Hindu/Indian Culture Outside India

[Husky]

The following is all still on the topic of a couple of posts up:



1. [quote name='Husky' date='17 October 2011 - 09:21 PM' timestamp='1318866180' post='113369']there are all already too many alien terrorists I mean "collectors" who have been busy stealing - I mean "buying" - and even looting sacred Temple items and moorties.[/quote]

bharatabharati.wordpress.com/2011/09/02/european-american-museums-fortified-havens-for-plunder-radha-rajan/

European & American Museums: Fortified havens for plunder – Radha Rajan



And that led to the original article at http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDispl...px?id=1924

which gives an example for the following:

a certain Tamizh Hindu blog that subverted Hindu religious imagery and structures (like Temples and moolamoorties even) into "art", and allowed "participation" of Indian and alien christoterrorists in the "discussion" on Hindu "art".

Indian christoterrorist example (Varghese is a Syrian Indian christo name). Note how it speaks of "our temples" and has been busy playing art-appreciating/critiquing tourist at Hindu temples (who invited it?), all while lecturing how Hindus can't maintain their temples and mentioning temples and museums in the same breath:



http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDispl...px?id=1924

Indians, while they pretend to be very religious and tradition- minded, have no sense of history or tradition. Just look at the way [color="#0000FF"]our[/color] museums, temples, archaeological sites, and historical places are maintained. Even privately maintained places are no exception. [color="#0000FF"]I have been to Chidambaram temple[/color] in 2004, and right at the entrance I could see the washed clothes of the inmates of the temple strung out on a cloth-line! Inside one could see the fly infested tube-lights in PVC boxes, and every corner inside the compound reflecting shabbiness and neglect. [color="#0000FF"]Birla temples (no historical value, though) and places like Tiruchi Ganesh temple (Uchhimalai Swamy, I think maintained by the Govt.)[/color] are notable exceptions. The new religious places (of all religions) built by the nouveau riche are garish, ostentatious displays of wealth and nothing more.

varghese

21 Aug 2011

Can't christoislamics stay in their churches - already mushrooming all over the place? They just have to go out of the way to invite their uninvited selves to Hindu temples. It's not enough that they have already stolen the position of govt, English language media and subverted education in India (besides having stolen a lot of Hindu Temple land), they have to inflict their mindvirus-infected selves into Hindu temples, even as they work to destroy it from outside too (e.g. christists are working to destroy the same Chidambaram Kovil that the above christo haunted "visited").







2. [quote name='Husky' date='17 October 2011 - 09:21 PM' timestamp='1318866180' post='113369']

No one else disturbed by the fact that the speaker was offended that "Nataraja bronzes" were sold for just a few millions while some western art - which the speaker didn't admire - sold for hundreds of millions? I.e. the speaker was offended that (presumably) aliens didn't sufficiently admire the [superiority of] the Hindu works of so-called "art".

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What's not clear from the video is [color="#0000FF"]whether the Nataraja bronze that went for millions is an ancient one or made in our time.[/color] I.e. whether such pieces were ancient Hindu sculptures being stolen from Hindu Bharatam to become some art collector (or museums') possession. This is theft and anti-Hindu. (And selling of modern Hindu-made Natarajas to aliens' hands is still anti-Hindu.)[/quote]

I had to know. And I think I managed to find out at last (don't know when the video was made, but the auction is from 2007):



- blog.cleveland.com/reviews/2007/04/cma_buys_rare_and_expensive_in.html

CMA buys rare and expensive Indian statue

Posted by Steven Litt, Art critic April 03, 2007 15:32PM



[color="#800080"][image caption][/color] Photo provided by Cleveland Museum of Art

This statue of the Hindu god Shiva, purchased at auction by the Cleveland Museum of Art, [color="#0000FF"]cost $4 million, a record price.[/color] The Cleveland Museum of Art has revealed it was the secret buyer of [color="#0000FF"]a rare, 1,000-year-old Indian sculpture of the Hindu god Shiva, sold by the Albright-Knox Art Gallery in Buffalo in a highly controversial auction[/color] on March 23.



