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Dhu, as you know,
Minus the extreme weirdo supremacists out there, the oryanists will agree that (most of) modern man arose in Africa and would be willing to allow that Europe was populated via India and Indonesia and ME etc.
That is not the history they're tracing though. The (public) oryanists make it an "all that went before is irrelevant" clean slate scenario before the (proto-)Oryans come into the picture. I.e. everything before the Urheimat and the PIE, they don't care about and will not argue about. It is everything from the Urheimat onwards from where they really start to choose to counting their history: that is where their Oryan civilisation builders (and for humanity, that most important development: language) comes in. They claim that uniquely. That is their Identity claim.
They want to be the ones that came up with the language. (From which derives the people and an alleged geography whence it emanated.)
So even if the modern homo sapiens came from Africa and if Europe's input was via whatever ancient lines from India, the oryanists' claim is that at some (late) point Europeans' would-be ancestors (i.e. the oryans) had settled in their Urheimat and eventually developed PIE and from there spread out again including the invasion (migration, whatever) of India as well as of Iran etc.
Along with that view, they also like to think that their Proto-Oryans had already become sort of "European" (qua phenotype) in the Urheimat stage. And that modern Indians - the "Indo-Oryan speakers" at least - must therefore needs be miscegenated entities who resulted from that late Oryan invasion of India. "Else how did India acquire Samskritam?"
This is the only question they care about (and they have already decided on what their answer Must be). The question concerns their obsession with their identity and history, their obsessive view of these things. Never get between the alien* and its identity - even if such an identity is entirely constructed (i.e. if it's wrong) and they're deluding themselves with it. They destroy everything and everyone in their way. If heathens stand between them and their identity, the aliens (even those that claim to be the more authentic heathens) the oryanists will wipe them out. Language (and religion) was identified by the oryanists as the key to their identity. They insist Samskritam is theirs (and the dabblers insist Vedas are theirs) - or at worst: that Samskritam and Hindu/Vedic religion is derived from PIE and "therefore" Samskritam/Vedas is theirs.
* and related.
"Never get between the alien and its identity" -> Hindus are unfortunate in that they're dragged into the alien's hunt for its "oryanist history/identity": after all, Hindus are sitting on Samskritam and the Vedas, considered the cornerstone of oryanism (the very raison d'etre of oryanism). Hindus are not merely geographically linked but organically to the very things the aliens Must possess.
I keep thinking it must be wonderful to be an ethnic Chinese or Japanese heathen (Daoist or Shinto). None of this Disease to be saddled up with, little enough of alien interest and that too is confined to stealing the civilisational achievements of the Chinese, it can't steal their ethnic (even genetic) or at least not their religious identity. They can be heathens free from the alien disease and all the consequent alien curses.
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Dhu, as you know,
Minus the extreme weirdo supremacists out there, the oryanists will agree that (most of) modern man arose in Africa and would be willing to allow that Europe was populated via India and Indonesia and ME etc.
That is not the history they're tracing though. The (public) oryanists make it an "all that went before is irrelevant" clean slate scenario before the (proto-)Oryans come into the picture. I.e. everything before the Urheimat and the PIE, they don't care about and will not argue about. It is everything from the Urheimat onwards from where they really start to choose to counting their history: that is where their Oryan civilisation builders (and for humanity, that most important development: language) comes in. They claim that uniquely. That is their Identity claim.
They want to be the ones that came up with the language. (From which derives the people and an alleged geography whence it emanated.)
So even if the modern homo sapiens came from Africa and if Europe's input was via whatever ancient lines from India, the oryanists' claim is that at some (late) point Europeans' would-be ancestors (i.e. the oryans) had settled in their Urheimat and eventually developed PIE and from there spread out again including the invasion (migration, whatever) of India as well as of Iran etc.
Along with that view, they also like to think that their Proto-Oryans had already become sort of "European" (qua phenotype) in the Urheimat stage. And that modern Indians - the "Indo-Oryan speakers" at least - must therefore needs be miscegenated entities who resulted from that late Oryan invasion of India. "Else how did India acquire Samskritam?"
This is the only question they care about (and they have already decided on what their answer Must be). The question concerns their obsession with their identity and history, their obsessive view of these things. Never get between the alien* and its identity - even if such an identity is entirely constructed (i.e. if it's wrong) and they're deluding themselves with it. They destroy everything and everyone in their way. If heathens stand between them and their identity, the aliens (even those that claim to be the more authentic heathens) the oryanists will wipe them out. Language (and religion) was identified by the oryanists as the key to their identity. They insist Samskritam is theirs (and the dabblers insist Vedas are theirs) - or at worst: that Samskritam and Hindu/Vedic religion is derived from PIE and "therefore" Samskritam/Vedas is theirs.
* and related.
"Never get between the alien and its identity" -> Hindus are unfortunate in that they're dragged into the alien's hunt for its "oryanist history/identity": after all, Hindus are sitting on Samskritam and the Vedas, considered the cornerstone of oryanism (the very raison d'etre of oryanism). Hindus are not merely geographically linked but organically to the very things the aliens Must possess.
I keep thinking it must be wonderful to be an ethnic Chinese or Japanese heathen (Daoist or Shinto). None of this Disease to be saddled up with, little enough of alien interest and that too is confined to stealing the civilisational achievements of the Chinese, it can't steal their ethnic (even genetic) or at least not their religious identity. They can be heathens free from the alien disease and all the consequent alien curses.
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