07-17-2010, 12:28 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-17-2010, 12:30 PM by HareKrishna.)
[quote name='Husky' date='11 July 2010 - 10:51 AM' timestamp='1278825185' post='107399']
Just going to paste stuff from that link:
This again:
Yet it seems to have remained at a notion - when it came to leaving other legitimate religions alone at any rate.
Related to #27 or #28 - about this ridiculous segment:
(a) Enough with reducing Hindu religion to "philosophy" - when the latter refers to a *part* of Hindu religion.
Like the west did in the late 20th century, today's armchair Indians like to imagine that "philosophy" is the culmination of religion. But it is not. That is not what attracts people to religion either. (Besides, "philosophising" comes naturally to all heathens and requires no exertion.)
Religion is ever popular because the unconverted, unsubverted laity *like* their ancestral Gods. Christianism and the post-christian west groping for self-identity (and thus latching onto 'reconstructionisms of polytheisms') realise this. Even the fundamentally non-theistic Buddhism has had to reconcile with this.
But modern Indoos simply can't fathom it.
(b.) There is nothing "dumb" about the Chinese or their civilisation or their indigenous systems of thought. E.g. Daoist thought says things that Vedanta also says. It independently came to some of the same conclusions. <- Not hard to come upon (Hindus and Taoists weren't the only ones, one could point out at least one other non-'IE' religio-tradition with independently-derived, yet similar, understanding). Any later points of contact with this aspect of Hindu Dharma would have merely confirmed it for them.
People who know nothing about Daoism really should stop displaying their ignorance. I'm not claiming I "know" Daoism, I'm just saying that they *obviously* don't.
(c.) "Why did the Chinese not follow Hinduism but follow Buddhism."
The question by the Thai is all wrong.
Buddhism proliferated in far E and SE Asia precisely because Hindu Dharma had unintentionally paved the way: as I already stated, Buddhism had learned to spread atop a Hindu base, which is why Buddhism automatically used it again.
Previously - before Buddhism - Hindu religion (Hindu Gods and the views of them) had been easily incorporated into the local religions by these other Asians precisely because they are attracted to (their own, ancestral) Gods in a similar manner. <- The way Hellenismos spread easily in the non-GrecoRoman regions of the Mediterranean and in the ME for the same reasons.
(d) One more thing, but it is not trivial:
Philosophy is particularly a GrecoRoman religious concept belonging to Hellenismos. There are intentions to reclaim this religiously-important word from the way English and other christianised languages have abused the word by generalizing/universalizing it, and restore its (true) Hellenistic meaning. Best of luck to them.
In any case, access to the word 'philosophy' should certainly be denied to all the uppity people - incl. Indoos - who deny Gods or else sideline the Gods by making 'philosophy' into a major show and the Gods themselves into a minor one. Because Philosophy is intimately associated with the Gods of l'Olympe, from whom it derived. (Note how I didn't make the rules.)
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a-philosophy is the best part in religion.The whole is made by philosophy(theory)+practice+artistic value.They go together .Common people is true ,do not understand the
intricacies of philosophy and they are satisfied whit watered down versions of it.You need a high iq to be fully philosophical.
b-all major chinese schools are preocupied whit this life only ,unlike soul-saving Vedanta.
These is the reason that buddhism have especially an after-life place in the chinese religion.It didnt have competition from the chinese school in this regard so it became almost a monopoly in soul-saving chinese souls.Same whit shinto(this-life religion)-buddhist Japanese religion.
c-all mongol race was more attracted to buddhism because hinduism is in general more sentimental then buddhism,And mongol race is not as much as sentimental as indians.Evene mahayana become less devotional in china(it become more zen and less devotional).While south east asian mongols become hinayana non-devotional buddhists.
only tantra has similar success as buddhism in the mongol world.
d-maybe it was first a greek word but later become universal.Its like saying that physics is only a greek science because the word is greek.So we should drove out the science from schools because is only a greek stuff.
