Post 2/2
There's something rather crucial that Hindus need to keep in mind at all times about the historical progression and current state of the west, especially in the context of where some "Hindus" now seem bent on inviting the west to convert (forget allowing other Hindus to teach the west to dabble in the Vedam):
- In the early centuries CE, christianism systematically tracked down and persecuted a major chunk of heathenism in what's now called Europe out of existence. (Christianism repeated this with the last vestiges of established European heathenism in the medieval period with its crusades in the NE of Europe. And Iceland too was converted during a late time. But the rest of Europe had been christian for a long time by then.)
- in the medieval period, long-converted Europe only threw up *heresies*, new-ageisms (a.o.t. genuine heathen revivals) and various types of "witchcraft". About the last: McCabe trudges through documents to show a following for 'lucifer' - just as satanism continues to coexist along with christianism today.
So except for Gemistius Plethon (a fluke), Europe's inability to produce proper reversions to heathenism even at times long before now (hence closer in period to its own heathenism's existence), says something.
Christianised Europe had *murdered* out heathenism, then it bred out heathenism. (It thereafter also murdered out heresies and continued to murder out the Jews etc. But the topic here is heathenism.)
All the most heathen - i.e. the loyally, trustworthily heathen - *died* for their religion in the early centuries of conversion itself: note these are the inconvertibles -they didn't convert - so their genetic lines were/are dead. They've left no offspring. It was only the converted and the convertibles who survived and were allowed to breed.
*That* is the final tally of Christianised Europe's breeding and extermination program: it selectively *bred* christianism in place of the heathenism it systematically exterminated. Each living christian family copulated with further christian families. This is how a near purely "christian" society came to exist in Europe, and why its character has been so unrelentingly christian, so christoconditioned, so repeatedly reverting (u-turning) to christianism.
It is now part of their character, their psyche.
These are the people who populated the "colonies": the Americas, Australasia, South Africa and other Spanish, Portuguese, French and English settlements. The same mindset, all the mindset.
Of the *dissenters* now being thrown up (as also in the past), by far most are therefore invariably christoconditioned:
- atheists and agnostics. Their POV of the world is entirely based on a christian backdrop that they do not wish to be a part of. Having relinquished christianism doesn't mean they are attracted to (or can understand) heathenism. Not even their own kind. You can see this in Elst.
- comparatively many new-ageists, neo-pagans and people with a tendency to want to dabble in real heathenisms either via "reconstructionism" or by invading/inviting themselves to sup on *others* heathenism.
These are people who also do not understand heathenism: they have a perverted ("reconstructed") view of heathenism, including their own. What to say of the heathenism of others, which was never their own and not familiar to their minds?
But next to the above 2 types of dissenters to the christian society created in Europeans' living space, there's also the extremely rare exception:
In comparison to the relatively far larger number of atheists/agnostics and new-age/neopagans, there's a very few genuine heathens that Europe now and then tosses out. A low-probability outlier emanating from the long-controlled gene pool. A fluke, if you will. Some great fortunate coincidence. And these few individuals return to their *ancestral* religion, to their *ancestral* Gods. Indeed, their ancestral Gods seem to know to claim all of these from childhood, and these people consequently end up practising their ancestral religion from a young age. (Not some reconstructed notion of their ancestral religion. These are heathens. Not wannabe frauds.)
So you need not "worry" about Europe: as all the genuine heathens of European-origin always make it back to their religion. The rest have sanctuary from christianism in atheism and agnosticism which christianism can (for now) no longer persecute by death.
But the dabblers (especially those dabbling in others' heathen religions) are not heathens at all and *deserve* to be turned away. Actually, dabblers/alien "converts" are particularly dangerous: being christoconditioned, they always have a sense of entitlement to others' heathen religion (which manifests in predictable ways, especially when dabblers/"converts" get denied access). They think they have a *right* to others' religion and Gods.
There are also a very few people of European-origin who - despite being of a heathen mindset - are a bit confused and end up in others' heathen religion (e.g. that British colonial stationed in India, Stuart, sounds like one), though all people really belong in their own ancestral heathenism. <- This unfortunate confusion too is the fault of christianism: if it weren't for christianism all loyal-hearted European-origin heathens would still be in their own ancestral religions, devotedly attached to their own ancestral Gods, instead of pursuing other' religions and others' Gods, let alone anyone dabbling in these. Again: if it were not for christianism, Hindu and Daoist religions wouldn't be witnessing this regular attack by alien dabblers inviting themselves over, feeling they have the "right" to any if not all heathenism. If it weren't for christianism, there'd be no neopaganism (and no need for reconstructionisms), no oryanism, no mleccha's "vedic purism" nonsense etc, and no mlecchas insinuating themselves to learn the Vedam.
