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And now: as [color="#0000FF"]an example of where it all comes back to bite the Hindoos[/color] - others know no better than to take the nonsense (invention of ur-Shramanism) seriously:
Apparently, a somewhat recent Huffington Post tactic to dismiss Hindu Dharma with great disdain was to ask its readers to *vote* for whether Yoga is Hindu or not. (How "democratic" again, to vote on what is true, to vote on the ownership of a private community's private religious practices that have been distilled, repackaged and sold by greedy salesmen, stolen and made into "public/universal" property. "Democratically" voting in the truth - rather like the wackypedia. Quite like how the 'nature' of jeebus - as distinct-son-of-gawd-and-yet-also-gawd etc etc - was voted on.)
The Huffington Post page required readers to vote on the topic before seeing the article. Since I didn't regard it a voting issue, I thought I'd try the net to see whether someone had stashed a copy that could be read directly without casting a vote, so I could show it to a relative as an example of how far the interminable stupidity of "sharing" Hindu religion had taken Hindus.
Instead of the article text, found a couple of sites discussing the Vote For It article. One was by a typical dabbling alien, who was eager to ensure yoga was declared universal so she and her gang of likeminded could continue her new age dabbling.
And the other link was one that was ... directly related to the posts above, as can be seen in the emphasised portion below:
everseeking.tumblr.com/post/19350496034/change-my-mind-yoga-is-a-hindu-practice
When I started reading the above I thought, mistakenly: at last, some sympathy. And sense too (minus all the insinuating that the alien terrorists' skin-colour is relevant somehow): someone else sees that this "democratic voting" sharade is no more than a cover for stealing in broad daylight and gloating while they do it. The christo(conditioned) west has stopped openly saying "finders keepers" (as was used in claiming native American land) although "Finders Keepers" became nine-tenths of western law at some point. But the argument for alien appropriation is more evolved and fine-tuned now: "Yoga was always everybody's, it belongs to everyone/the cosmos, it's spiritual/universal, Hindus have no right to insist it has anything Hindu about it and we need not recognise that it does". (The way the christowest now has evolved more high-level arguments on why they have the right to *continue* keeping stolen Hindu Temple vigrahas and are not required to return them to Hindus.)
From my starting off pleased to read that someone (presumably non-Indian) could recognise the theft, I came to the bit where it essentially said Yoga was "actually of the pre-Vedic religion of the IVC" (also: why plural for Vedic religion?), thus parroting the notions that wackypedian lobbiers - and many other Indians elsewhere - are trying to promote, and it became clear that Hindus will always get the short end. (And I do mean all Hindus. It's not at all only the Brahmanas that are targeted: the unnamed are the worst off - after all, they're not even recognised!) Even when it is Hindus' own religion that is at stake, and there's finally some reasoned sympathy arguing against alien theft of Yoga, this sympathy is redirected elsewhere and Hindus' native Vedic religion is made not only peculiarly alien but is also made out to be not related to (it's the meaning of "not the origin of") Yoga.
Another thing I disagree with is the final lines: Yoga "a gift to the world"? Why? Because new-ageist "spiritual" jetsetters and alien-recruiters of Hindu origin took bottled pseudo-yoga lite overseas and sold it to every dabbler who showed interest?
And Hindus would recognise all this as Yoga ... why again?
Then again, the whole advantage (and a source of amusement) is watching the aliens imagine they have yoga and have learnt it.
Of course, some less half-witted aliens have realised by now that they don't in fact have any of it and are grasping - even as we speak - to steal the "real yoga" from India, thinking that if only they pore over more stolen Hindoo texts that don't concern them and get more materials digitised - even as they murder Hindu religion in its own home (yes, it's the Same people doing both, it's always the Same people) - that they will then finally have real Yoga and Tantra and all that can be gained from these.
But I'm reminded of Hindoos' Divine Mother, who memorably sent that dabbler - whats-his-face - 'Arthur Avalon' utterly mad: sent him back to christianism <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' /> A suitable punishment for him. And so he never even found his way back to his own ancestral religion either (which was Not Hindus' religion, obviously, him being a Briton). So many dabblers "converts" keep getting sent back all the time to the dreary hell-hole that is christianism - never to be seen trying *even* "paganism/new-ageism" again - it's quite encouraging.
And now: as [color="#0000FF"]an example of where it all comes back to bite the Hindoos[/color] - others know no better than to take the nonsense (invention of ur-Shramanism) seriously:
Apparently, a somewhat recent Huffington Post tactic to dismiss Hindu Dharma with great disdain was to ask its readers to *vote* for whether Yoga is Hindu or not. (How "democratic" again, to vote on what is true, to vote on the ownership of a private community's private religious practices that have been distilled, repackaged and sold by greedy salesmen, stolen and made into "public/universal" property. "Democratically" voting in the truth - rather like the wackypedia. Quite like how the 'nature' of jeebus - as distinct-son-of-gawd-and-yet-also-gawd etc etc - was voted on.)
