http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...097&SKIN=C
But GSK Menon and other Hindus don't understand. In Europe, the Pope bans Yoga. Just like in Europe he insists on christian names.
In India, the crypto-catholics most certainly have christian names which they are baptised with, which they consider their real names. But for the *sake* of crypto-christianism, they have to have Hindu cover names - which they revile, but they have no choice: if they want to destroy heathen India, as the Pope commands them to, they have to first get under the heathens' skin, into the heathen society. They will do anything to peddle the non-existent character of jeebus, including taking on heathen externals.
In India, catholic and some other christian churches tell their sheep to take over all things Hindu for *this* purpose. The church has no intention of continuing with appropriated Bharatanatyam, sarees, let alone Bindis and Tilakas, *deeply* Hindu lamps, aartis and Hindu names later. These are profoundly heathen things - which the catholic church is only all-too-aware of. But it needs its sheep to think they still have some "indian culture" at first. In their plan, when the country has been conquered, *then* they will exterminate all these traces of heathenism from their flock - and will kill stubborn elements in their flock to do it if need be (just like it had done earlier).
The early church, like the later protestants (e.g. Calvin), rose up against non-christian names among the sheep, the same way several evangelical churches today do: it is patently unchristian. They hate these unchristian inculturation tactics of the catholic church. The catholic church, though, has no principles in making converts (the ends justify the means). That's the same reason they decided to no longer insist on Latin-only mass. It is still considered heresy in catholicism (this remains the view of the Vatican) to have non-Latin mass. But their stupid sheep need to first be consolidated for christ. Later the church can impose its will on them. It's the *appearance* of leniency. In reality, there is no such thing. The church is willing to have a few early generations of damned sheep (christianism damns them for their heretical heathen elements) so that later sheep can be made purely christian.
Even the blind Indian 'patriots' who cheer the "indigenisation" of the christian church (which they ignorantly call "indianisation" - but there's nothing 'plain' "Indian" about Hindu religion) are totally mistaken in their assumption. The supposed "indigenisation" is not taking place. It is a war-tactic, it is temporary and the church very much keeps its eye on it and plans to tackle it later. (It's done this before. You don't see many christians worshipping the Roman Gods as 'saints' anymore. The church put these on its "not a saint" revelation-list long ago.)
Like the evangelicals, the Renegade catholic church too severely disagrees with the fact that the catholic church in foreign lands tells its catholic sheep to give their spawn heathen names (for cryptochristianism, no other purpose). In the opinion of the renegade (considered authentic) catholic church, this dilutes and 'paganises' the True Christianism. Which is entirely true. Association with "paganism" is considered (flirting with) damnation.
PARROT:
Anyway, the *True* christian opinion is here - this is what all christians including Indian christoterrorists should be doing AT ALL TIMES (i.e. not having heathen names even for cryptochristian purposes):
http://web.archive.org/web/2006110808021...tail&id=21
via
http://freetruth.50webs.org/A1.htm
-- Extracted from Were The Fathers Of The Christian Church Philhellenes? at Michael Kalopoulos' site Greatlie.com
John Chrysostom is a saint and 'father' of the early church (i.e. one of the founders of the ecclesiastical tradition). His surname is IIRC Hellenistic (e.g. the GrecoRoman orator Dion Chrysostom was a heathen). And although santa John insists on the OT for names, we know that at least the Protestants over a millennium later included the christian characters in the NT for a source of names. (Santa John's first name at least occurs in the NT.)
And Calvinistic protestantism.
Quote:What's in a name ? For the Pope, a lot
15/01/2011 15:55:22 GSK menon
The newspaper Asian Age has carried a news item on Page 12 "What's in a name ? For the Pope, a lot". "The Pope, who baptised 21 children on Sunday at a traditional annual ceremony at the Vatican, said afterwards that every new member of the faith acquires the character of a son or daughter of the Church "starting from a Christian name".
Italian newspapers had a field day with the story on Monday with headlines such as "Give your children Christian names".
