07-03-2013, 11:05 PM
We are moving towards a mated second strike capability. The stored separately policy seems to have been abandoned. Anytime, anywhere launch within minutes is our current doctrine for "second strike." We also know "second strike" can be triggered by "any" nuclear launch including battlefield tactical weapons. Prahaar is also being inducted in the 150km range role and Prithvi forward is being withdrawn and refurbished with newer guidance systems. Although, the submarine arm is not discussed we should read this as the new doctrine, mated warheads with a ready to launch second strike within "minutes". Canister launched, indicates the warhead is also going to be embalmed in the missile for long term storage, not just the missile from the reply given. Notice the induction of missiles being talked about. AIII to AV. They are being inducted simultaneously, should reveal a lot. They are essentially the same, except the cost involved and ranges for the three. The AIII has one state which isn't all-composite. The AIV is all composite, with a 1.1 meter counterstrike function. The AV uses more composites than AIII. The path to AVI was revealed by the former DRDO chief in one of his final interviews before he retired. Essentially, the final missile. As indicated AVI is not a "priority". A.K. Anthony, indicated as much and asked DRDO to
"finish" what they already have and induct it before they think of "further" systems.
If you notice, it's very very sensible planning. What is the use of an ICBM if we can't physically project power beyond 7000kms? Sure we will have the ICBM building blocks ... and even some ICBMs tested with the 10k+ range under garb of AV tests, which at last count were extended to five or six tests. They may not be tested to full range, by using a ridiculous payload of 3 tonnes. A 3 tonne AVI will have a range "comparable" to the current A V.
The DRDO "inspired" leaks are just that. They are policy signals, to indicate we are ready to be a regional power but at present we don't fancy joining the bigger table. Not just yet. Why not? Ok we project power beyond 7k, what next? Is our economy as big as that to "require" such projection? Do we need to "influence" interests right now with those "revealed" ranges? Do we have a global positioning system with that reach? Do we have a blue navy just yet? Do we have enough ssbn and hunter killers and aircraft carriers to get to the next level on the table?
The Indian policy seems as always to be measured. We project as much as we absolutely have to. Our capability may let us stretch a bit more right now, but it isn't all "in place" just yet to go knocking on the door of the world and not get sanctioned.{Read global IRNSS, on-demand satellite launch, 12 nuclear submarines, at least 3 aircraft carriers, a strategic bomber ... etc } We were once excluded from the world market after a nuclear test, we are making sure we send the right signals, but the elephant is moving the post, slowly and methodically.
We have arrived as a rational nuclear player. An ostensible "second-strike" power bound to be a "second-strike" power because we are rational, and not because we are a second-rate power or lack the technology. Surendarji, espoused a doctrine for India, well that doctrine is officially been declared null and void, it's been mutated to almost a first-strike minus level. No first stikes is still the policy, because we say so and that is unlikely to change, everything else is mutable. Explains why the policy hasn't been made public yet. The components will take years to get in place. I am extremely impressed with our rational play so far. It's uncharacteristically non-Indian!!!
Interestingly, all it will take to get rid of our "second-strike" only doctrine is an executive change to our policy. However, like our earlier, everyone is equal when it comes to disarmament policy, this is our moral policy. No first strike cos we are different in morality, not capability. Nice touch.
I have seen some people and "western experts" raise questions about ELF antennas not indicating a second-strike within minutes policy or not going on deterrent patrols. They envision Indian submarines will behave just like the Chinese ones waiting in harbor forever until the cows come home and then move offshore with the missiles. Deterrent patrols will never be India's play is the popular western notion. They just don't get what ELF is. ELF transmissions are short and bitter from the bunkers. An ELF antenna is often 50 or so miles long!!! Every nuclear power has one, including USA, Russia, Britain and France. This is in addition to the VLF transmissions. ELF can transmit deeper. Russia for example uses a huge antenna which transmits at 8hz. ELF is old technology btw and we are placing it right next to our current VLF facility. This facility is well known as are the facilities in France which came into the limelight recently due to news articles, although it was known secret for ages and ages.
The newer technology in this area is laser communications where the research is ongoing. The current generation technology being "researched" or "used" is HAARP. Look at the objective of HAARP. One of the laid out objectives is to transmit at or near alven frequencies and low hz frequencies. So does india have any HAARP or HAARP like projects? Look at Tirupati for answers ... also check out the legal fiction on ownership when the answers from Tirupati are available... will provide a lot of details ...
