[quote name='Swamy G' date='02 December 2010 - 01:00 AM' timestamp='1291231338' post='109584']I see some of these activities as Indianisation (or Hinduisation) of Christianity.[/quote]You mean like
- the christian theft of the Cross of Dionysus (the Catholic Encyclopaedia will tell you that the church started using the cross from the 6th century),
- the GrecoRoman religious festivals stolen for jeebus,
- the Roman puja area turned into christian prayer alcoves,
- the conversion of Mediterranean vigrahas into christist ones,
- the takeover of the sites of heathen Temples and other sacred sites, all converted into "the holy sites of christianism",
- the copy-and-paste of GrecoRoman religious phrases and views into christianism, where they are perverted as heralding jeebusjehovallah instead,
- the takeover and subversion of Hellenistic education - to instill christoconditioning and deHeathenisation,
- etc etc
You think all that was the "Hellenisation of christianity"?
It was christian inculturation into Hellenismos.
Surely you can recall which of the two - Hellenismos or christianism - survived and which was genocided by the other? And how at least a part of this genocide was facilitated (i.e. one of the means employed for it: inculturation again)?
Should never underestimate inculturation, it has always been used as a weapon.
Inculturation is not only the illegal theft and trivialisation-misuse-profaning of sacred religious aspects belonging to other religions, it is also a direct warploy: like cryptochristianism, it is subterfuge.
Inculturation lulls Indians into a false sense of security through loss of immunity - an inability to make the necessary distinctions.
Christianism is an adept at using inculturation to destroy a traditional religion. Why do you think it is using it now - why its leaders would be strenuously promoting it (complete with theft of our shlokas, from even the Vedam) - when they were so faithfully christian in their absolute intolerant aversion to it before?
Nothing has changed about christianism's perspective: the babble is still the word of gawd and the 1st commandment against heathen religions/Gods still holds. The answer is: it's Means to an End.
Pottu/Bindi is deeply religious. As a Hindu you (ought to) know that, knowing what it means. And knowing it, your only reactions should be (a) anger at the christian theft and their misuse/profaning of something so sacred and hence (b ) resolve to prevent them.
Not to be indulging in hopeful fancies over it (and encouraging the same by expressing wishful thinking) and congratulating oneself that Indians/Hindus are somehow - by sheer magic, presumably - going to have the last laugh.
Christianism is always willing to wait centuries to get its prize. And they *plan* for the future and with the big picture in mind, and carefully implement their plans.
Inculturation too is very much part of the plan, as the early christian 'innovators' of 'Indian/Hindu inculturation' - and other Asian inculturation - stated to their most holy initially-disapproving bosses.
The christian sheep are deliberately kept ignorant by their calculating superiors about how the practices they are stealing are deeply, *religiously* Hindu and how inseparable the innate Hindooness of these things are from the practices themselves. Instead, they are fed stories of appropriation that have been concocted specifically to legitimise - to the christian sheep's mind - christianism's theft of Hindu practices and of the insinuation of christianism into these. (Meanwhile, the bible holds these very things as 'pagan' and, as such, of the gravest offence to his non-existence, the genocidal maniac jeebusjehovallah. Their own religion sentences the inculturating christos to the most serious of punishments for dabbling - even in ignorance - in what is Not Theirs and is contra-christianism: they are damned to a firey pit forevah <- as per their own babble, which heathens don't believe in, but they do.)
But christians/islamics have absolutely no right to these things, it is as unacceptable as all other vile anti-Hindu acts of christians. And Hindus should have denied them: by firmly taking their christian claws off our religion and placing them back in christianism's own dump.
The following should have been (the visible/vocal) Hindus' reasoning and position on the matter:
So too: those of Hindu ancestry converted to mental diseases who want to do Hindu things should be Hindu (a state mutually exclusive to the mindvirus ideologies) in order to do them. It is Hindu religio-culture, not 'culture'. That's all there is to it. That's the response the terrorist ideologies should be given: Revert or hands off.