[color="#800080"](Yeah, christians shouldn't give their spawn heathen Roman family names either, like the aristocratic names Antonius and Emilius -> from which the hyper-ignorant Indian catholics start giving traditional Roman names like Anthony and Emily.
Which is why early christian saints - despite some of them having heathen names themselves, which they couldn't help - banned heathen Greek and Roman names for all future christians. The same is doubly true for Hindu names since Bharatam is not even associated in terms of geography with the disease called christianism.
Christianism has always insisted that ONLY BIBLICAL NAMES - i.e. from the OT and esp NT - are acceptable for christians.)[/color]
[color="#0000FF"]So what should our local converts be doing ? What should the Hindu rituals fascinated Padres be doing ? What should Hindu name sporting Desert gods do ?
Does the Pope's(chief converter) clarion call for christianisation of names lead to revival of traditional christian names like Varkey, Verghese, Pothen, Rapai etc ? Will the desert gods relinquish Hindu names like Amala, Vimala and the all time hot favourite Nirmala ?[/color]
The Pope wants complete Christianisation, that means all Nilavilakku, Kodimaram, Muthukuda are all debarred from the Church. Does it mean a full stop to all imitations ?
But GSK Menon and other Hindus don't understand. In Europe, the Pope bans Yoga. Just like in Europe he insists on christian names.
In India, the crypto-catholics most certainly have christian names which they are baptised with, which they consider their real names. But for the *sake* of crypto-christianism, they have to have Hindu cover names - which they revile, but they have no choice: if they want to destroy heathen India, as the Pope commands them to, they have to first get under the heathens' skin, into the heathen society. They will do anything to peddle the non-existent character of jeebus, including taking on heathen externals.
In India, catholic and some other christian churches tell their sheep to take over all things Hindu for *this* purpose. The church has no intention of continuing with appropriated Bharatanatyam, sarees, let alone Bindis and Tilakas, *deeply* Hindu lamps, aartis and Hindu names later. These are profoundly heathen things - which the catholic church is only all-too-aware of. But it needs its sheep to think they still have some "indian culture" at first. In their plan, when the country has been conquered, *then* they will exterminate all these traces of heathenism from their flock - and will kill stubborn elements in their flock to do it if need be (just like it had done earlier).
The early church, like the later protestants (e.g. Calvin), rose up against non-christian names among the sheep, the same way several evangelical churches today do: it is patently unchristian. They hate these unchristian inculturation tactics of the catholic church. The catholic church, though, has no principles in making converts (the ends justify the means). That's the same reason they decided to no longer insist on Latin-only mass. It is still considered heresy in catholicism (this remains the view of the Vatican) to have non-Latin mass. But their stupid sheep need to first be consolidated for christ. Later the church can impose its will on them. It's the *appearance* of leniency. In reality, there is no such thing. The church is willing to have a few early generations of damned sheep (christianism damns them for their heretical heathen elements) so that later sheep can be made purely christian.
Even the blind Indian 'patriots' who cheer the "indigenisation" of the christian church (which they ignorantly call "indianisation" - but there's nothing 'plain' "Indian" about Hindu religion) are totally mistaken in their assumption. The supposed "indigenisation" is not taking place. It is a war-tactic, it is temporary and the church very much keeps its eye on it and plans to tackle it later. (It's done this before. You don't see many christians worshipping the Roman Gods as 'saints' anymore. The church put these on its "not a saint" revelation-list long ago.)
Like the evangelicals, the Renegade catholic church too severely disagrees with the fact that the catholic church in foreign lands tells its catholic sheep to give their spawn heathen names (for cryptochristianism, no other purpose). In the opinion of the renegade (considered authentic) catholic church, this dilutes and 'paganises' the True Christianism. Which is entirely true. Association with "paganism" is considered (flirting with) damnation.
