So angry.
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The hypocrisy is stunning.
There are countless Hindus who were never allowed deekSham into the Vedas - I'm not here to whine about feeling personally neglected (I can take a hit, plus on principle I will not try for anything that Hindooos far more Hindu than I'll ever be haven't been thoroughly authoritatively allowed. <- I oddly find the ..."principle" weighs heavier on me than even my inner greed for deeply Hindoo stuffs. But that inner greed is shallow in me - as everything is with me - and not like its steady depth in the Hindoooos I speak of).
Oh but the minute western people evince interest in dabbling in the Vedas - my gawd - Indians have to drool all over them. (And the dabblers in this case are Italians from the Vatican no less. Anyone taking bets yet on how the dabbling will slowly turn out to be catholic inculturation on the Vedas? With this sastrigal - and his pathashala - ending up as the latest Useful Idiots.
The Italians could well start their own Veda Pathashala next and be giving out "deeksha" to all aliens including catholics and slowly de-Hinduise it. And if not them, some of their students or offspring certainly will.
A la that catholic leela samson's stint taking over some bharatanatyam centre and creating a whole gaggle of "danseuses" slowly but certainly degrading the Hindu Bharatanatyam into "secular" hence "christian" stuff.)
Letting Vatican dabblers in.* What are people thinking? I'm certain Hindus will in future be paying through their nose for this one too. Nothing good *ever* came out of inducting the dabbling aliens.
I don't care if these Italian dabblers are supposedly "genuine" "seekers" (or whatever the new-age term is that I should be using): if they were genuine, would they not be in Hellenismos?
(*How christoconditioned do people imagine ex-christians in catholic territory are??? What is their success rate of properly deconverting, let alone of properly reverting to *any* heathenism, forget converting to a heathenism that isn't even their ancestral one.)
You know how "orthodox" Hindus like the Shankara MaThams regularly get derided for being "orthodox" and not just going with the flow? But I like their spine in saying a blind NO to all aliens who want to dabble. Because aliens are not allowed.
Still can't get over the ocean of native Hindoos who have the Gods tattoed all over their hearts and faces, and who've been solemnly in love with their Vedam from an unfair distance (I know they're in love with it: I've heard them hum along to the CDs playing in the background and even recite along to bits of it, sometimes without knowing it's a Veda sooktam; and always looking evidently deeply moved by the sounds).
But no: no initiation from "sastrigals" for them. They're overlooked.
Whatever rights to Hindu stuffs that these Hindoos have gained, they have had to fight for (or other Hindoos had to fight for these rights for them). And yet they are *native* Hindoos: all this ought to be their birthright. Surely? I mean, if some can think aliens can be inducted so easily into these and other mantras, or can even be considered for entry? (Even though it should actually *never* be granted aliens.)
How I hate this hypocrisy, this two-facedness. And a cruelly unfair one at that.
And what is it that makes Hindus such abominable traitors? I mean, it was bad enough to find out about the existence of "Hindus" of brahmana origin settled in the west ready to teach the Vedam to every dabbler. (And which dabblers always turned out to be nightmares. example, though the stuff that the quoted material links to has moved.)
But worse still is to find out that some "sastrigal" (please x 3 let it be a compromised fraud, not some naive entity) from my own backyard (TN) teaching *aliens* the Vedam. Bij Donar.
And did these people ever even think about the Hindoos? You know, the many Hindoos of TN who collect CDs of vedamantras recited by Sastrigal in order to at least take part in the Vedas that way? Do such Hindoos matter at all? I just don't get it. Are they not deserving?
And are aliens - the western dabbling entities - not the Most Undeserving? But Hindus will make excuses for them like "they're better than many Indian Hindus I know" etc. Not unless you make the exception the new rule. (But they can be *better* only in their *own* heathen religions, not in that of Hindus.)
The Vedas are at the heart of the very things that Hindus should have been protecting from mlechChas. And they did, for millennia. But now, some traitors will sell it to any alien dabbler who comes calling - desperate to have western people seen "doing" Hindu religion, or desperate for "converts", or desperate period. Yet the native Hindoos still get bypassed and overlooked, taken for granted. Though *they* never gave me reason to question their loyalty, or the attachment of the Gods to them.