People would likely have read the following stuff, it's from the book "Catholic Ashrams Sannyasins or Swindlers" by Sita Ram Goel. For those who haven't: read at link. And note how calculated all this is and try to understand the intention behind it:
http://www.voiceofdharma.com/books/ca/ch14.htm
http://www.voiceofdharma.com/books/ca/ch13.htm
The third eye and the Kungumam over it, and the PraNava Mantram, etc etc, have NOTHING to do with the non-existent demon jeebusjehovallah. The christian terrorists should likewise be kept away from the sacred Hindu scriptures in Samskritam/Tamizh/any other Bharatiya language. And Hindus of yesteryear would have made sure of it.
But today is another day and another people altogether. Entirely unrecognisable.
- the christian theft of the Cross of Dionysus (the Catholic Encyclopaedia will tell you that the church started using the cross from the 6th century),
- the GrecoRoman religious festivals stolen for jeebus,
- the Roman puja area turned into christian prayer alcoves,
- the conversion of Mediterranean vigrahas into christist ones,
- the takeover of the sites of heathen Temples and other sacred sites, all converted into "the holy sites of christianism",
- the copy-and-paste of GrecoRoman religious phrases and views into christianism, where they are perverted as heralding jeebusjehovallah instead,
- the takeover and subversion of Hellenistic education - to instill christoconditioning and deHeathenisation,
- etc etc
You think all that was the "Hellenisation of christianity"?
It was christian inculturation into Hellenismos.
Surely you can recall which of the two - Hellenismos or christianism - survived and which was genocided by the other? And how at least a part of this genocide was facilitated (i.e. one of the means employed for it: inculturation again)?
Should never underestimate inculturation, it has always been used as a weapon.
Inculturation is not only the illegal theft and trivialisation-misuse-profaning of sacred religious aspects belonging to other religions, it is also a direct warploy: like cryptochristianism, it is subterfuge.
Inculturation lulls Indians into a false sense of security through loss of immunity - an inability to make the necessary distinctions.
Christianism is an adept at using inculturation to destroy a traditional religion. Why do you think it is using it now - why its leaders would be strenuously promoting it (complete with theft of our shlokas, from even the Vedam) - when they were so faithfully christian in their absolute intolerant aversion to it before?
Nothing has changed about christianism's perspective: the babble is still the word of gawd and the 1st commandment against heathen religions/Gods still holds. The answer is: it's Means to an End.
Quote:It is like Christianity has to bend to the Indic traditions, values and customs.Bindi and sari are not "customs", "traditions", "values". Not "culture".
Pottu/Bindi is deeply religious. As a Hindu you (ought to) know that, knowing what it means. And knowing it, your only reactions should be (a) anger at the christian theft and their misuse/profaning of something so sacred and hence (b ) resolve to prevent them.
Not to be indulging in hopeful fancies over it (and encouraging the same by expressing wishful thinking) and congratulating oneself that Indians/Hindus are somehow - by sheer magic, presumably - going to have the last laugh.
Christianism is always willing to wait centuries to get its prize. And they *plan* for the future and with the big picture in mind, and carefully implement their plans.
Inculturation too is very much part of the plan, as the early christian 'innovators' of 'Indian/Hindu inculturation' - and other Asian inculturation - stated to their most holy initially-disapproving bosses.
The christian sheep are deliberately kept ignorant by their calculating superiors about how the practices they are stealing are deeply, *religiously* Hindu and how inseparable the innate Hindooness of these things are from the practices themselves. Instead, they are fed stories of appropriation that have been concocted specifically to legitimise - to the christian sheep's mind - christianism's theft of Hindu practices and of the insinuation of christianism into these. (Meanwhile, the bible holds these very things as 'pagan' and, as such, of the gravest offence to his non-existence, the genocidal maniac jeebusjehovallah. Their own religion sentences the inculturating christos to the most serious of punishments for dabbling - even in ignorance - in what is Not Theirs and is contra-christianism: they are damned to a firey pit forevah <- as per their own babble, which heathens don't believe in, but they do.)
