There appear to be two threads on bollywho. But there doesn't appear to be a "bollywood on their brains" thread. If there were, the following fits in there:
indiatoday.intoday.in/story/carnatic-musicians-oscar-nominated-lullaby-for-life-of-pi-faces-plagiarism-charge/1/242238.html
Elsewhere, people mentioned that even the melody seems to be lifted directly from the traditional rendering of the Malayali original. So much so that Malayalis who'd watched the movie thought that it *was* the same song that they'd heard as children (though transcribed into tamizh for the film). The reason this last too is relevant, is that Jayashree's claim seems to be that she didn't just sing it and pen the lyrics, but that she created the melody as well.
I guess it wasn't until the oscar nomination that people discovered that Jayashree had launched claims to owning not just the voice track, but the words and the tune as well... (Nominated in the "original" score or "original" song category, isn't it?)
If this turns out to be true - as it reasonably seems to be, going by the details in the above article - Jayashree looks to be chasing global attention (doing trite bollywho vocals for large numbers of "secular" christoislamic movies not enough for her? *)
Now if she's that desperate, why not *actually* write her own lyrics and melody? That way, if she won something, it would actually be because she earned it*.
Else, if she's going to use or copy existing work, give due credit. Or at a minimum, you don't put your name to it either. That way it makes things even when everyone else's name is left uncredited too.
Yuck.
Also, (moral
if you're going to cheat, at the very least, don't get caught. Because incompetence at plagiarism just spells failure twice over.
* As I recall, Jayashree and other such kafirs provided vocals for an "islamic devotional" album too. <- From the spotchecking I did of the songs, the singers couldn't save the album try as hard as they might, as it ranks right up there with The Worst background Music I've ever heard. Then again, the composers were islamic, so it was to be expected and I was smugly pleased that they didn't even try to surprise me by presenting some iota of musical talent. Sure they mustered all they could, but produced a total trainwreck anyway. :too bad:
Interestingly, IIRC *all* the vocalists on that islamic album were Hindu mercenaries hired to sing about allah. Very curious.
Meanwhile, in islamic countries, musical albums - without or especially with muslim lyrical content - would be banned (islamic injunction, certainly was in force in the past, and still does the rounds now and again), but in India, islam is desperate I suppose, as it faces severe competition from Hindus' religion which is far more attractive because heathen religions create (it's built-in), while missionising religions - being false/a lie and hence a big zero - consequently have no generative core and hence can only parasite by competing and inculturing as christianism does.
Still, I predict that the oscar committee persons won't let the probable plagiarism here factor into their deciding on which song gets the award. Hindoo-made music is so obscure to them, that the west plagiarised it quite a number of times and got away without anyone noticing it. Anyone else get annoyed with how the Dune miniseries had a carnatic singer's alaapana vocal track set as the pseudo mid-eastern taliban's background music? (Track's called "Paul's Vision". Extremely jarring to hear typical Hindoo carnatic mixed with unmatched synthesized sounds that go against the raagam and singing.) Can't believe Revell wrote reams about how he "investigated" and respected "middle-eastern" music. <- The west thinks Hindu India and its "culture" is actually the islamic middle-east. (I've heard of people being bad at geography before - okay, :guilty: - but this is overdoing it...) That's why the west regularly keeps associating and hence crediting *Hindu* music to islamic Arabia and Iran. I hope Revell didn't imagine his Carnatic track on the album counts among his "innovative" compositions for the mini-series, because the singing was straightforward typical carnatic vocalising... (but I guess Revell knew his audience wouldn't know that)
The rest of the Dune mini's OST wasn't bad, but it and more so Children of Dune's OST were in many ways just a rehash of Zimmer and Dead-Can-Dance's Lisa Gerard's scoring work for Gladiator, so nothing original. Indeed, Gladiator's celebrated score was itself an attempt at an east/west "ethnic" sound that was an obvious throwback to Gabriel and Ravi Shankar's "The Last Temptation of Christ"'s east "west" fusion OST called IIRC "The Passion" (which leaned far more on the east than on the west). That last was an earlier instance where Hindu music of India (and Hindu-inspired Pak music) was substituted for the Middle-East, including even the Jewish lands... and associated with christianism :What?: (So the tally is that the west eagerly chooses to associate/claim Hindu music for islam and christianism...) LToC started the "ethnic" trend: where Indian musical motifs got turned into some generic, unspecified "ethnic" music. Nowadays often doing the rounds (in the late 90s/early 2000s, you could see digitally-generated tabla music accompanying a lot of documentaries. Many of them badly done, though I admit I liked seeing some small South American(?) rodent species hop about in slow-mo to IIRC tabla-like percussion, with Attenborough smiling on. <- See, I wasn't the only one smiling.)