I've stopped counting how many online Hindus sell mantras to aliens or allow aliens into their cliques, all while preaching some partial orthodoxy for a new world. (But then give aliens equal claims to Hindu women too, nah? I mean, when they can already have even the Vedam and other core mantras, why not your women? <- Why pedantically hang on to notions that are far less important?)
I'm fast losing sympathy for Hindus. They cannot - will not - protect their religion. They sell its most private, sacred aspects so fast - and to the Most Dubious - like it's worthless. (And yet never think to share it with the deserving of their own: the native Hindoos.)
Like Bhishma counting the arrows that struck dearest, I've looked over all the fatal arrows that have pierced the Hindoo body and the most deadly are all from "Hindus" alone: the ones who opened the gates wide to enemies such as by turning Hindu religion into some "universal/please come dabble" thing, despite it being an ethnic religion.
Indians, and angelsk-speaking Hindus especially, are too infatuated with the idea of western people dabbling in Hindu religion*. So I'm sure they'll all be falling over themselves welcoming this latest nightmare.
(* Actually they're too infatuated with western people period - for all the wrong reasons: they're infatuated with *dabblers*, but not with the many terribly likeable unreligious western people or with the much rarer proper western heathens.)
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Quote:23 Italians receive Hindu Diksha
09/08/2012 03:39:35 newindianexpress.com/states/tamil_nadu/article583641.ece
As many as 23 Italian citizens from Vatican received Diksha from Brahmasree Veda Samrat A Raja Sastrigal at a Veda Patasala (religious school) at Karuvadikuppam here on Sunday. The three-hour ceremony was held at the Gomaatha Kovil amidst chanting of mantras and hymns by the Italian devotees.
The Italian team (consisting of four children) comprised professionals like teachers, doctors and engineers. All of them had undergone a basic course under Raja Sastrigal in Vatican, before coming here. It all began with one Italian man, Flavio, who got influenced by the Hindu way of life, [color="#0000FF"]came into contact[/color] with Raja Sastrigal, way back in 2001. [color="#FF0000"]Sastrigal went to Vatican[/color] and stayed there for three months to teach Flavio, and his wife Stepano, the basics of Sanskrit hymns and Vedas. Over the years, the couple has gathered followers, who were also influenced by Hindu spirituality.
The couple developed their diction and pronunciation over the years. The few local people assembled were astonished to hear the Italiansââ¬â¢ [color="#FF0000"]near[/color]-perfect rendering of Sri Rurdram Chamakam, Rudrajapam, Srisuktham, and portions from Upanishads.
Flavio and Stepano even changed their Italian names, adopting Hindu names Shivananda Saraswati and Savithri. Aurora, an Italian team members, told Express that she believes India is a Karmabhoomi and the Hindu way of life has led to understanding herself better.
The Italian lady, who is now known as Lalitha, said she would follow the footsteps of her Guru Shivananda Saraswati. The training for chanting the mantras and hymns lasted for about three hours and Raja Sastrigal performed kalasa theertha (sprinkling of holy water) on the trainees as per the rituals of the Hindu religion at the end.
Full report with images @
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The hypocrisy is stunning.
There are countless Hindus who were never allowed deekSham into the Vedas - I'm not here to whine about feeling personally neglected (I can take a hit, plus on principle I will not try for anything that Hindooos far more Hindu than I'll ever be haven't been thoroughly authoritatively allowed. <- I oddly find the ..."principle" weighs heavier on me than even my inner greed for deeply Hindoo stuffs. But that inner greed is shallow in me - as everything is with me - and not like its steady depth in the Hindoooos I speak of).
Oh but the minute western people evince interest in dabbling in the Vedas - my gawd - Indians have to drool all over them. (And the dabblers in this case are Italians from the Vatican no less. Anyone taking bets yet on how the dabbling will slowly turn out to be catholic inculturation on the Vedas? With this sastrigal - and his pathashala - ending up as the latest Useful Idiots.
The Italians could well start their own Veda Pathashala next and be giving out "deeksha" to all aliens including catholics and slowly de-Hinduise it. And if not them, some of their students or offspring certainly will.
A la that catholic leela samson's stint taking over some bharatanatyam centre and creating a whole gaggle of "danseuses" slowly but certainly degrading the Hindu Bharatanatyam into "secular" hence "christian" stuff.)