The news article:
As Defence Minister A.K. Antony leaves on a 4-day official visit to China on Thursday, the first by a Defence Minister in seven years, new facts about the direction India's nuclear missile programme is taking could send out an unprecedented message. In details revealed for the first time in an exclusive interview to Headlines Today, the new chief of the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) Dr Avinash Chander has revealed that one of his key mandates as the head of the country's military research complex, is to drastically reduce the time India will take for a potential nuclear counter-strike.
Unlike China, India has been typically timid about its strategic programmes. The DRDO chief's revelations make for a rare, bold message about the goings on within the country's most advanced weapons laboratories.
"In the second strike capability, the most important thing is how fast we can react. We are working on cannisterised systems that can launch from anywhere at anytime," said Dr Chander. "We are making much more agile, fast-reacting, stable missiles so response can be within minutes." India has a no first use policy for nuclear weapons, and its current response time for a retaliatory strike is classified. The DRDO chief's task is to whittle it down by a substantial degree to provide the Strategic Forces Command (SFC) with a literally 'anywhere-anytime' ability.
DRDO's new chief Dr Avinash Chander.
Dr Chander, formerly director with the Advanced Systems Laboratory (ASL) in Hyderabad and renowned as the spearhead of the Agni family of missiles, was made chief of the DRDO last month.
India's current land-based nuclear weapon delivery systems include the 1,250-km range Agni-I, 2,000-km range Agni-II and 3,500-km range Agni-III. The DRDO chief has expressed confidence that 2 of India's two most ambitious nuclear missiles under test, the 4,000-km range Agni-IV and 6,000+ km range Agni-V, will both be inducted into the strategic arsenal within two years.
"We'll induct the Agni IV and V inducted in the next two years. It's the first time we will be inducting strategic missiles with such long ranges together. Agni III, IV and V are going to be the thrust areas. They give us the reach which we need, and are our highest priority now. Within two years we have to make sure that it happens," said Dr Chander.
Asked about whether India needed an inter-continental ballistic missile (ICBM), with ranges in excess of 10,000-km like China's DF-31 and other in-development weapons, Dr Chander said his missile laboratories could develop and deploy an ICBM in as little as three-five years. "As we see today, we don't find the need for ranges more than 5,000-6,000 km. The technology building blocks required to build a longer range missile already exist. We are in a position to activate any such system at very short notice," said Dr Chander.
An Inter Continental Baliistic Missile (ICBM), the Agni V reportedly has a range of 5,500-5,800 kms.
Asked about how India's missile programme squared off against China's, he said, "Comparisons are odious, always difficult, and many times taken out of context. If you see at the capability level, our missiles, radars are comparable with the Chinese and other friends around us."
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/india...86691.html
"finish" what they already have and induct it before they think of "further" systems.
If you notice, it's very very sensible planning. What is the use of an ICBM if we can't physically project power beyond 7000kms? Sure we will have the ICBM building blocks ... and even some ICBMs tested with the 10k+ range under garb of AV tests, which at last count were extended to five or six tests. They may not be tested to full range, by using a ridiculous payload of 3 tonnes. A 3 tonne AVI will have a range "comparable" to the current A V.
The DRDO "inspired" leaks are just that. They are policy signals, to indicate we are ready to be a regional power but at present we don't fancy joining the bigger table. Not just yet. Why not? Ok we project power beyond 7k, what next? Is our economy as big as that to "require" such projection? Do we need to "influence" interests right now with those "revealed" ranges? Do we have a global positioning system with that reach? Do we have a blue navy just yet? Do we have enough ssbn and hunter killers and aircraft carriers to get to the next level on the table?
The Indian policy seems as always to be measured. We project as much as we absolutely have to. Our capability may let us stretch a bit more right now, but it isn't all "in place" just yet to go knocking on the door of the world and not get sanctioned.{Read global IRNSS, on-demand satellite launch, 12 nuclear submarines, at least 3 aircraft carriers, a strategic bomber ... etc } We were once excluded from the world market after a nuclear test, we are making sure we send the right signals, but the elephant is moving the post, slowly and methodically.