Bidding at Sotheby's in New York through the London art dealer John Eskenazi, the Cleveland museum paid $4.072 million for the work, a record price for an Indian sculpture.



"I'm elated," Timothy Rub, director of the Cleveland museum, said Monday by phone from New York, calling the sculpture a new centerpiece of Cleveland's highly regarded collection of Asian art.



"This is the crowning of my career," said Stanislaw Czuma, who retired in 2005 after 33 years as the museum's curator of Indian and Southeast Asian art, and who urged the museum to buy the work. "From every level you approach it, this is a fantastic acquisition."



In a written statement, Martin Lerner, a retired curator of Indian and Southeast Asian art at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York, called the Shiva "one of the most important Indian sculptures to have come on the market in recent memory."



Carved and polished in dark gray granite, the life-size sculpture depicts the Hindu deity Shiva, known as "the Destroyer," as he shares identity with the deity Brahma, known as "the Creator."



Czuma called the work a superb example of best artistic period of the Chola Dynasty, which dominated southern India from the 10th to the 13th centuries.



The Albright-Knox set off a bitter civic controversy in Buffalo last year when it decided to sell the Shiva and dozens of other important pre-modern works to raise money for its relatively modest endowment of $58 million.



"We sort of went through a war here," said Louis Grachos, director of the Buffalo museum.



In March, a N.Y. State Supreme Court judge dismissed a last-minute lawsuit filed by an ad hoc group called the Buffalo Art Keepers, which tried to stop the auctions.



[color="#FF0000"]The Albright-Knox has raised $22 million so far by selling works of ancient and Asian art, with the Shiva fetching one of the highest individual prices.[/color] The museum will use the money to boost the portion of the endowment restricted to art purchases and will focus on buying works of Modern and contemporary art, its principal focus.

[color="#800080"](Don't ya just LOVE how thieves sell it legitimately to other thieves - they're all part of the same robbers' den - and make their transactions all legal and binding, and pretend it's above board?

Yet if tomorrow Hindoos were to waltz in and take it away from the aliens, Hindoos would probably be thrown into prison.

The way that Hindoos trying to pilgrimage to the ancient Hindoo Cave Temples and attempting to get Darshanam of the Hindoo Gods there are spoken of as "tresspassers" at something called 'Indian' "archaeological sites".)[/color]



Grachos said there was "absolutely" no other way to raise millions of dollars for the endowment than by selling artworks that no longer fit the museum's core mission.



He said he was delighted that the Shiva will go to Cleveland, rather than in a private collection or a museum overseas. Knowing that the work is a short drive away from Buffalo takes some of the sting out of the sale, he said.



"Although it's left home, it's not gone far away," he said.



Rub said he hoped to exhibit the sculpture later this year alongside other important works from the museum's collection of Indian art. The museum is mostly closed for a $258 million expansion and renovation, although it is open for special exhibitions and classes.

[color="#800080"]("Indian art"? The moorty is NOT "Indian" "art".)[/color]



The Albright-Knox [color="#FF0000"]acquired the Shiva in 1927 as a gift from a donor[/color] who bought it from the respected dealer, C.T. Loo. The work's "provenance," or ownership history, places it beyond the reach of contemporary laws aimed at preventing the looting of ancient artworks.

[color="#800080"](Most convenient. Must be a "diplomatic immunity" type principle.

So can anyone explain it to me: if Hindus steal it back, then BY THE SAME PRINCIPLE, we must be beyond the same "contemporary laws", right? Especially as we would thereby be Undoing the Looting of Ancient Artworks? Hey, we could be like the Supra Robin Hoods: Steal back from the Thieves to Return To the Rightful Owners. I really like this idea. Think everyone: How can this be implemented?)[/color]



Czuma said the [color="#FF0000"]sculpture probably adorned an outdoor niche on the north side of a major temple in southern India[/color], but it is not known when the work was removed. [color="#FF0000"]He said it was the finest of a group of five major stone statues[/color] of Shiva as Brahma acquired by American museums before World War II.



