05-27-2010, 12:57 PM
[quote name='laltaputu' date='19 May 2010 - 12:30 PM' timestamp='1274289728' post='106456']
chandragupta
since you have great insight on upcoming AGNI improvements i am asking you that
recently there was news from DRDO in making AGNI 2 canisterised
what i feel that it will we waste of resources and money to make current version of rail mobile AGNI 2 canisterised
so is they planing to make AGNI2AT of 4000+km range canisterised as it will make more value for efforts
can you please give any news about the AGNI2AT.
waiting eagerly for it to show up and supplement AGNI3TD.
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Sorry for my late reply,but unfortunately I cant have moving lips on Agni-2 series at this point of time.And this is what I told to another highly respected member on this forum.
But I can assure you that your wishes does got wings.Later is all depends on your understanding of my statement.
[quote name='ramana']One thing I don't understand is how does 5000km make an ICBM? Is the geographis vision only that far or is there something else like boost velocity for even this vehicle is sufficient for certain payloads? To me 5000Km equals ~3100 miles which is not much of an inter continental range.
However if its 1.5tonne AIII payload to 5000km it gives hopes.[/quote]
Sir ji, this is what called as chanakyan part of deceiving the enemy with fake numbers.
I know,many people who are more enthusiastic over this field always feel guilt over the range of Indian missiles and that too strategic ones.But it has happened to be that our notations are slightly different to those of western and chinese ones.
If one takes account of the A-III which can tharow a mass of 2500kg to more than 3500km,how can the stated number of A-V with 1500kg throw weight and 5000km satisfy the thumb rule? Nah it will never be the case.
A-V without any doubt is a clear entry level missile into the ICBM club.My theory dont simply go after the mass of the solid fuel and the mass of the rocket motor and casings.It is simply just beyond those visual and generic things.
Did is just said that A-V is an entry level? Yes and is likely to sport as many new and fictional technologies onboard.Again why folks are getting confused whether its an MIRVied or MARVied? Reason is, there are basically 2 variants of the same with official calling name being the same.(hidden aspects and project management is the key)
So Ramana,in a most theoritical scenario when adding a 3rd stage on top of a 3500km vehicle with 2500kg throw weight the range will be certainly far greater than the media reported and mis-interpreted 5000km.Let the Chinese be happy.this is like their own ICBMs with ranges of over 7000km and throw weights of only 700kg??
Whether its behind the screens or not,Indian missiles does need to have a lot of throw weight capability for any stated range.And If MIRV is taken into account, then definitely they need to for annihilating a nation in second strike.Because those in BARC screwed us a big time.They want us to do repetitive tests to prove the consistency of the carrier,but unfortunately they didnt proved their consistency..........( <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' /> <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' /> <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' /> <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' /> )In this kind of scenario,everyone is totally dependant on us which makes sense that we need to have a large throw weight capable missiles for any stated ranges.
And guess what? they are having overflowing supplies of fissile materials in their warehouses and labs,but not in a position to test the designed warheads and wants us to test our systems instead to prove reliability.... I donno how fair is this theory <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' />
But at the end of the day we are obeying our orders and making systems with throw weights of twice the stated while taking the whip <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mellow.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':mellow:' />
chandragupta
since you have great insight on upcoming AGNI improvements i am asking you that
recently there was news from DRDO in making AGNI 2 canisterised
what i feel that it will we waste of resources and money to make current version of rail mobile AGNI 2 canisterised
so is they planing to make AGNI2AT of 4000+km range canisterised as it will make more value for efforts
can you please give any news about the AGNI2AT.
waiting eagerly for it to show up and supplement AGNI3TD.
[/quote]
Sorry for my late reply,but unfortunately I cant have moving lips on Agni-2 series at this point of time.And this is what I told to another highly respected member on this forum.
But I can assure you that your wishes does got wings.Later is all depends on your understanding of my statement.
[quote name='ramana']One thing I don't understand is how does 5000km make an ICBM? Is the geographis vision only that far or is there something else like boost velocity for even this vehicle is sufficient for certain payloads? To me 5000Km equals ~3100 miles which is not much of an inter continental range.
However if its 1.5tonne AIII payload to 5000km it gives hopes.[/quote]
Sir ji, this is what called as chanakyan part of deceiving the enemy with fake numbers.
I know,many people who are more enthusiastic over this field always feel guilt over the range of Indian missiles and that too strategic ones.But it has happened to be that our notations are slightly different to those of western and chinese ones.
If one takes account of the A-III which can tharow a mass of 2500kg to more than 3500km,how can the stated number of A-V with 1500kg throw weight and 5000km satisfy the thumb rule? Nah it will never be the case.
A-V without any doubt is a clear entry level missile into the ICBM club.My theory dont simply go after the mass of the solid fuel and the mass of the rocket motor and casings.It is simply just beyond those visual and generic things.
Did is just said that A-V is an entry level? Yes and is likely to sport as many new and fictional technologies onboard.Again why folks are getting confused whether its an MIRVied or MARVied? Reason is, there are basically 2 variants of the same with official calling name being the same.(hidden aspects and project management is the key)
So Ramana,in a most theoritical scenario when adding a 3rd stage on top of a 3500km vehicle with 2500kg throw weight the range will be certainly far greater than the media reported and mis-interpreted 5000km.Let the Chinese be happy.this is like their own ICBMs with ranges of over 7000km and throw weights of only 700kg??
Whether its behind the screens or not,Indian missiles does need to have a lot of throw weight capability for any stated range.And If MIRV is taken into account, then definitely they need to for annihilating a nation in second strike.Because those in BARC screwed us a big time.They want us to do repetitive tests to prove the consistency of the carrier,but unfortunately they didnt proved their consistency..........( <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' /> <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' /> <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' /> <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' /> )In this kind of scenario,everyone is totally dependant on us which makes sense that we need to have a large throw weight capable missiles for any stated ranges.
And guess what? they are having overflowing supplies of fissile materials in their warehouses and labs,but not in a position to test the designed warheads and wants us to test our systems instead to prove reliability.... I donno how fair is this theory <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' /> But at the end of the day we are obeying our orders and making systems with throw weights of twice the stated while taking the whip <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mellow.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':mellow:' />