We have arrived as a rational nuclear player. An ostensible "second-strike" power bound to be a "second-strike" power because we are rational, and not because we are a second-rate power or lack the technology. Surendarji, espoused a doctrine for India, well that doctrine is officially been declared null and void, it's been mutated to almost a first-strike minus level. No first stikes is still the policy, because we say so and that is unlikely to change, everything else is mutable. Explains why the policy hasn't been made public yet. The components will take years to get in place. I am extremely impressed with our rational play so far. It's uncharacteristically non-Indian!!!
Interestingly, all it will take to get rid of our "second-strike" only doctrine is an executive change to our policy. However, like our earlier, everyone is equal when it comes to disarmament policy, this is our moral policy. No first strike cos we are different in morality, not capability. Nice touch.
I have seen some people and "western experts" raise questions about ELF antennas not indicating a second-strike within minutes policy or not going on deterrent patrols. They envision Indian submarines will behave just like the Chinese ones waiting in harbor forever until the cows come home and then move offshore with the missiles. Deterrent patrols will never be India's play is the popular western notion. They just don't get what ELF is. ELF transmissions are short and bitter from the bunkers. An ELF antenna is often 50 or so miles long!!! Every nuclear power has one, including USA, Russia, Britain and France. This is in addition to the VLF transmissions. ELF can transmit deeper. Russia for example uses a huge antenna which transmits at 8hz. ELF is old technology btw and we are placing it right next to our current VLF facility. This facility is well known as are the facilities in France which came into the limelight recently due to news articles, although it was known secret for ages and ages.
The newer technology in this area is laser communications where the research is ongoing. The current generation technology being "researched" or "used" is HAARP. Look at the objective of HAARP. One of the laid out objectives is to transmit at or near alven frequencies and low hz frequencies. So does india have any HAARP or HAARP like projects? Look at Tirupati for answers ... also check out the legal fiction on ownership when the answers from Tirupati are available... will provide a lot of details ...
The news article:
As Defence Minister A.K. Antony leaves on a 4-day official visit to China on Thursday, the first by a Defence Minister in seven years, new facts about the direction India's nuclear missile programme is taking could send out an unprecedented message. In details revealed for the first time in an exclusive interview to Headlines Today, the new chief of the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) Dr Avinash Chander has revealed that one of his key mandates as the head of the country's military research complex, is to drastically reduce the time India will take for a potential nuclear counter-strike.
Unlike China, India has been typically timid about its strategic programmes. The DRDO chief's revelations make for a rare, bold message about the goings on within the country's most advanced weapons laboratories.
"In the second strike capability, the most important thing is how fast we can react. We are working on cannisterised systems that can launch from anywhere at anytime," said Dr Chander. "We are making much more agile, fast-reacting, stable missiles so response can be within minutes." India has a no first use policy for nuclear weapons, and its current response time for a retaliatory strike is classified. The DRDO chief's task is to whittle it down by a substantial degree to provide the Strategic Forces Command (SFC) with a literally 'anywhere-anytime' ability.
DRDO's new chief Dr Avinash Chander.
Dr Chander, formerly director with the Advanced Systems Laboratory (ASL) in Hyderabad and renowned as the spearhead of the Agni family of missiles, was made chief of the DRDO last month.
India's current land-based nuclear weapon delivery systems include the 1,250-km range Agni-I, 2,000-km range Agni-II and 3,500-km range Agni-III. The DRDO chief has expressed confidence that 2 of India's two most ambitious nuclear missiles under test, the 4,000-km range Agni-IV and 6,000+ km range Agni-V, will both be inducted into the strategic arsenal within two years.
"We'll induct the Agni IV and V inducted in the next two years. It's the first time we will be inducting strategic missiles with such long ranges together. Agni III, IV and V are going to be the thrust areas. They give us the reach which we need, and are our highest priority now. Within two years we have to make sure that it happens," said Dr Chander.
Asked about whether India needed an inter-continental ballistic missile (ICBM), with ranges in excess of 10,000-km like China's DF-31 and other in-development weapons, Dr Chander said his missile laboratories could develop and deploy an ICBM in as little as three-five years. "As we see today, we don't find the need for ranges more than 5,000-6,000 km. The technology building blocks required to build a longer range missile already exist. We are in a position to activate any such system at very short notice," said Dr Chander.
An Inter Continental Baliistic Missile (ICBM), the Agni V reportedly has a range of 5,500-5,800 kms.
Asked about how India's missile programme squared off against China's, he said, "Comparisons are odious, always difficult, and many times taken out of context. If you see at the capability level, our missiles, radars are comparable with the Chinese and other friends around us."
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/india...86691.html