The sculpture combines the attributes of Shiva as the destroyer and Brahma as the creator to encapsulate the Hindu belief in death, reincarnation and progress toward perfection, Czuma said.



In the sculpture, Shiva is sitting on a double lotus blossom. He has a third eye and four heads, each looking in one of the cardinal directions, Czuma said. The deity's four arms indicate his special powers. Two of his hands hold a lotus and a rosary. The other two hands are positioned in gestures of blessing and teaching.



"The carving is fantastic," Czuma said. "You almost feel the flesh of the image. It was a really great master that created it."

Look. Isn't that cute? They all admire the ... aesthetics and execution of the image - its carving - and its "great master who created it".

Isn't everyone happy now? Doesn't it Make It All Better?





3. In 2003: How sweet, moorties of Hindoos' Gods made by Hindoos are on display for aliens to "admire" their aesthetics and skill.



www.cleveland.com/contests/cma_chola/

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The Sensuous and the Sacred

Chola Bronzes from South India

July 6 - September 14, 2003



Discover the beauty of more than 60 temple sculptures from the 9th to 13th centuries, when religious devotion and love of life fused in a style of rhythmic grace and spiritual power. Don’t miss your opportunity to see this first major exhibition of the art of Chola bronzes in Cleveland!



Tickets: Adults $7. Discounts for members, students and seniors. Call 216-421-7350, outside Cleveland call 1-888-CMA-0033, or visit clevelandart.org.



Museum Hours: Tuesday - Sunday 10 a.m. - 5 p.m., Wednesday and Friday, 10 a.m. - 9 p.m.



Audio Tour: [color="#FF0000"]Enjoy a fascinating and lively self-guided audio tour exploring the stories behind the magnificent sculptures. $5 [/color]

[color="#800080"](Maybe they will play the audio of that video in the background, teaching the aliens to "admire" Hindu "art". No?)[/color]



Museum Store: [color="#0000FF"]The Chola Bronzes Store features the stunning exhibition catalogue, fabulous jewelry, posters, music CDs, and much more! Visit our store online at clevelandart.org/store for convenient 24-hour shopping.[/color]

[color="#800080"](Merchandising! Step right up! Get the mug, get the T-shirt, get the FABULOUS JEWELRY And POSTER and um the Music CD. What is on the music CD...)[/color]



Directions: Located in University Circle, the Museum is three miles south of I-90 using the Martin Luther King, Jr. Drive exit. Just follow the University signs marked “Art Museum.”



For museum information, call 1-888-CMA-0033 or visit www.clevelandart.org.



The exhibition is organized by the American Federation of [color="#FF0000"]Arts[/color] and the Arthur M. Sackler Gallery, [color="#FF0000"]Smithsonian Institution[/color]. The exhibition is supported by the National Endowment for the Humanities and [color="#FF0000"]The Rockefeller Foundation[/color]. Additional exhibition support is provided by Gilbert and Ann Kinney, and the Benefactors Circle of the AFA. The catalogue is supported by the E. Rhodes and Leona B. Carpenter Foundation. The Cleveland showing is supported in part by Malcolm E. Kenney and the Malcolm E. Kenney Special Exhibitions Endowment Fund. Promotional support is provided by The Plain Dealer, City Visitor, and WCLV 104.9 FM. The Cleveland Museum of Art receives operating support from the Ohio Arts Council and the Institute of Museum and Library Services.

Smithsonian -> Has the Hope diamond belonging to a moorty of Sita, IIRC.

And I think I recall Rockefeller and Smithsonian working hand in hand often against India's Hindu religion.





4. The nightmare grows. Check out the image in the next one. Acquired by the same museum in 1961 from an alien terrorist's "collection".



www.cleveland.com/arts/index.ssf/2008/07/to_witness_sherman_lees_legacy.html

[color="#800080"][Photo caption:][/color] Cleveland Museum of ArtSherman Lee posed with a pair of early 10th-century Chola-period Hindu bronzes acquired by the Cleveland Museum of Art in 1961. Lee, who directed the museum from 1958 to 1983, boosted the depth and quality of its holdings, including its world-famous Asian collection.

