And about the following:
[quote name='G.Subramaniam' date='22 June 2010 - 07:48 AM' timestamp='1277172640' post='107116']The film also glosses over some of the distinctions between the library and museum of Alexandria, founded in the third century B.C., and what befell them afterward. Roman-era chronicles, as well as later works, suggest that at least part of the library was destroyed when Julius Caesar invaded Egypt in 48 B.C., and that Christians were responsible only [color="#800080"](!!!!)[/color] for the damage done in Hypatiaââ¬â¢s time to a secondary ââ¬Ådaughter library,ââ¬Â which may also have been attacked by Muslim conquerors in the seventh century A.D.[/quote]Bij Donar, look at their lying (deception by misleading)! It's amazing how brazen they are.
People would already know, but still - in case someone who read the article in G Sub's post doesn't:
1. About the Alexandrian Library.
From the timeline "Summarised from Vlasis Rassias' book "DEMOLISH THEM..", published in Greek, Athens 2000 (2nd edition)":
http://www.ysee.gr/index-eng.php?type=en...ovestories
Now what are they saying (in very clear English) has happened? In 391, christos demolished the Temple of Serapis in Alexandria and desecrate its Images AND burnt its library. That's just one of those of Alexandria. But that's not all the christos=christoterrorists did.
But there's more, as confessed by early christios and confirmed by the later Gibbon:
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/hypatia.html
So, to remind oneself, where did Hypatia fit in all of this? Well, she was murdered some years afterwards - in 415 - by another christomaniac (I mean: True Christian, On Fire For non-existent Jeebus): bishop Cyril of Alexandria, nephew and successor of bishop True Christian Theophilus who was already seen above:
There's a bit more on Hypatia at http://freetruth.50webs.org/A1.htm in the section "Alexandria: its temples, its Great Library and Hypatia".
The section that ends with:
(One notes that Foote and Wheeler have aptly titled their book Crimes of christianism, instead of excusing the inexcusable "christianism".)
http://www.bandoli.no/tolerance.htm
2. As already mentioned in the above quoteblock, the christoterrorists demolished many GR libraries. Practically ALL the libraries of GR (the islamaniacs got the last one).
E.g. here's the comparatively 'benign' christian (i.e. christoterrorist) Emperor Jovian, who succeeded the assassinated Emperor - and Hero of Hellenismos and ultimately all heathenism - Julian:
Remember that there were a great many more libraries in GR - all burnt down in time by christists. Christists today, having become cornered on what christianism did to Alexandria's Libraries, have resorted to pretending that Alexandria's lib was the only "one" - conveying this convenient myopic view of the issue, they adjust the angle of their apologetics/excuses for christianism to dealing with just this one case. It's akin to how christoislamaniacs make up lie after lie to deny what happened to the Kovil at Ayodhya, by systematically ignoring, hence hiding, how islamania (and christomania) destroyed a great many Hindu and other Dharmic Temples all over India.
The fact is, what befell Alexandria's library was part of a christist pattern that had started earlier and would continue after. (Just like the Kovil/Mandiram at Ayodhya and Somnath was just one in thousands of Hindu Temples destroyed by the islamaniacs. It is an instance.)