Consider how the traditional (ethnic) Daoists - for example - don't dabble: because they were never divorced from their religion=Gods. Neither do traditional Hindus dabble in others' heathenism, for the same reason. All these are too busy happily following their own religions and Gods and not only have a heathen mindset, but the correct one for their religion (it's transmitted by local heathen community: family, surroundings, though the proclivity is still inherited). They - heathen populations of unbroken heathen lineage - don't pretend to belong to or to have any claim to others' ancestral religions/others' ancestral Gods (i.e. no "entitlement" mentality as seen in dabblers). <- And that is how the various European populations would have been too now, if the christoclass mindvirus hadn't come along. Indeed, that is quite how Europeans were before christianism. But as I said, christianism's extermination and breeding programmes bred that out.
But by allowing and encouraging dabbling - including by recognising and enabling "converts" - Hindus are encouraging a spin-off of christianism, perpetuating christoconditioning: dabbling being a spin-off of christianism, and which keeps western heathens away from their ancestral religion/Gods. (Also, Hindus' religion seems to regularly fry the christoconditioned dabbling aliens' brains, and this boomerangs on Hindus and Hindus' own religion, so it really is the worst option.) If Hindus really wanted to help genuine western seekers, they'd tell them all to return to their ancestral Gods/religions. That is where everyone belongs: in their own ancestral religion (which is never christianism/islam or any proselytising religion, of course). Whether they recover it or not, they must *attempt* to regain it (and not by oryanist-reconstructionism or new-agey neopaganism: that's guaranteed to be an enterprise that's dead in the water). Western people with proclivities to heathenism must diligently pursue their own ancestral Gods, who - if and once attained - will restore their religion and the umbilical cord between the western populations and their Gods. <- The "umbilical cord" is something that every indigenous population has with their own ancestral Gods.
Gods are the only key to proper reconstruction of any heathen religion that has been damaged by the christoclass virus, since Gods are the repositories of their own religion. (E.g. can recall how IIRC Apollo is the God of Philosophy and hence taught the Hellenes Philosophy.) Once the west has their Gods they will have *everything* again. <- That much is guaranteed, though it is predicated on the very significant task of their recovering their Gods first (which requires them to cultivate the right mindset of their Gods, which in turn requires they shed a lot of modern nonsense accumulated about their Gods). While that's no easy task, the very few born-heathens in Europe have managed it effortlessly. The Gods of Europe never "died"/disappeared, because they can't.
So surely it can be done. But that depends on how badly the western heathens want it.
But many western people don't want their own ancestral heathenism, they just want to dabble in others' heathenism. And, like I said, these entities should be banned. They aren't heathens at all. Yet these are the very people India's religion-salesmen always congratulate themselves on having acquired and who then get *foisted* on mainstream traditional Hindu society which never sought and does not want "converts".
There's something rather crucial that Hindus need to keep in mind at all times about the historical progression and current state of the west, especially in the context of where some "Hindus" now seem bent on inviting the west to convert (forget allowing other Hindus to teach the west to dabble in the Vedam):
- In the early centuries CE, christianism systematically tracked down and persecuted a major chunk of heathenism in what's now called Europe out of existence. (Christianism repeated this with the last vestiges of established European heathenism in the medieval period with its crusades in the NE of Europe. And Iceland too was converted during a late time. But the rest of Europe had been christian for a long time by then.)
- in the medieval period, long-converted Europe only threw up *heresies*, new-ageisms (a.o.t. genuine heathen revivals) and various types of "witchcraft". About the last: McCabe trudges through documents to show a following for 'lucifer' - just as satanism continues to coexist along with christianism today.
So except for Gemistius Plethon (a fluke), Europe's inability to produce proper reversions to heathenism even at times long before now (hence closer in period to its own heathenism's existence), says something.
Christianised Europe had *murdered* out heathenism, then it bred out heathenism. (It thereafter also murdered out heresies and continued to murder out the Jews etc. But the topic here is heathenism.)
All the most heathen - i.e. the loyally, trustworthily heathen - *died* for their religion in the early centuries of conversion itself: note these are the inconvertibles -they didn't convert - so their genetic lines were/are dead. They've left no offspring. It was only the converted and the convertibles who survived and were allowed to breed.
*That* is the final tally of Christianised Europe's breeding and extermination program: it selectively *bred* christianism in place of the heathenism it systematically exterminated. Each living christian family copulated with further christian families. This is how a near purely "christian" society came to exist in Europe, and why its character has been so unrelentingly christian, so christoconditioned, so repeatedly reverting (u-turning) to christianism.
It is now part of their character, their psyche.
These are the people who populated the "colonies": the Americas, Australasia, South Africa and other Spanish, Portuguese, French and English settlements. The same mindset, all the mindset.
Of the *dissenters* now being thrown up (as also in the past), by far most are therefore invariably christoconditioned:
- atheists and agnostics. Their POV of the world is entirely based on a christian backdrop that they do not wish to be a part of. Having relinquished christianism doesn't mean they are attracted to (or can understand) heathenism. Not even their own kind. You can see this in Elst.
- comparatively many new-ageists, neo-pagans and people with a tendency to want to dabble in real heathenisms either via "reconstructionism" or by invading/inviting themselves to sup on *others* heathenism.