But christians/islamics have absolutely no right to these things, it is as unacceptable as all other vile anti-Hindu acts of christians. And Hindus should have denied them: by firmly taking their christian claws off our religion and placing them back in christianism's own dump.
The following should have been (the visible/vocal) Hindus' reasoning and position on the matter:
Quote:At root, what it (Julian's work "Contra Galilaeos"/"Against the Galilaeans") expressed was [...] a revulsion at (christians') efforts to assimilate the literary and philosophic heritage of the Greeks without accepting the religious values voiced in it. To Julian's mind, that seemed [color="#FF0000"]wreckage, not assimilation.[/color] And acceptance of those values was not for him just a process of thought. It demanded practice on the familiar principle of do ut des: 'We must maintain such rituals of the temples (ta en tois hierois) as ancestral custom prescribes, and we must perform neither more nor less than that to appease the gods the better.'81 On this point Julian's stance was basic and [color="#FF0000"]closed to argument: 'Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring.'[/color]
So too: those of Hindu ancestry converted to mental diseases who want to do Hindu things should be Hindu (a state mutually exclusive to the mindvirus ideologies) in order to do them. It is Hindu religio-culture, not 'culture'. That's all there is to it. That's the response the terrorist ideologies should be given: Revert or hands off.
People would likely have read the following stuff, it's from the book "Catholic Ashrams Sannyasins or Swindlers" by Sita Ram Goel. For those who haven't: read at link. And note how calculated all this is and try to understand the intention behind it:
http://www.voiceofdharma.com/books/ca/ch14.htm
Quote:CHAPTER 14
The Third Dialogue
This dialogue developed around a letter which K.V. Ramakrishna Rao wrote to the Indian Express in protest against Christian missionaries masquerading as Hindu sannyasins.
INDIAN EXPRESS, 13 FEBRUARY 1989
Crucifying the 'Om'
[...]
INDIAN EXPRESS, 16 FEBRUARY 1989
The Pranava and the Cross
http://www.voiceofdharma.com/books/ca/ch13.htm
Quote:They read the Vedas, Upanishads and the Gita as well as Tamil classics and other scriptures. They sing Tamil songs (bhajans), accompanied by drums and cymbals. Aarati is taken in solemn grandeur. At the morning worship sandal paste is used, as it is a symbol of divinity. Its aroma stands for Divine Grace. At noon kumkum is placed between the eyebrows as a symbol of the Third Eye, the inner eye of wisdom, which perceives Christ. Psalm 118/68, 95, 105 and 157 point to the discernment of Truth through the wisdom of Christ in us.If they haven't already, people really should inspect the rest of the material at http://www.voiceofdharma.com/books/ca/index.htm
The 'Om' is universally used. It points to Lord God Almighty. It is the primordial sound from which the whole creation proceeds. To Christians this word is the Cosmic Christ, made flesh on earth. Om has entered many citadels of Christian places of worship all over the world including the Vatican. Popes and Cardinals have not forbidden the use of Om by Indian Christians.
Prof. S. Radhakrishnan has observed: "If Europe has interpreted Christianity in terms of their own culture of Greek thought and Roman organisation, there is no reason why the Indian Christian should not relate the message of the salvation in Christ to the larger spiritual background of India. Cannot we have Vedantic tradition in Christianity?"
The third eye and the Kungumam over it, and the PraNava Mantram, etc etc, have NOTHING to do with the non-existent demon jeebusjehovallah. The christian terrorists should likewise be kept away from the sacred Hindu scriptures in Samskritam/Tamizh/any other Bharatiya language. And Hindus of yesteryear would have made sure of it.
But today is another day and another people altogether. Entirely unrecognisable.