PARROT:
Anyway, the *True* christian opinion is here - this is what all christians including Indian christoterrorists should be doing AT ALL TIMES (i.e. not having heathen names even for cryptochristian purposes):
http://web.archive.org/web/2006110808021...tail&id=21
via
http://freetruth.50webs.org/A1.htm
Quote:ëAs for myself I consider the Greek culture nonsense, uttered by an evil demon and the saddest of affairsû
GEORGIUS MONACHUS Chronogr. ON THARRA
Note the philobarbarian attitude of Saint John Chrysostom:
ëThe more a nation looks barbaric and is estranged from Greek culture, the more our teachings shine - this (faithful) barbarian has conquered the entire world and while all Greek culture is extinguished and destroyed, his (the barbarian's) shines brighter every dayû.
JOHN CHRYSOSTOM forbids use of Greek names
ëNone must call his children the (Greek) ancestors' names, be that of their father, their mother, their grandfather or their great grandfather, but instead you must use those of the righteous (of the Old Testament)
John Chrysostom De inani gloria et de educandis liberis (690) 641.65
-- Extracted from Were The Fathers Of The Christian Church Philhellenes? at Michael Kalopoulos' site Greatlie.com
John Chrysostom is a saint and 'father' of the early church (i.e. one of the founders of the ecclesiastical tradition). His surname is IIRC Hellenistic (e.g. the GrecoRoman orator Dion Chrysostom was a heathen). And although santa John insists on the OT for names, we know that at least the Protestants over a millennium later included the christian characters in the NT for a source of names. (Santa John's first name at least occurs in the NT.)
And Calvinistic protestantism.
Quote:Calvinist Geneva, the "Protestant Rome," was a police state.
Calvin was a strict literalist, and believed that Biblical scripture was the absolute authority.
When Calvin came to power in Geneva, he first established a set of "Ordinances," and a committee called the "Consistory" to oversee adherence to the rules. These "spiritual police" would knock on doors and ask questions, go through people's books and letters, and were not to be resisted. Once a month, everyone in town, old or young, rich or poor, was required to submit to questioning, as to whether they knew their prayers, or why they had missed one of Master Calvin's sermons.
Prohibition extended to theater, festivals, dancing, singing, cards, fancy clothing, jewelry, lace, extra buttons or bows, iceskating, and sports in general. More No-Go-zones in christianism.)[/color]
Any sculpture or public art was forbidden. A special permit was required to print anything for publication. It was forbidden to write letters abroad, and local mail was all read by the committee, coming and going.
The naming of children was under strict church control. Only Biblical names were allowed. Feasting was prohibited for Christmas and Easter.
[color="#800080"](True Christians take names SERIOUSLY, same as with how they take burial SERIOUSLY. Absolutely no non-christian names allowed, just like cremations are absolutely forbidden. It is a matter of heaven-and-hell after all.
In that respect, evangelical protestants care more for the flock's afterlife than the catholic church does, which is more concerned with gaining sheep. It's curious how Indian catholics blindly trust their church even when it's deliberately leading its faithful astray just so it can make more converts. But Indian catholics are quite ignorant of their religion.)[/color]
Everyone was encouraged to spy on everyone else, children on their parents, workers against each other, servants against their masters.
Thousands of people were imprisoned, tortured, and burned to death during Calvin's reign, but he never attended the final Autos de Fe.
"Most savagely of all were punished any offenders whose behavior challenged Calvin's political and spiritual infalliblity. A man who had publicly protested against the reformer's doctrine of predestination was mercilessly flogged at all the crossways of the city and then expelled. A book printer who, in his cups, had railed at Calvin was sentenced to have his tongue perforated with a red-hot iron before being expelled from the city. Jacques Gruet was racked and then executed merely for having called Calvin a hypocrite."
-- "The Right To Heresy" by Stephan Zweig
Calvinism has spread far and wide, coloring many strands of Christianity, including American Bible-Belt Fundamentalism.
From: Calvin - 16th Century Hitler/McCarthy
Death to traitors.