Letting Vatican dabblers in.* What are people thinking? I'm certain Hindus will in future be paying through their nose for this one too. Nothing good *ever* came out of inducting the dabbling aliens.
I don't care if these Italian dabblers are supposedly "genuine" "seekers" (or whatever the new-age term is that I should be using): if they were genuine, would they not be in Hellenismos?
(*How christoconditioned do people imagine ex-christians in catholic territory are??? What is their success rate of properly deconverting, let alone of properly reverting to *any* heathenism, forget converting to a heathenism that isn't even their ancestral one.)
You know how "orthodox" Hindus like the Shankara MaThams regularly get derided for being "orthodox" and not just going with the flow? But I like their spine in saying a blind NO to all aliens who want to dabble. Because aliens are not allowed.
Still can't get over the ocean of native Hindoos who have the Gods tattoed all over their hearts and faces, and who've been solemnly in love with their Vedam from an unfair distance (I know they're in love with it: I've heard them hum along to the CDs playing in the background and even recite along to bits of it, sometimes without knowing it's a Veda sooktam; and always looking evidently deeply moved by the sounds).
But no: no initiation from "sastrigals" for them. They're overlooked.
Whatever rights to Hindu stuffs that these Hindoos have gained, they have had to fight for (or other Hindoos had to fight for these rights for them). And yet they are *native* Hindoos: all this ought to be their birthright. Surely? I mean, if some can think aliens can be inducted so easily into these and other mantras, or can even be considered for entry? (Even though it should actually *never* be granted aliens.)
How I hate this hypocrisy, this two-facedness. And a cruelly unfair one at that.
And what is it that makes Hindus such abominable traitors? I mean, it was bad enough to find out about the existence of "Hindus" of brahmana origin settled in the west ready to teach the Vedam to every dabbler. (And which dabblers always turned out to be nightmares. example, though the stuff that the quoted material links to has moved.)
But worse still is to find out that some "sastrigal" (please x 3 let it be a compromised fraud, not some naive entity) from my own backyard (TN) teaching *aliens* the Vedam. Bij Donar.
And did these people ever even think about the Hindoos? You know, the many Hindoos of TN who collect CDs of vedamantras recited by Sastrigal in order to at least take part in the Vedas that way? Do such Hindoos matter at all? I just don't get it. Are they not deserving?
And are aliens - the western dabbling entities - not the Most Undeserving? But Hindus will make excuses for them like "they're better than many Indian Hindus I know" etc. Not unless you make the exception the new rule. (But they can be *better* only in their *own* heathen religions, not in that of Hindus.)
The Vedas are at the heart of the very things that Hindus should have been protecting from mlechChas. And they did, for millennia. But now, some traitors will sell it to any alien dabbler who comes calling - desperate to have western people seen "doing" Hindu religion, or desperate for "converts", or desperate period. Yet the native Hindoos still get bypassed and overlooked, taken for granted. Though *they* never gave me reason to question their loyalty, or the attachment of the Gods to them.
I've stopped counting how many online Hindus sell mantras to aliens or allow aliens into their cliques, all while preaching some partial orthodoxy for a new world. (But then give aliens equal claims to Hindu women too, nah? I mean, when they can already have even the Vedam and other core mantras, why not your women? <- Why pedantically hang on to notions that are far less important?)
I'm fast losing sympathy for Hindus. They cannot - will not - protect their religion. They sell its most private, sacred aspects so fast - and to the Most Dubious - like it's worthless. (And yet never think to share it with the deserving of their own: the native Hindoos.)
Like Bhishma counting the arrows that struck dearest, I've looked over all the fatal arrows that have pierced the Hindoo body and the most deadly are all from "Hindus" alone: the ones who opened the gates wide to enemies such as by turning Hindu religion into some "universal/please come dabble" thing, despite it being an ethnic religion.
Indians, and angelsk-speaking Hindus especially, are too infatuated with the idea of western people dabbling in Hindu religion*. So I'm sure they'll all be falling over themselves welcoming this latest nightmare.
(* Actually they're too infatuated with western people period - for all the wrong reasons: they're infatuated with *dabblers*, but not with the many terribly likeable unreligious western people or with the much rarer proper western heathens.)
Death to traitors.