Vedanta - Discussion Forum I (introductory))

[Sunder]

<!--QuoteBegin-gangajal+Feb 15 2005, 11:55 PM-->QUOTE(gangajal @ Feb 15 2005, 11:55 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> Visistadvaita says Brahman could mean Narayana, Jiva or Jagat. Since here the text is talking about the creation of the dream objects, and it is well known that neither Jiva or Jagat can create anything, that implies that Narayana or Isvar has created the dream objects. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The scripture declares that both Jiva and Isvara are created by the Cosmic Power, called Maya. From the time there was the Primeval Ideation of the Supreme Being, till the animation of every diversified thing in this world by the Consciousness of this Being, it is to be regarded as Isvara-srishti (God's creation). From the time the waking state commenced till the freedom of the is achieved finally, it is Jiva-srishti (individual imagination). things as they are in themselves are Isvara-srishti, and things invested with the psychological reactions of the various individuals are Jiva-srishti. Kutastha, however, is unattached, and does not undergo increase or decrease at any time. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Both of us agree on this. Still the reality of Ishwara is not clear as an entity outside Brahman.