E.g. other libraries the christists famously burnt down include not just the one in Antioch that the christian emperor Jovian ordered burnt, but the Julian Library. So the burning of GR libraries continued past the 4th century into the 6th at least:
http://freetruth.50webs.org/C2a.htm and http://freetruth.50webs.org/C2b.htm tells not about a 'holy' bishop like Theophilus, or a sainted church father like bishop Cyril, but of a famous pope:
The Hellenistic GrecoRomans liked and valued books (which is why their libraries and museums were attached to Temples/their Gods). Of course, as people know, the Hellenes at least weren't into the pretty-only-in-theory idea of free speech (=in practice always "Freedom To Christolie, but Heathens Shut Up". Blasphemy laws are always against non-christoislamics and after that against heretics. Such 'laws' made by secularism are at the expense of heathenism only while it is in the majority. When christoislamism gains power, Free Speech sentiments vanish into thin air). While Celts didn't write down their stuff, and early Persians apparently disapproved of writing *because* lies are long-lived, Romans for example didn't like junk works and so didn't remotely approve of all books blindly. They weren't all for works that disparaged their Gods either (in English need to use the term "blasphemy" again, but the distinction is that the GrecoRomans disproved of lies against their True Gods. Whereas blasphemy in christoislamism is a charge directed against revealing facts about christoislamism's non-existent nasty entity jeebusjehovallah. Note the massive distinction - it's one that heathens automatically make). And, as always, that incomparable Julian was X steps ahead: as I would no doubt have stated several times, even in that ancient age he was against works-that-pretended-to-be-history-but-were-fiction-and-didn't-say-they-were-fiction. I.e. he was after the Gospels in particular, since such works were at the root of such problems: historical fictions which used actual settings to peddle the lies they contained among the gullibles who couldn't/didn't know to sift the truth from the delusional makebelieve they were being sold. So very different from the sort of people today, who, without thinking through implications (no independent thought), blindly support frequently-peddled simplistic (but popular!) notions like "Freedom To Speech/Screech": i.e. Freedom To Lie, which is the situation whereby lies are essentially automatically given the same weighted value as truth, since there's no mandate that goes with the Free Speech thing insisting that people write disclaimers indicating exactly what is just fiction (i.e. a lie) or mere supposition (i.e. opinion) vs what is verifiable truth (i.e. fact).
[quote name='G.Subramaniam' date='22 June 2010 - 07:48 AM' timestamp='1277172640' post='107116']The film also glosses over some of the distinctions between the library and museum of Alexandria, founded in the third century B.C., and what befell them afterward. Roman-era chronicles, as well as later works, suggest that at least part of the library was destroyed when Julius Caesar invaded Egypt in 48 B.C., and that Christians were responsible only [color="#800080"](!!!!)[/color] for the damage done in Hypatiaââ¬â¢s time to a secondary ââ¬Ådaughter library,ââ¬Â which may also have been attacked by Muslim conquerors in the seventh century A.D.[/quote]Bij Donar, look at their lying (deception by misleading)! It's amazing how brazen they are.
People would already know, but still - in case someone who read the article in G Sub's post doesn't:
1. About the Alexandrian Library.
From the timeline "Summarised from Vlasis Rassias' book "DEMOLISH THEM..", published in Greek, Athens 2000 (2nd edition)":
http://www.ysee.gr/index-eng.php?type=en...ovestories
Quote:391
On 24th February, a new edict of Theodosius prohibits not only visits to Pagan Temples but also looking at vandalised statues. New heavy persecutions all around the Empire. In Alexandria, Egypt, the Gentiles, led by the philosopher Olympius, revolt and after some street fights, finally lock themselves inside the fortified Temple of God Serapis (The Serapeion). After a violent siege, the christians occupy the building, demolish it, [color="#0000FF"]burn its famous Library[/color] and profane the cult images.
Now what are they saying (in very clear English) has happened? In 391, christos demolished the Temple of Serapis in Alexandria and desecrate its Images AND burnt its library. That's just one of those of Alexandria. But that's not all the christos=christoterrorists did.
But there's more, as confessed by early christios and confirmed by the later Gibbon:
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/hypatia.html
Quote:The Library of Alexandria
There were many great collections of books in the ancient world. Most were open to any scholar from anywhere in the world. None of them survived the Christian Dark Age.
The most famous, of course, was the Library at Alexandria. [color="#0000FF"]In fact, there were at least three different libraries coexisting in the city.[/color]
The main or [color="#0000FF"]'Royal Library'[/color] was in the Brucchium (northeast sector of the city), close to the palace grounds and forming [color="#0000FF"]part of the Museum, a 'temple'[/color] dedicated to the nine Muses (in the style of Plato's Academy, Aristotle's Lyceum, Zeno's Stoa and the school of Epicurus). The library was surrounded by courtyards, gardens, and a zoo. The gathering of books and scrolls had begun with Ptolemy I Soter (304 - 284 BC) using the Greek scholar/politico Demetrius as his agent. Works were translated into Greek, most famously the Septuagint ââ¬â Jewish scripture ââ¬â supposedly the labour 72 rabbis. (Letter of Aristeas, 9 -10 (180 -145 BC) Ptolemy's ambition had been to possess all known world literature.