Back to the Dune mini: it wasn't the first sci-fi to use blatant Hindu music in one of its tracks either. The very excellent Blade-runner OST used traditional Hindu music in its "Damask Rose" track (the raagam is Yamuna Kalyani IMO: though I'm generally utterly hopeless at working out raagas - my parents laugh at my guesses, with good reason - the violin and singer here follows close enough to the very melody of MSS' opening to Bhavayami Gopalabalam - you know, the bit of the raagam she enters into before she starts singing the lyrics), and yet it was presented it as a new/unique sound of the future. The rest of the album is definitely futuristic sounding, but not that track, despite synths in the backgrounds. Again, "Damask Rose": Damask -> Damascus = Syria not India. Yet the song is Hindu Indian, not middle-eastern.
Well, at least the Damask Rose track sounds nice (it should: MSS' short dwelling on the raagam to Bhavayami is classic and unforgettable; and I have a soft spot for Vangelis, plus his BGM for the singing didn't jar. Also, this is Blade Runner. Not complaining.)
<Ended up listening to the album.>
I suppose Indians of Hindu background plagiarising Hindu music to entertain a western audience - which finds it all quaintly novel - can be seen as a new development in the existing trend of the west's using India's Hindu music and pretending it is western "innovation" and then further associating Hindu music with the Middle-East instead. Hey, who knows, maybe Jayashree's stint on the earlier-mentioned islamic devotional album can get her and islam a grammy despite the horrendous BGM? Wouldn't that just make a perfect summary for the whole affair?
At least this film featuring Jayashree, "Life of Pi", I hear is directed by Ang Lee (?). Which surely can't be a bad thing. The last film of his that I remember was that Daoist martial arts saga - Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon - involving fighters from the famed Daoist mountain (Wu Tan mountain, was it? sp?). Ah, wire-fu. Michelle Yeoh, the Taiwanese guy in the desert, etc. Bamboo greens. Traditional Chinese background music. = Good film.
indiatoday.intoday.in/story/carnatic-musicians-oscar-nominated-lullaby-for-life-of-pi-faces-plagiarism-charge/1/242238.html
Quote:Carnatic musician's Oscar nominated lullaby for Life of Pi faces plagiarism charge
A. Harikumar
Thiruvananthapuram, January 14, 2013 | UPDATED 21:36 IST
A Tamil lullaby penned and sung by Carnatic musician and playback singer Bombay Jayashree, for the film 'Life of Pi' which has been nominated for Oscars has come under the allegation of plagiarism with descendants of a legendary Malayalam poet Ravi Varman Thamby popularly known as Irayimman Thamby (1782-1856) claiming that it is a translation of the late poet's lullaby.
Jayashree's song has been nominated for Oscars in the category of [color="#0000FF"]original[/color] score.
[color="#0000FF"]N. Krishna Varma, chairman of Irayimman Thambi Trust[/color] based at Cherthala in Alappuzha district in Kerala and Rukmini Bhai Thampuratty secretary of [color="#0000FF"]The Trust said Jayashree has copied first eight lines of the lullaby written by Thamby around 200 years ago. They said they were alerted by vigilant fans of the late poet about the song and have collected primary evidence in the issue.[/color] Varma said the trust is moving court in the issue unless Jayashree apologises for her alleged plagiarism before the photo of Irayimman Thamby kept at his ancestral home in Cherthala.