The Huffington Post page required readers to vote on the topic before seeing the article. Since I didn't regard it a voting issue, I thought I'd try the net to see whether someone had stashed a copy that could be read directly without casting a vote, so I could show it to a relative as an example of how far the interminable stupidity of "sharing" Hindu religion had taken Hindus.
Instead of the article text, found a couple of sites discussing the Vote For It article. One was by a typical dabbling alien, who was eager to ensure yoga was declared universal so she and her gang of likeminded could continue her new age dabbling.
And the other link was one that was ... directly related to the posts above, as can be seen in the emphasised portion below:
everseeking.tumblr.com/post/19350496034/change-my-mind-yoga-is-a-hindu-practice
Quote:Bran Everseeking
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15/3/12 Change My Mind: Yoga Is A Hindu Practice
whatwhiteswillneverknow:
satifice:
This is rage inducing. Likeââ¬Â¦ I fill in the poll ââ¬Ëcause Yoga is a Hindu practice. You read the ââ¬Ëdebateââ¬â¢ as if any white woman should even be giving her opinion about this. Fuck this shit makes me angry.
How in the hell does the HuffPo even think it is appropriate to vote about facts!? Fuck. This is how cultural appropriation becomes so normalized that the appropriated practice can never, ever be reclaimed.
The white womanââ¬â¢s argument is so fucking typical, too. ââ¬ÅItââ¬â¢s not that the Hinduââ¬â¢s who practice yoga arenââ¬â¢t special, itââ¬â¢s that everyone else is too.ââ¬Â No, itââ¬â¢s that everyone else is a fucking appropriator, and youââ¬â¢re sitting here with your white ass trying to say that Yoga isnââ¬â¢t a Hindu practice! What the fuck is it, then? American? God!
I would say It (=yoga) is Indian, coming out of the Indus Valley Civilization which is usually considered as before the Vedic religions. Hindu being a Colonial appellation as apt as calling all First Nation/American Indian religions the same.
In the Case of Yoga it is a gift of the subcontinent to the world rather than appropriation. Masters of several paths sent teachers out to teach world over. Though some of the bastardizations are problematic. That which was given cannot be stolen but as the latter instance it can be corrupted.
When I started reading the above I thought, mistakenly: at last, some sympathy. And sense too (minus all the insinuating that the alien terrorists' skin-colour is relevant somehow): someone else sees that this "democratic voting" sharade is no more than a cover for stealing in broad daylight and gloating while they do it. The christo(conditioned) west has stopped openly saying "finders keepers" (as was used in claiming native American land) although "Finders Keepers" became nine-tenths of western law at some point. But the argument for alien appropriation is more evolved and fine-tuned now: "Yoga was always everybody's, it belongs to everyone/the cosmos, it's spiritual/universal, Hindus have no right to insist it has anything Hindu about it and we need not recognise that it does". (The way the christowest now has evolved more high-level arguments on why they have the right to *continue* keeping stolen Hindu Temple vigrahas and are not required to return them to Hindus.)
From my starting off pleased to read that someone (presumably non-Indian) could recognise the theft, I came to the bit where it essentially said Yoga was "actually of the pre-Vedic religion of the IVC" (also: why plural for Vedic religion?), thus parroting the notions that wackypedian lobbiers - and many other Indians elsewhere - are trying to promote, and it became clear that Hindus will always get the short end. (And I do mean all Hindus. It's not at all only the Brahmanas that are targeted: the unnamed are the worst off - after all, they're not even recognised!) Even when it is Hindus' own religion that is at stake, and there's finally some reasoned sympathy arguing against alien theft of Yoga, this sympathy is redirected elsewhere and Hindus' native Vedic religion is made not only peculiarly alien but is also made out to be not related to (it's the meaning of "not the origin of") Yoga.
Another thing I disagree with is the final lines: Yoga "a gift to the world"? Why? Because new-ageist "spiritual" jetsetters and alien-recruiters of Hindu origin took bottled pseudo-yoga lite overseas and sold it to every dabbler who showed interest?
And Hindus would recognise all this as Yoga ... why again?
Then again, the whole advantage (and a source of amusement) is watching the aliens imagine they have yoga and have learnt it.
Of course, some less half-witted aliens have realised by now that they don't in fact have any of it and are grasping - even as we speak - to steal the "real yoga" from India, thinking that if only they pore over more stolen Hindoo texts that don't concern them and get more materials digitised - even as they murder Hindu religion in its own home (yes, it's the Same people doing both, it's always the Same people) - that they will then finally have real Yoga and Tantra and all that can be gained from these.
But I'm reminded of Hindoos' Divine Mother, who memorably sent that dabbler - whats-his-face - 'Arthur Avalon' utterly mad: sent him back to christianism <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' /> A suitable punishment for him. And so he never even found his way back to his own ancestral religion either (which was Not Hindus' religion, obviously, him being a Briton). So many dabblers "converts" keep getting sent back all the time to the dreary hell-hole that is christianism - never to be seen trying *even* "paganism/new-ageism" again - it's quite encouraging.