07-18-2010, 07:57 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-18-2010, 08:02 PM by HareKrishna.)
[quote name='Husky' date='18 July 2010 - 12:40 PM' timestamp='1279436542' post='107508']
e) You know nothing about the Hindu religion. You just do some westernised brand of Indian religion.
Your two or 3 years (or were it even decades) of dabbling in ISKCON doesn't make you an expert on Hindu religion. And it certainly gives you no right to presume as you do. You keep playing the put-upon ISKCONite and declaring This and That from behind the safety you think your assumed label/affiliation buys you. But I am quite unaffected: in this one respect I am entirely unlike other modern Hindus, in that I'm not remotely interested in gaining or retaining western converts and their mostly passing interest in 'Hinduism'. Privately, I wait for them to get bored and find something else to do, as fortunately so many do. (Goes without saying that I have no problem with people of western origin who genuinely find their home to be in Hindu religion. But they are very different and do not concern us here.)
You really ought to stop your presumption in lecturing Hindus about our own religion, it got tiresome the very first time you tried it. You, and similar persons, sound like all those western people dabbling in Taoism (they get their knowledge of "Taoism" by reading books, of course, or from joining overseas orgs) who then ignorantly and arrogantly lecture Taoists and the world that "Taoism doesn't actually have Gods". Fortunately, the traditional Taoists expressly disregard them and their opinionations.
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If you think that all i know about hinduism came from iskcon books then you dont know me at all mate.And you dont know my points of disagreement and critics that i bring to iskcon in my articles.Beside guru power abuse and brahmin imitation ritual among other i also was critical on their desire to affiliate whit christians(some iskconites believe that they are christians or even fulfilled christians despite incompatibility) .They bring a Purana about a guy call Isa(Jesus) which is fine for me,an least the gnostic Jesus seems a better guy then the biblical Jesus.But today christians are not gnostics are they?And also i show it that Chaitanya has some different views comparative whit iskcon today.
We have a common point here so i also critic the westerners which convert to hinduism(or some unsuccessful copy of it)just because is cool or trendy .I support such temporary passion for hinduism an least for the reason that such persons will be less anti-hindu in the future or will remove some christo-islamic programing from their mind.
You hope that westerners will get bored of hindu practices but sadly so does many hindus.If a feel comfortable whit hindu decorations ,or music ,or religion,or methods of speculation dont blame me.
Anyway,i believe that India in 2050,if muslims wouldn't destroy the world whit nuclear weapons until then,will look just like a western country,whit western dress,western buildings and western everything else.The indian dress will be seen only in museums or some old-fashioned festivals.Only the skin color will make a difference.
As im aggressive,not defensive ,i try to impose(by market laws of course) the tropical colors and decorations in anything ,from dress to buildings.It will be an injustice if the peoples who like this tropical stuff will not have their places ,being suffocated by western minimalisation of all other styles.
Dont underestimate my efforts to know the hindu believes as best as possible.I search carefully,trying to go to the source,viewing the pro and contras. And hindus dont lecture themselves and also im not going to, except to some points that could ruin my believes .
And i dont have your bias against learning from books.You can find in the books things that are not readily visible even for a old practitioner.An only from books you know the hindu practices that are distant from your native region.Dont tell me that you know what happens in Bengal or Himachal .You know mostly about immediate region ,the rest you know from tv or temporary visits.
e) You know nothing about the Hindu religion. You just do some westernised brand of Indian religion.
Your two or 3 years (or were it even decades) of dabbling in ISKCON doesn't make you an expert on Hindu religion. And it certainly gives you no right to presume as you do. You keep playing the put-upon ISKCONite and declaring This and That from behind the safety you think your assumed label/affiliation buys you. But I am quite unaffected: in this one respect I am entirely unlike other modern Hindus, in that I'm not remotely interested in gaining or retaining western converts and their mostly passing interest in 'Hinduism'. Privately, I wait for them to get bored and find something else to do, as fortunately so many do. (Goes without saying that I have no problem with people of western origin who genuinely find their home to be in Hindu religion. But they are very different and do not concern us here.)
You really ought to stop your presumption in lecturing Hindus about our own religion, it got tiresome the very first time you tried it. You, and similar persons, sound like all those western people dabbling in Taoism (they get their knowledge of "Taoism" by reading books, of course, or from joining overseas orgs) who then ignorantly and arrogantly lecture Taoists and the world that "Taoism doesn't actually have Gods". Fortunately, the traditional Taoists expressly disregard them and their opinionations.
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If you think that all i know about hinduism came from iskcon books then you dont know me at all mate.And you dont know my points of disagreement and critics that i bring to iskcon in my articles.Beside guru power abuse and brahmin imitation ritual among other i also was critical on their desire to affiliate whit christians(some iskconites believe that they are christians or even fulfilled christians despite incompatibility) .They bring a Purana about a guy call Isa(Jesus) which is fine for me,an least the gnostic Jesus seems a better guy then the biblical Jesus.But today christians are not gnostics are they?And also i show it that Chaitanya has some different views comparative whit iskcon today.
We have a common point here so i also critic the westerners which convert to hinduism(or some unsuccessful copy of it)just because is cool or trendy .I support such temporary passion for hinduism an least for the reason that such persons will be less anti-hindu in the future or will remove some christo-islamic programing from their mind.
You hope that westerners will get bored of hindu practices but sadly so does many hindus.If a feel comfortable whit hindu decorations ,or music ,or religion,or methods of speculation dont blame me.
Anyway,i believe that India in 2050,if muslims wouldn't destroy the world whit nuclear weapons until then,will look just like a western country,whit western dress,western buildings and western everything else.The indian dress will be seen only in museums or some old-fashioned festivals.Only the skin color will make a difference.
As im aggressive,not defensive ,i try to impose(by market laws of course) the tropical colors and decorations in anything ,from dress to buildings.It will be an injustice if the peoples who like this tropical stuff will not have their places ,being suffocated by western minimalisation of all other styles.
Dont underestimate my efforts to know the hindu believes as best as possible.I search carefully,trying to go to the source,viewing the pro and contras. And hindus dont lecture themselves and also im not going to, except to some points that could ruin my believes .
And i dont have your bias against learning from books.You can find in the books things that are not readily visible even for a old practitioner.An only from books you know the hindu practices that are distant from your native region.Dont tell me that you know what happens in Bengal or Himachal .You know mostly about immediate region ,the rest you know from tv or temporary visits.