These are people who also do not understand heathenism: they have a perverted ("reconstructed") view of heathenism, including their own. What to say of the heathenism of others, which was never their own and not familiar to their minds?
But next to the above 2 types of dissenters to the christian society created in Europeans' living space, there's also the extremely rare exception:
In comparison to the relatively far larger number of atheists/agnostics and new-age/neopagans, there's a very few genuine heathens that Europe now and then tosses out. A low-probability outlier emanating from the long-controlled gene pool. A fluke, if you will. Some great fortunate coincidence. And these few individuals return to their *ancestral* religion, to their *ancestral* Gods. Indeed, their ancestral Gods seem to know to claim all of these from childhood, and these people consequently end up practising their ancestral religion from a young age. (Not some reconstructed notion of their ancestral religion. These are heathens. Not wannabe frauds.)
So you need not "worry" about Europe: as all the genuine heathens of European-origin always make it back to their religion. The rest have sanctuary from christianism in atheism and agnosticism which christianism can (for now) no longer persecute by death.
But the dabblers (especially those dabbling in others' heathen religions) are not heathens at all and *deserve* to be turned away. Actually, dabblers/alien "converts" are particularly dangerous: being christoconditioned, they always have a sense of entitlement to others' heathen religion (which manifests in predictable ways, especially when dabblers/"converts" get denied access). They think they have a *right* to others' religion and Gods.
There are also a very few people of European-origin who - despite being of a heathen mindset - are a bit confused and end up in others' heathen religion (e.g. that British colonial stationed in India, Stuart, sounds like one), though all people really belong in their own ancestral heathenism. <- This unfortunate confusion too is the fault of christianism: if it weren't for christianism all loyal-hearted European-origin heathens would still be in their own ancestral religions, devotedly attached to their own ancestral Gods, instead of pursuing other' religions and others' Gods, let alone anyone dabbling in these. Again: if it were not for christianism, Hindu and Daoist religions wouldn't be witnessing this regular attack by alien dabblers inviting themselves over, feeling they have the "right" to any if not all heathenism. If it weren't for christianism, there'd be no neopaganism (and no need for reconstructionisms), no oryanism, no mleccha's "vedic purism" nonsense etc, and no mlecchas insinuating themselves to learn the Vedam.
Consider how the traditional (ethnic) Daoists - for example - don't dabble: because they were never divorced from their religion=Gods. Neither do traditional Hindus dabble in others' heathenism, for the same reason. All these are too busy happily following their own religions and Gods and not only have a heathen mindset, but the correct one for their religion (it's transmitted by local heathen community: family, surroundings, though the proclivity is still inherited). They - heathen populations of unbroken heathen lineage - don't pretend to belong to or to have any claim to others' ancestral religions/others' ancestral Gods (i.e. no "entitlement" mentality as seen in dabblers). <- And that is how the various European populations would have been too now, if the christoclass mindvirus hadn't come along. Indeed, that is quite how Europeans were before christianism. But as I said, christianism's extermination and breeding programmes bred that out.
But by allowing and encouraging dabbling - including by recognising and enabling "converts" - Hindus are encouraging a spin-off of christianism, perpetuating christoconditioning: dabbling being a spin-off of christianism, and which keeps western heathens away from their ancestral religion/Gods. (Also, Hindus' religion seems to regularly fry the christoconditioned dabbling aliens' brains, and this boomerangs on Hindus and Hindus' own religion, so it really is the worst option.) If Hindus really wanted to help genuine western seekers, they'd tell them all to return to their ancestral Gods/religions. That is where everyone belongs: in their own ancestral religion (which is never christianism/islam or any proselytising religion, of course). Whether they recover it or not, they must *attempt* to regain it (and not by oryanist-reconstructionism or new-agey neopaganism: that's guaranteed to be an enterprise that's dead in the water). Western people with proclivities to heathenism must diligently pursue their own ancestral Gods, who - if and once attained - will restore their religion and the umbilical cord between the western populations and their Gods. <- The "umbilical cord" is something that every indigenous population has with their own ancestral Gods.
Gods are the only key to proper reconstruction of any heathen religion that has been damaged by the christoclass virus, since Gods are the repositories of their own religion. (E.g. can recall how IIRC Apollo is the God of Philosophy and hence taught the Hellenes Philosophy.) Once the west has their Gods they will have *everything* again. <- That much is guaranteed, though it is predicated on the very significant task of their recovering their Gods first (which requires them to cultivate the right mindset of their Gods, which in turn requires they shed a lot of modern nonsense accumulated about their Gods). While that's no easy task, the very few born-heathens in Europe have managed it effortlessly. The Gods of Europe never "died"/disappeared, because they can't.
So surely it can be done. But that depends on how badly the western heathens want it.
But many western people don't want their own ancestral heathenism, they just want to dabble in others' heathenism. And, like I said, these entities should be banned. They aren't heathens at all. Yet these are the very people India's religion-salesmen always congratulate themselves on having acquired and who then get *foisted* on mainstream traditional Hindu society which never sought and does not want "converts".
Death to traitors.