[color="#800080"](Apparently, the new lullaby only has 10 lines. Eight of which are here said to be lifted from the existing Malayali lullaby.)[/color]
[color="#0000FF"]The lullaby "Omanathinkal Kidavo Nalla Komala Thamara Poovo" meaning "Is this the beautiful face of full moon or enticing lotus flower," was written by Thamby, a poet laureate[/color] of erstwhile Travancore King's court and [color="#0000FF"]a member of royal family for Swathi Thirunal[/color] who later became the King of Travancore.
[color="#0000FF"]According to Varma, Jayashree had asked a music historian for the original lines of Irayimman Thambi's song who provided her with it.[/color] The imagery, words and lines of Jayashree are translations of Thambi's Malayalam lines and we cannot understand [color="#0000FF"]how a translator could claim right over the song[/color], said Varma.
[color="#0000FF"]Varma said he came to know through newspapers that Jayashree had dismissed the allegation and had claimed that the words and imagery are the result of her own imagination. But we strongly oppose the claim of Jayashree that the song is her original composition. A translator cannot be author, he said.[/color]
According to him, the trust members are unanimous that the claim of Jayashree should not go uncontested and therefore we are going to court to establish truth. Let the court decide the truth, he said. Varma said he does not want money and only want to protect the right of late Thamby on his own composition.
Elsewhere, people mentioned that even the melody seems to be lifted directly from the traditional rendering of the Malayali original. So much so that Malayalis who'd watched the movie thought that it *was* the same song that they'd heard as children (though transcribed into tamizh for the film). The reason this last too is relevant, is that Jayashree's claim seems to be that she didn't just sing it and pen the lyrics, but that she created the melody as well.
I guess it wasn't until the oscar nomination that people discovered that Jayashree had launched claims to owning not just the voice track, but the words and the tune as well... (Nominated in the "original" score or "original" song category, isn't it?)
If this turns out to be true - as it reasonably seems to be, going by the details in the above article - Jayashree looks to be chasing global attention (doing trite bollywho vocals for large numbers of "secular" christoislamic movies not enough for her? *)
Now if she's that desperate, why not *actually* write her own lyrics and melody? That way, if she won something, it would actually be because she earned it*.
Else, if she's going to use or copy existing work, give due credit. Or at a minimum, you don't put your name to it either. That way it makes things even when everyone else's name is left uncredited too.
Yuck.
Also, (moral
if you're going to cheat, at the very least, don't get caught. Because incompetence at plagiarism just spells failure twice over.* As I recall, Jayashree and other such kafirs provided vocals for an "islamic devotional" album too. <- From the spotchecking I did of the songs, the singers couldn't save the album try as hard as they might, as it ranks right up there with The Worst background Music I've ever heard. Then again, the composers were islamic, so it was to be expected and I was smugly pleased that they didn't even try to surprise me by presenting some iota of musical talent. Sure they mustered all they could, but produced a total trainwreck anyway. :too bad:
Interestingly, IIRC *all* the vocalists on that islamic album were Hindu mercenaries hired to sing about allah. Very curious.
Meanwhile, in islamic countries, musical albums - without or especially with muslim lyrical content - would be banned (islamic injunction, certainly was in force in the past, and still does the rounds now and again), but in India, islam is desperate I suppose, as it faces severe competition from Hindus' religion which is far more attractive because heathen religions create (it's built-in), while missionising religions - being false/a lie and hence a big zero - consequently have no generative core and hence can only parasite by competing and inculturing as christianism does.