Scholars ââ¬â perhaps as many as a 100 ââ¬â were invited to residency at the Museum and to analyse critically observations and deductions made in mathematics, medicine, astronomy, and geometry. They were fed and funded initially by the royal family, and later, during the Roman period, by public money. Most of the western world's discoveries were recorded and debated there for the next 500 years.
The evidence of Plutarch, Gellius and Seneca strongly indicates the Royal Library had suffered considerable fire damage at the time of Julius Caesar's expedition when Caesar torched the fleet of Cleopatra's brother and the fire spread to the harbour area.
[color="#800080"](Be that as it may, christists of the 4th century burnt it. So no need for NYT obfuscations.) [/color]
Plutarch informs us that Mark Anthony, making good the loss, gave Cleopatra the entire contents - some 200,000 rolls - of the rival Pergamon library as a gift.
A 'daughter Library' was located in the nearby temple of Serapis in the south-western quarter (Epiphanius of Cyprus (c. 402 AD) Weights and Measures). The Serapeum ââ¬â in honour of the new god ââ¬â had begun with Ptolemy II Philadelphus and was completed by his son.
The Emperor Claudius, in the mid-1st century, set up the Claudian Library to be a centre for the study of history. Hadrian, following a visit to Alexandria in 130, restored the city and founded a new library in the Caesareum. Sophists, such as Dionysius of Miletus and Polemon of Laodikeia, where attracted to the city in what was a second century revival of Alexandrian scholarship. This brief flowering ended with the "rapine and cruelty" which Caracalla visited upon the eastern provinces early in the third century.
We may never know precisely the fate of reputedly 400 - 700,000 priceless scrolls. The civil commotions of the 260s and 270s, when much of the city was damaged, would not have been happy days for the libraries.The cutting off of imperial revenue by 4th century Christian Emperors sent the [color="#0000FF"]Museum[/color] into terminal decline. Writing early in the 5th century, Orosius, Christian author of History against the Pagans, admitted fellow Christians had plundered temples and emptied book chests. [color="#0000FF"]Gibbon was in no doubt:[/color]
"The valuable library of Alexandria was pillaged or destroyed; and near twenty years afterwards, the appearance of the empty shelves excited the regret and indignation of every spectator whose mind was not totally darkened by religious prejudice." (Chapter 28).
[color="#800080"](^ From British historian Edward Gibbon's Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire.
The intro to the work at http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/gibbon/index.htm states:
"Gibbon was one of the leading figures of the Enlightenment, and his unvarnished take on the early Church has led to the book being banned sporadically. The Decline and Fall has had a massive cultural impact, including being an inspiration for Isaac Asimov's Foundation series."
Why do people think it was banned? Same reason the church is hyper edgy about even this christist apologetical movie.)[/color]
[color="#0000FF"]Gibbon placed the blame squarely at the door of Theophilus.[/color] That Bishop Theophilus had led the destruction of pagan temples, most famously the [color="#0000FF"]Serapeum[/color], is certain. Socrates Scholasticus reports [color="#800080"](admits!)[/color] the following:
"Demolition of the Idolatrous Temples at Alexandria, and the Consequent Conflict between the Pagans and Christians.
At the solicitation of Theophilus bishop of Alexandria the emperor issued an order at this time for the demolition of the heathen temples in that city; commanding also that it should be put in execution under the direction of Theophilus.
Seizing this opportunity, Theophilus exerted himself to the utmost ... he caused the Mithreum to be cleaned out... Then he destroyed the Serapeum... and he had the phalli of Priapus carried through the midst of the forum. ... the heathen temples... were therefore razed to the ground, and the images of their gods molten into pots and other convenient utensils for the use of the Alexandrian church ... "
It may well be that that the noble Hypatia was the 'last member of the Library of Alexandria.'