[...]

With more than 4,000 objects, the museum's Asian holdings range from superb Chola-period Indian bronze sculptures to stunningly beautiful Japanese folding screens

All this reminds me of those American soldiers - the pinnacle of American heroism no doubt - who killed Afghan kids and other unarmed innocent civilians and then posed (grinning) with the dead bodies of their victims and collected their bones as trophies.

Vind je ook niet?





Actually, all this equally reminds me of the kind of Indians who - in speaking of Hindoo moorties of the Hindoo Gods made by Hindoos (for Hindoos alone) - have a tendency to divorce these things from Hindoo religion. Because they treat Hindoo religion as a dead heirloom also.

But they can't say the aliens don't *equally* appreciate the artistic and aesthetic value in all this. Proof? The aliens collect it (still): to the tune of 4 million dollars even. <- Must mean the aliens appreciate it more, no? And that the aliens therefore deserve it more?

If these are heirlooms - but *I* never said so - then they are ultimately the heirlooms of all the world equally (especially with aesthetics being Universal), nietwaar?





5. www.royalacademy.org.uk/exhibitions/chola/shiva,305,AR.html





And the caption:

01shiva Shiva as Nataraja (Lord of Dance), eleventh century, bronze, height 111.5 cm. The Cleveland Museum of Art, Purchase from the J. H. Wade Fund, 1930.331. Photo: © The [color="#FF0000"]Cleveland Museum of Art, Purchase from the J.H. Wade Fund 1930.331 Shiva as Nataraja (Lord of Dance), eleventh century, bronze[/color], height 111.5 cm. The Cleveland Museum of Art, Purchase from the J. H. Wade Fund, 1930.331. Photo:

If loot belonging to another heathen population ever came into my hands, I would seek the quickest way of restoration. That is how the heathen respects the religious works of others (and puts their admiration into context/perspective): by respecting the work, the religion, Gods and people behind it - by putting it back in the hands of those to whom it (correctly) means the most. It may be very beautiful - it may be an accurate image of Great Neptune Poseidon himself - but when it concerns religion, it is no plaything, no trifle, no art even. It is the breath of life of others. Just as the above mentioned moorties are to the Hindoos. The Hindoos are not dead yet. But the alien and Indian terrorists certainly treat them that way.

Even the aliens' argument/arrangement against looting is only in those terms: "to prevent nations from looting the 'antiques' (heirlooms) of other countries."

Yet these moorties - mistaken for antiques - are part of the Living Religion of the ethnic Hindoos.



But it is an exclusively heathen view to know that the Right thing to do when in possession of other heathen (i.e. religious) treasures is to Return what belongs to Other heathens. In contrast:

- The christo(conditioned) alien view is always one of appropriation and pretence that it rightfully belongs to them: they will excuse their theft with how they have the greatest admiration for it and will look after it best (so they "deserve to keep it" - a la the brit argument about the "Elgin" loot taken from the Greeks). The aliens may have acquired it "somehow" - perhaps even shadily - but will argue that now it's all in black and white (the christo "finders keepers" principle). It's also related to why the aliens dabble: they imagine they have a right to do so - that it's all universal - or that it's Actually Theirs (owing to oryanism).

- Meanwhile, the alienated native's view is to treat all Hindoo religious stuff as if it is to be thrown open to universal admiration. "All must learn about how to rightly appreciate it."





But Hindoos may know who to blame if more items get stolen/looted "sold" to aliens. The first blame lies with those of (supposedly) your own kind who "universalise" everything.

Without them, the alien terrorists would still loot, of course - as they had in the past - but the subverted natives who are today welcoming (even encouraging) alien "admiration" have extended the aliens an Invite now and have been encouraging sales to the highest bidder: "please admire our moorties", "please learn to recognise the artistic genius and 'history' behind it and so learn to bid higher". (Quite like all those Indian salesmen selling Yoga or Bharatanatyam to aliens, or those entities who have taught aliens to Dabble In What They Have No Business In.)







Anisha Astrology said (previous post):

it is beyond doubt that hindu religion is oldest

Assertion without proof.