Post 3/?
This and the next couple of posts are on the Rig Veda.
Full quotes (with Griffith's translations) from the relevant passages from the R^ig will follow in the next post, but first the summary of the results from searching in the Rig (numbering is in Mandala form) :
1. In all the Rig Samhita, there are 4 occurences of R^iShabha: 6.16, 6.28, 10.91, 10.166.
+ The first 3 of these are all references to the animal called bull (including a subset of the bull).
+ The 4th reference uses that other Vedic meaning of Bull, which is a descriptive that's used as a superlative. The superlative descriptive use of the word is also seen in that YV (?) mantra on Indra as being "the Bull of the Chandas", where it meant that he it was who is the Dharma running through the entire Vedam, being the very Pranava Mantram that finds repeated invocation in the Vedam.
2. In all the Rig Samhita, there are 4 occurences of ariShTanemi: 1.89, 1.180, 3.53, 10.178.
+ All 4 are utterly unambiguous references to Tarkshya with ariShTanemi as his descriptive.
+ And not one of these references says anything even like the verse that the Jains have claimed was to be found in the Rig:
Note: The concordance of the Rig Samhita (the searchable index of the full text of all the shlokas in the RV Samhita) on which the searches were performed, lists in mandalas not ashtakams. So searching for the given reference by the numbering provided ("Astak 2, Varga 7, Rig Veda") was not possible. The division into aShTakas instead of maNDalas is more prevalent in the south it seems, but as the Shakala Shaka of the Rig is apparently the prominent southern version - which Shaka I think this concordance would certainly cover, since it was IIRC originally compiled by at least 1 southern Hindu in the team - searching for *all* occurrences of ariShTanemi in this concordance should cover all bases anyway.
[color="#0000FF"]3. Also searched the Rig concordance for all occurrences of "arha", since it covers arha, arhas*, arhan* which includes arhant*, arhat*, arhaN*.[/color] (And I think the search's stemming capabilities covered an avagraha prefix. Certainly seemed to cover sandhis)
Found some 20 uses of the search term rooted on "arha", plus 2 or so I wasn't too sure of (as to their relevance), but included them anyway in the search results in the next post.
[color="#0000FF"]+ All are references in the original vedic meaning of arha(n/t/N)* as "deserving/worthy" or "worship" (and related).[/color] Contrary to the claims seen on the wacky page, there is no ambiguity as to their meaning, because it is mostly used as descriptives with direct reference to the Hindu God(s) being invoked in the mantras.
+ Again, not one of the search results remotely resembled the line that Jainism alleges as existing in the Rig: "So asmakam Aristanemi svaha Arhan vibharsi sayakani dhanvarhanistam yajatam visvarupam arhannidam dayase" (Astak 2, Varga 7, Rig Veda)
No RV verse had the two words - ariShTanemi and arhan - together.
Though it must be noted that even if one were ever to find such a line as is claimed (i.e. with both ariShTanemi and arha*) - in any part of the entire chaturvedam - it still will never be a reference to the Jain Neminatha: it will firmly remain a reference to the Vedic Hindus of that name, while arhan/t* variants would likewise remain Vedic words with Vedic meanings in the Vedas even when refererring to any person there by name ariShTanemi. (By simple logic: if arhan/t* can retain its Vedic meaning when referring to Agni et al - as it does - why should it suddenly acquire the late Jainist/Buddhist meaning of Arhan/t - capital A - when referring to the Vedic ariShTanemi?)
[color="#0000FF"]EDITED:[/color] To include 3.53 reference
This and the next couple of posts are on the Rig Veda.
Full quotes (with Griffith's translations) from the relevant passages from the R^ig will follow in the next post, but first the summary of the results from searching in the Rig (numbering is in Mandala form) :
1. In all the Rig Samhita, there are 4 occurences of R^iShabha: 6.16, 6.28, 10.91, 10.166.
+ The first 3 of these are all references to the animal called bull (including a subset of the bull).
+ The 4th reference uses that other Vedic meaning of Bull, which is a descriptive that's used as a superlative. The superlative descriptive use of the word is also seen in that YV (?) mantra on Indra as being "the Bull of the Chandas", where it meant that he it was who is the Dharma running through the entire Vedam, being the very Pranava Mantram that finds repeated invocation in the Vedam.
2. In all the Rig Samhita, there are 4 occurences of ariShTanemi: 1.89, 1.180, 3.53, 10.178.
+ All 4 are utterly unambiguous references to Tarkshya with ariShTanemi as his descriptive.
+ And not one of these references says anything even like the verse that the Jains have claimed was to be found in the Rig:
Quote:So asmakam Aristanemi svaha Arhan vibharsi sayakani dhanvarhanistam yajatam visvarupam arhannidam dayase" (Astak 2, Varga 7, Rig Veda)That line isn't in the Rig. See also note 3.
Note: The concordance of the Rig Samhita (the searchable index of the full text of all the shlokas in the RV Samhita) on which the searches were performed, lists in mandalas not ashtakams. So searching for the given reference by the numbering provided ("Astak 2, Varga 7, Rig Veda") was not possible. The division into aShTakas instead of maNDalas is more prevalent in the south it seems, but as the Shakala Shaka of the Rig is apparently the prominent southern version - which Shaka I think this concordance would certainly cover, since it was IIRC originally compiled by at least 1 southern Hindu in the team - searching for *all* occurrences of ariShTanemi in this concordance should cover all bases anyway.
[color="#0000FF"]3. Also searched the Rig concordance for all occurrences of "arha", since it covers arha, arhas*, arhan* which includes arhant*, arhat*, arhaN*.[/color] (And I think the search's stemming capabilities covered an avagraha prefix. Certainly seemed to cover sandhis)
Found some 20 uses of the search term rooted on "arha", plus 2 or so I wasn't too sure of (as to their relevance), but included them anyway in the search results in the next post.
[color="#0000FF"]+ All are references in the original vedic meaning of arha(n/t/N)* as "deserving/worthy" or "worship" (and related).[/color] Contrary to the claims seen on the wacky page, there is no ambiguity as to their meaning, because it is mostly used as descriptives with direct reference to the Hindu God(s) being invoked in the mantras.
+ Again, not one of the search results remotely resembled the line that Jainism alleges as existing in the Rig: "So asmakam Aristanemi svaha Arhan vibharsi sayakani dhanvarhanistam yajatam visvarupam arhannidam dayase" (Astak 2, Varga 7, Rig Veda)
No RV verse had the two words - ariShTanemi and arhan - together.
Though it must be noted that even if one were ever to find such a line as is claimed (i.e. with both ariShTanemi and arha*) - in any part of the entire chaturvedam - it still will never be a reference to the Jain Neminatha: it will firmly remain a reference to the Vedic Hindus of that name, while arhan/t* variants would likewise remain Vedic words with Vedic meanings in the Vedas even when refererring to any person there by name ariShTanemi. (By simple logic: if arhan/t* can retain its Vedic meaning when referring to Agni et al - as it does - why should it suddenly acquire the late Jainist/Buddhist meaning of Arhan/t - capital A - when referring to the Vedic ariShTanemi?)
[color="#0000FF"]EDITED:[/color] To include 3.53 reference