On stuff in 192:
There's no such thing. Just like there's no "Western Taoism" either (ask traditional Taoists).
There's only dabblers.
Curious invitation.
- First they join without an invite (Hindu society didn't okay jetsetting swamis' inviting people to Hindu religion; this is not a proselytising religion, it is an ethnic religion, i.e. ancestrally-handed down). So Hindus are not mandated to "accept" anything.
- Then they "urge" actual Hindus to accept "western hinduism" and accept it as "the same ancient Hinduism". I.e. they still pretend to seek legitimacy, to seek Hindus' acceptance.
- When sensible Hindus were to say NO (as they must), the tune will become different. Then the "converts" will turn hostile and you will get:
a) nasty U-turns - as many dabblers have done; or
b ) they will do what the terrifying western dabblers - who call themselves "Vedicists/brahmanas/etc" - do: they will declare themselves the *real* inheritors/the Authentics and disinherit traditional Hindoos from their ancestral religion/scriptures/traditions/Gods. In the meantime, they will keep inviting Hindoos to Please Teach Us The Vedic Rites.
c) "It's all open-source." They'll just give it a different name from Hindu religion. And Bob's your uncle.
The christo-conditioned west is good at that. It's what they excel at. Hindoo religion isn't the only one the christo-conditioned west (prone to dabbling as it is) has been doing this to, although we have the special 'privilege' of being paralysed by the IE love-dart. (There's dangerous dabblers in Native American religion, Daoism, Shinto, etc. All kinds of ancestral religions are being encroached on by Dabblers whose religions these are Not.)
Am not at all surprised that "HinduismToday" would publish the above.
Nor is it a surprise that there may exist Hindus who think all this is a good development. (There are those who wish to sell the Vedam for dabbling too. Open Season.)
Where's that L/D/Nakota declaration.
Another great find: of course, there would be professionals - experienced in this very nightmare - to argue the points.
Here, the Lakota community of Native Americans. They say it all, don't they:
http://www.thepeoplespaths.net/articles/warlakot.htm
This is a form of genocide (of heathenisms) by the way. The theory that "everything belongs to everyone, give it to us now, willingly (or we'll take it from you anyway ... and Replace You)."
And found again (Repeat):
http://puffin.creighton.edu/lakota/war.html
"Declaration of War Against Exploiters of Lakota Spirituality"
by the Lakota, Nakota, Dakota NA traditional native American communities.
As various traditional heathens explain about their own religions: these religions are not any "universal religion", but *ethnic* religions.
The west has its own religions. If Hindus truly cared for the west, they'd help them find their own, or at least, help them get into a properly de-conditioned, heathenised mindset to find it for themselves. (But need to be a heathen to do that.) Or leave it to the Hellenes. They speak English and they heathenise pretty well.
Meanwhile, 2 thumbs up for the de-conditioned westerners working at NDOs (Non Developmental Orgs) - working to save the continuity of heathens in Africa and S America and their native religions/ways of life.
They don't know it, but such western people's selflessness in saving the heathenisms for their own sake - instead of due to personal interests in dabbling or otherwise encroaching on such religions - is actually a heathenising step.
Quote:Western Hinduism
There's no such thing. Just like there's no "Western Taoism" either (ask traditional Taoists).
There's only dabblers.
Quote:I urge all Hindus to accept this new international form of the same ancient Hinduism, with its many seekers from foreign lands. Hindus have every reason to be proud that the great teachings of the Hindu sages have spread around the world. This is not a distortion of Vedic culture but a tribute to the greatness and universality of these teachings. India is the spiritual mother of the world.
Curious invitation.
- First they join without an invite (Hindu society didn't okay jetsetting swamis' inviting people to Hindu religion; this is not a proselytising religion, it is an ethnic religion, i.e. ancestrally-handed down). So Hindus are not mandated to "accept" anything.
- Then they "urge" actual Hindus to accept "western hinduism" and accept it as "the same ancient Hinduism". I.e. they still pretend to seek legitimacy, to seek Hindus' acceptance.