Still, I predict that the oscar committee persons won't let the probable plagiarism here factor into their deciding on which song gets the award. Hindoo-made music is so obscure to them, that the west plagiarised it quite a number of times and got away without anyone noticing it. Anyone else get annoyed with how the Dune miniseries had a carnatic singer's alaapana vocal track set as the pseudo mid-eastern taliban's background music? (Track's called "Paul's Vision". Extremely jarring to hear typical Hindoo carnatic mixed with unmatched synthesized sounds that go against the raagam and singing.) Can't believe Revell wrote reams about how he "investigated" and respected "middle-eastern" music. <- The west thinks Hindu India and its "culture" is actually the islamic middle-east. (I've heard of people being bad at geography before - okay, :guilty: - but this is overdoing it...) That's why the west regularly keeps associating and hence crediting *Hindu* music to islamic Arabia and Iran. I hope Revell didn't imagine his Carnatic track on the album counts among his "innovative" compositions for the mini-series, because the singing was straightforward typical carnatic vocalising... (but I guess Revell knew his audience wouldn't know that)
The rest of the Dune mini's OST wasn't bad, but it and more so Children of Dune's OST were in many ways just a rehash of Zimmer and Dead-Can-Dance's Lisa Gerard's scoring work for Gladiator, so nothing original. Indeed, Gladiator's celebrated score was itself an attempt at an east/west "ethnic" sound that was an obvious throwback to Gabriel and Ravi Shankar's "The Last Temptation of Christ"'s east "west" fusion OST called IIRC "The Passion" (which leaned far more on the east than on the west). That last was an earlier instance where Hindu music of India (and Hindu-inspired Pak music) was substituted for the Middle-East, including even the Jewish lands... and associated with christianism :What?: (So the tally is that the west eagerly chooses to associate/claim Hindu music for islam and christianism...) LToC started the "ethnic" trend: where Indian musical motifs got turned into some generic, unspecified "ethnic" music. Nowadays often doing the rounds (in the late 90s/early 2000s, you could see digitally-generated tabla music accompanying a lot of documentaries. Many of them badly done, though I admit I liked seeing some small South American(?) rodent species hop about in slow-mo to IIRC tabla-like percussion, with Attenborough smiling on. <- See, I wasn't the only one smiling.)
Back to the Dune mini: it wasn't the first sci-fi to use blatant Hindu music in one of its tracks either. The very excellent Blade-runner OST used traditional Hindu music in its "Damask Rose" track (the raagam is Yamuna Kalyani IMO: though I'm generally utterly hopeless at working out raagas - my parents laugh at my guesses, with good reason - the violin and singer here follows close enough to the very melody of MSS' opening to Bhavayami Gopalabalam - you know, the bit of the raagam she enters into before she starts singing the lyrics), and yet it was presented it as a new/unique sound of the future. The rest of the album is definitely futuristic sounding, but not that track, despite synths in the backgrounds. Again, "Damask Rose": Damask -> Damascus = Syria not India. Yet the song is Hindu Indian, not middle-eastern.
Well, at least the Damask Rose track sounds nice (it should: MSS' short dwelling on the raagam to Bhavayami is classic and unforgettable; and I have a soft spot for Vangelis, plus his BGM for the singing didn't jar. Also, this is Blade Runner. Not complaining.)
<Ended up listening to the album.>
I suppose Indians of Hindu background plagiarising Hindu music to entertain a western audience - which finds it all quaintly novel - can be seen as a new development in the existing trend of the west's using India's Hindu music and pretending it is western "innovation" and then further associating Hindu music with the Middle-East instead. Hey, who knows, maybe Jayashree's stint on the earlier-mentioned islamic devotional album can get her and islam a grammy despite the horrendous BGM? Wouldn't that just make a perfect summary for the whole affair?
At least this film featuring Jayashree, "Life of Pi", I hear is directed by Ang Lee (?). Which surely can't be a bad thing. The last film of his that I remember was that Daoist martial arts saga - Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon - involving fighters from the famed Daoist mountain (Wu Tan mountain, was it? sp?). Ah, wire-fu. Michelle Yeoh, the Taiwanese guy in the desert, etc. Bamboo greens. Traditional Chinese background music. = Good film.
Death to traitors.