07-20-2010, 12:46 AM
[quote name='Husky' date='19 July 2010 - 08:31 PM' timestamp='1279551209' post='107523']
You overlook the literal way in which I implied its misuse:
"Veda literally means knowledge. Vedaanta means end of knowledge. Conclusion: Vedanta is universal. <insert random religion here, like the genocidal one known for appropriating and inculturation> is Vedaanta." (No it's NOT.)
To Hindus, it stands uncontested that the Vedam is Knowledge. And it refers to that something particular: The Vedam.
But you never know what English may do. A "guru" is now any kind of expert teacher and a pundit any kind of alleged expert, an avatar ... etc.
Philosophia is Love For Wisdom, yes. But it is the Hellenes' name for something particular, not anything in general. That is, they weren't thinking of how the world would take it literally hence see it as universal, when they derived their word that seemed appropriate to them to refer to their ... Philosophy. It is *their* Wisdom they are referring to, and the energetic enthusiastic pursuit and practice of it (which could include rituals, such as in Theurgy).
But there's really no use arguing with me. Can read for yourself how the Hellenes considered it. (From memory, R. Smith in his work on Julian also indicates a few things on how Julian and others regarded this.)
It was IIRC Apollo who was - among other things - traditionally considered the God of Philosophy, who originated it, and brought it to man. (As an aside, I think I recall coming across how at times Wisdom was considered to be embodied - in a Goddess, Sophia. Versus Athena presiding over Wisdom.)
But why bring it up? I hope it's not to play the Injured Victim/Persecution Syndrome using some 6 degrees of separation via ISKCON. Because then I would win at this absurdly childish game: at least *I* have some actual Shri Vaishnava ancestry (an ancestor from several centuries back, the ancientry makes it relevant to the situ).
What's with the melodrama? (Your drastic uses of "despise", "hate", "before jumping on my head"... <- Uh, do people often jump on your head that you should anticipate such behaviour from a stranger?)
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Its too late to reverse the philosophy meme.But universal Vedanta meme is not established yet so you have a chance there to change the trend.Yes,today we can talk about guru of science,the guru of chemistry .But probably is a good development of the word guru meme.Its has some positive values.
Theurgy,that's a word that is use often in the church.Who robbed who here.
Nobody play victimization card,not me anyway.I just interpret the facts according to my mental capacities.
Jumping on head its an expression,but you know that.I like drama and extreme emotional states and words.Call me korean on this.
In rest i agree.
You overlook the literal way in which I implied its misuse:
"Veda literally means knowledge. Vedaanta means end of knowledge. Conclusion: Vedanta is universal. <insert random religion here, like the genocidal one known for appropriating and inculturation> is Vedaanta." (No it's NOT.)
To Hindus, it stands uncontested that the Vedam is Knowledge. And it refers to that something particular: The Vedam.
But you never know what English may do. A "guru" is now any kind of expert teacher and a pundit any kind of alleged expert, an avatar ... etc.
Philosophia is Love For Wisdom, yes. But it is the Hellenes' name for something particular, not anything in general. That is, they weren't thinking of how the world would take it literally hence see it as universal, when they derived their word that seemed appropriate to them to refer to their ... Philosophy. It is *their* Wisdom they are referring to, and the energetic enthusiastic pursuit and practice of it (which could include rituals, such as in Theurgy).
But there's really no use arguing with me. Can read for yourself how the Hellenes considered it. (From memory, R. Smith in his work on Julian also indicates a few things on how Julian and others regarded this.)
It was IIRC Apollo who was - among other things - traditionally considered the God of Philosophy, who originated it, and brought it to man. (As an aside, I think I recall coming across how at times Wisdom was considered to be embodied - in a Goddess, Sophia. Versus Athena presiding over Wisdom.)
But why bring it up? I hope it's not to play the Injured Victim/Persecution Syndrome using some 6 degrees of separation via ISKCON. Because then I would win at this absurdly childish game: at least *I* have some actual Shri Vaishnava ancestry (an ancestor from several centuries back, the ancientry makes it relevant to the situ).
What's with the melodrama? (Your drastic uses of "despise", "hate", "before jumping on my head"... <- Uh, do people often jump on your head that you should anticipate such behaviour from a stranger?)
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Its too late to reverse the philosophy meme.But universal Vedanta meme is not established yet so you have a chance there to change the trend.Yes,today we can talk about guru of science,the guru of chemistry .But probably is a good development of the word guru meme.Its has some positive values.
Theurgy,that's a word that is use often in the church.Who robbed who here.
Nobody play victimization card,not me anyway.I just interpret the facts according to my mental capacities.
Jumping on head its an expression,but you know that.I like drama and extreme emotional states and words.Call me korean on this.
In rest i agree.