- When sensible Hindus were to say NO (as they must), the tune will become different. Then the "converts" will turn hostile and you will get:
a) nasty U-turns - as many dabblers have done; or
b ) they will do what the terrifying western dabblers - who call themselves "Vedicists/brahmanas/etc" - do: they will declare themselves the *real* inheritors/the Authentics and disinherit traditional Hindoos from their ancestral religion/scriptures/traditions/Gods. In the meantime, they will keep inviting Hindoos to Please Teach Us The Vedic Rites.
c) "It's all open-source." They'll just give it a different name from Hindu religion. And Bob's your uncle.
The christo-conditioned west is good at that. It's what they excel at. Hindoo religion isn't the only one the christo-conditioned west (prone to dabbling as it is) has been doing this to, although we have the special 'privilege' of being paralysed by the IE love-dart. (There's dangerous dabblers in Native American religion, Daoism, Shinto, etc. All kinds of ancestral religions are being encroached on by Dabblers whose religions these are Not.)
Quote:The great pioneering Indian masters [color="#800080"](aka the jetsetting kind)[/color] actually gave an awakening to students. They gave shaktipat (mystical initiation), awakening the kundalini energy.No. No they didn't.
Am not at all surprised that "HinduismToday" would publish the above.
Nor is it a surprise that there may exist Hindus who think all this is a good development. (There are those who wish to sell the Vedam for dabbling too. Open Season.)
Quote:The genius of Hinduism is that it forever expresses the dynamism of Divine revelation. It does not get bogged down in dogma and limitation. Forms are created, sustained and destroyed; new forms arise, blazing with the shakti of revelation.How very new-age. Other than that, I have no idea what this just said.
Where's that L/D/Nakota declaration.
Another great find: of course, there would be professionals - experienced in this very nightmare - to argue the points.
Here, the Lakota community of Native Americans. They say it all, don't they:
http://www.thepeoplespaths.net/articles/warlakot.htm
Quote:[color="#0000FF"]"For too long we have suffered the unspeakable indignity of having our most precious Lakota ceremonies and spiritual practices desecrated, mocked and abused by non-Indian wannabes, hucksters, cultists, and self-styled New Age shamans and their followers," the Declaration of War reads.
"The absurd public posturing of this scandalous assortment of pseudo-Indian charlatans, wannabes, commercial profiteers and cultists comprise a momentous obstacle in the struggle of traditional Lakota people for adequate public appraisal of the legitimate political, legal and spiritual needs of real Lakota people."
Wilmer Mesteth, a traditional spiritual leader and Lakota culture instructor at Oglala Lakota College, told the summit participants that he was aware that sacred ceremonies were being imitated and even sold by non-Indians as well as certain Indian people.
"We have to put a stop to it," Mesteth said. "We are the ones who were given these ceremonies so that the people would remain together and strong. We were told to take care of these ceremonies so that our children and their children would have future.
"For a long time we have stood by and watched this abuse going on and we see how it is affecting the people. Nut now its time to take a stand to defend our people and our ways."[/color]
This is a form of genocide (of heathenisms) by the way. The theory that "everything belongs to everyone, give it to us now, willingly (or we'll take it from you anyway ... and Replace You)."
And found again (Repeat):
http://puffin.creighton.edu/lakota/war.html
"Declaration of War Against Exploiters of Lakota Spirituality"
by the Lakota, Nakota, Dakota NA traditional native American communities.
As various traditional heathens explain about their own religions: these religions are not any "universal religion", but *ethnic* religions.
The west has its own religions. If Hindus truly cared for the west, they'd help them find their own, or at least, help them get into a properly de-conditioned, heathenised mindset to find it for themselves. (But need to be a heathen to do that.) Or leave it to the Hellenes. They speak English and they heathenise pretty well.
Meanwhile, 2 thumbs up for the de-conditioned westerners working at NDOs (Non Developmental Orgs) - working to save the continuity of heathens in Africa and S America and their native religions/ways of life.
They don't know it, but such western people's selflessness in saving the heathenisms for their own sake - instead of due to personal interests in dabbling or otherwise encroaching on such religions - is actually a heathenising step.