So, to remind oneself, where did Hypatia fit in all of this? Well, she was murdered some years afterwards - in 415 - by another christomaniac (I mean: True Christian, On Fire For non-existent Jeebus): bishop Cyril of Alexandria, nephew and successor of bishop True Christian Theophilus who was already seen above:
Quote:415By the way, remember that Bishop Cyril was sainted: it's *Santa* Cyril <- so that gives one an additional appreciation of the degree to which the Roman church is hyper-uneasy about even this movie. (Wasn't Cyril a Church Father to boot? If so, would makes him even more extra important.) I'm going to just print my long-standing assumption that there's only one famous Bishop Cyril in all the 4th/early 5th century story: the same guy who tried his Most Ultimate Bestest christist apologetics on (as he admitted) only the easiest of points raised by the earlier Emperor Julian in said Emperor's work which debunked christianism.
In Alexandria, Egypt, the mob urged by the bishop Cyrillus, attacks a few days before the judaeo-christian Pascha (Pesach-Easter) and hacks to pieces the famous and beautiful philosopher Hypatia. Pieces of her body are paraded by the christian mob through the streets of Alexandria, and are finally burned together with her books in a place called Cynaron. On 30th August, new persecutions start against all the Pagan priests of North Africa, who end their lives either crucified or burned alive.
There's a bit more on Hypatia at http://freetruth.50webs.org/A1.htm in the section "Alexandria: its temples, its Great Library and Hypatia".
The section that ends with:
Quote:After Hypatia's murder the scholars left en masse and Alexandria became steadily less stable. It was overrun by those monks who evolved into the Copts and who were opposed to scientific and classical knowledge. Some time later, Alexandria revolted against Constantinople. It splintered into two factions contending between two Patriarchs, and eventually Alexander's city fell to Moslem conquerors who, of like mind to their Christian predecessors, had the last of the library burned in 686 CE - as fuel in the bath-houses.So islamaniacs destroyed the last library of ancient GR (or whatever remained of it at the time), but christos had completely destroyed all the other ones.
See more: Chapter II - Athanasius to Hypatia from Crimes of Christianity by G W Foote and J M Wheeler
(One notes that Foote and Wheeler have aptly titled their book Crimes of christianism, instead of excusing the inexcusable "christianism".)
http://www.bandoli.no/tolerance.htm
Quote:With pious enthusiasm the ancient pagan temples, works of art and libraries (note the plural) were destroyed, and trampled by rampant Christians in a frenzied religious demolition craze. Under the command of bishops and abbots Christian monks were often the most active. The Greek called them ââ¬Åswinish black-clothsââ¬Â, because ââ¬Åthey looked like men but lived like pigsââ¬Â. A contemporary writer tells us ââ¬Åarmed with clubs or stones and swords they ran to the temples, some without these weapons only with their bare hands and feetââ¬Â (Libanios ââ¬ÅPro templesââ¬Â 389 AD). As soon as they had destroyed one temple, they dashed away to the next. They toppled over walls, smashed idols, statues and art-objects and altars, and stole the temples wealth for themselves.
Bishop Theophilius of Alexandria participated personally in levelling pagan temples and altars. This busy bishop is personally credited with destroying a huge statue of Sarapis with an axe in 391 AD, a statue made by the great Athenian artist Bryaxis. The Christian demolition craze destroyed a huge parts of antiquityââ¬â¢s religious artworks and written texts. Numerous priests and bishops made a name and a career for themselves as temple-destroyers. A bishop named Marcellus distinguished himself in this area, he demolished among other things the big Zeus temple in Apameia. Among the ravaging Christians it soon became popular to gather souvenirs and trophies from the holy pagan places they levelled. Bishop Theophilius organised boisterous mocking-processions with these trophies through the streets of Alexandria.
2. As already mentioned in the above quoteblock, the christoterrorists demolished many GR libraries. Practically ALL the libraries of GR (the islamaniacs got the last one).
E.g. here's the comparatively 'benign' christian (i.e. christoterrorist) Emperor Jovian, who succeeded the assassinated Emperor - and Hero of Hellenismos and ultimately all heathenism - Julian:
Quote:364See, that's before bishop Theophilus destroyed the Alexandrian Grand Library/ies. And before Cyril's christomob massacred Hypatia.
Emperor Flavius Jovianus orders the burning of the Library of Antioch. An Imperial edict (11th September) [color="#0000FF"]orders the death penalty for all Gentiles that worship their ancestral Gods or practice Divination[/color] ("sileat omnibus perpetuo divinandi uriositas"). Three different edicts (4th February, 9th September, 23rd December) order the confiscation of all properties of Pagan Temples and the death penalty for participation in Pagan rituals, even private ones.