Beside,some greek philosopher were atheistic so philosophy dont belong only to hellenistic religion.
Just going to paste stuff from that link:
This again:
Yet it seems to have remained at a notion - when it came to leaving other legitimate religions alone at any rate.
Related to #27 or #28 - about this ridiculous segment:
(a) Enough with reducing Hindu religion to "philosophy" - when the latter refers to a *part* of Hindu religion.
Like the west did in the late 20th century, today's armchair Indians like to imagine that "philosophy" is the culmination of religion. But it is not. That is not what attracts people to religion either. (Besides, "philosophising" comes naturally to all heathens and requires no exertion.)
Religion is ever popular because the unconverted, unsubverted laity *like* their ancestral Gods. Christianism and the post-christian west groping for self-identity (and thus latching onto 'reconstructionisms of polytheisms') realise this. Even the fundamentally non-theistic Buddhism has had to reconcile with this.
But modern Indoos simply can't fathom it.
(b.) There is nothing "dumb" about the Chinese or their civilisation or their indigenous systems of thought. E.g. Daoist thought says things that Vedanta also says. It independently came to some of the same conclusions. <- Not hard to come upon (Hindus and Taoists weren't the only ones, one could point out at least one other non-'IE' religio-tradition with independently-derived, yet similar, understanding). Any later points of contact with this aspect of Hindu Dharma would have merely confirmed it for them.
People who know nothing about Daoism really should stop displaying their ignorance. I'm not claiming I "know" Daoism, I'm just saying that they *obviously* don't.
(c.) "Why did the Chinese not follow Hinduism but follow Buddhism."
The question by the Thai is all wrong.
Buddhism proliferated in far E and SE Asia precisely because Hindu Dharma had unintentionally paved the way: as I already stated, Buddhism had learned to spread atop a Hindu base, which is why Buddhism automatically used it again.
Previously - before Buddhism - Hindu religion (Hindu Gods and the views of them) had been easily incorporated into the local religions by these other Asians precisely because they are attracted to (their own, ancestral) Gods in a similar manner. <- The way Hellenismos spread easily in the non-GrecoRoman regions of the Mediterranean and in the ME for the same reasons.
(d) One more thing, but it is not trivial:
Philosophy is particularly a GrecoRoman religious concept belonging to Hellenismos. There are intentions to reclaim this religiously-important word from the way English and other christianised languages have abused the word by generalizing/universalizing it, and restore its (true) Hellenistic meaning. Best of luck to them.
In any case, access to the word 'philosophy' should certainly be denied to all the uppity people - incl. Indoos - who deny Gods or else sideline the Gods by making 'philosophy' into a major show and the Gods themselves into a minor one. Because Philosophy is intimately associated with the Gods of l'Olympe, from whom it derived. (Note how I didn't make the rules.)
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a-philosophy is the best part in religion.The whole is made by philosophy(theory)+practice+artistic value.They go together .Common people is true ,do not understand the
intricacies of philosophy and they are satisfied whit watered down versions of it.You need a high iq to be fully philosophical.
b-all major chinese schools are preocupied whit this life only ,unlike soul-saving Vedanta.
These is the reason that buddhism have especially an after-life place in the chinese religion.It didnt have competition from the chinese school in this regard so it became almost a monopoly in soul-saving chinese souls.Same whit shinto(this-life religion)-buddhist Japanese religion.
c-all mongol race was more attracted to buddhism because hinduism is in general more sentimental then buddhism,And mongol race is not as much as sentimental as indians.Evene mahayana become less devotional in china(it become more zen and less devotional).While south east asian mongols become hinayana non-devotional buddhists.
only tantra has similar success as buddhism in the mongol world.
d-maybe it was first a greek word but later become universal.Its like saying that physics is only a greek science because the word is greek.So we should drove out the science from schools because is only a greek stuff.
Beside,some greek philosopher were atheistic so philosophy dont belong only to hellenistic religion.