Remember that there were a great many more libraries in GR - all burnt down in time by christists. Christists today, having become cornered on what christianism did to Alexandria's Libraries, have resorted to pretending that Alexandria's lib was the only "one" - conveying this convenient myopic view of the issue, they adjust the angle of their apologetics/excuses for christianism to dealing with just this one case. It's akin to how christoislamaniacs make up lie after lie to deny what happened to the Kovil at Ayodhya, by systematically ignoring, hence hiding, how islamania (and christomania) destroyed a great many Hindu and other Dharmic Temples all over India.
The fact is, what befell Alexandria's library was part of a christist pattern that had started earlier and would continue after. (Just like the Kovil/Mandiram at Ayodhya and Somnath was just one in thousands of Hindu Temples destroyed by the islamaniacs. It is an instance.)
E.g. other libraries the christists famously burnt down include not just the one in Antioch that the christian emperor Jovian ordered burnt, but the Julian Library. So the burning of GR libraries continued past the 4th century into the 6th at least:
http://freetruth.50webs.org/C2a.htm and http://freetruth.50webs.org/C2b.htm tells not about a 'holy' bishop like Theophilus, or a sainted church father like bishop Cyril, but of a famous pope:
Quote:Gregory I 590-604 Greatest slave owner of his century, also burnt libraries, and was the first Pope to sell relicsAnd, as has been mentioned often enough, the works by the ex-catholic-turned-atheist McCabe were on the Catholic Church's list of forbidden books (i.e. the papist sheep weren't allowed to read them).
After Gregory's death there was a tradition in the Church, reproduced in the "Polycraticus" (ii, 26) of John Salisbury, that the Pope had burned the old Roman libraries which still remained on the Capitoline and the Palatine Hills. I have little doubt that the tradition is correct.
... The Julian library at Rome (which, with others, the Pope is said to have burned) contained one hundred and twenty thousand books.
-- The Story Of Religious Controversy, by [color="#800080"](encyclopaedic brain!)[/color] Joseph McCabe, historian and former Franciscan monk
The Hellenistic GrecoRomans liked and valued books (which is why their libraries and museums were attached to Temples/their Gods). Of course, as people know, the Hellenes at least weren't into the pretty-only-in-theory idea of free speech (=in practice always "Freedom To Christolie, but Heathens Shut Up". Blasphemy laws are always against non-christoislamics and after that against heretics. Such 'laws' made by secularism are at the expense of heathenism only while it is in the majority. When christoislamism gains power, Free Speech sentiments vanish into thin air). While Celts didn't write down their stuff, and early Persians apparently disapproved of writing *because* lies are long-lived, Romans for example didn't like junk works and so didn't remotely approve of all books blindly. They weren't all for works that disparaged their Gods either (in English need to use the term "blasphemy" again, but the distinction is that the GrecoRomans disproved of lies against their True Gods. Whereas blasphemy in christoislamism is a charge directed against revealing facts about christoislamism's non-existent nasty entity jeebusjehovallah. Note the massive distinction - it's one that heathens automatically make). And, as always, that incomparable Julian was X steps ahead: as I would no doubt have stated several times, even in that ancient age he was against works-that-pretended-to-be-history-but-were-fiction-and-didn't-say-they-were-fiction. I.e. he was after the Gospels in particular, since such works were at the root of such problems: historical fictions which used actual settings to peddle the lies they contained among the gullibles who couldn't/didn't know to sift the truth from the delusional makebelieve they were being sold. So very different from the sort of people today, who, without thinking through implications (no independent thought), blindly support frequently-peddled simplistic (but popular!) notions like "Freedom To Speech/Screech": i.e. Freedom To Lie, which is the situation whereby lies are essentially automatically given the same weighted value as truth, since there's no mandate that goes with the Free Speech thing insisting that people write disclaimers indicating exactly what is just fiction (i.e. a lie) or mere supposition (i.e. opinion) vs what is verifiable truth (i.e. fact).
Death to traitors.

