Post 6/?
[color="#FF0000"]7. The real questions and conclusions[/color]
[color="#FF0000"]7. The real questions and conclusions[/color]
Quote:Leon says:
July 6, 2010 at 8:52 am
This whole dealââ¬â¢s taken an interesting (although not entirely surprising) turn. Is the whole point here just to get Asian American men laid? So if we just hook these brothers up, then the whole IR thing ceases to be an issue? So if half the men in the population also marries out, then all will be happy in the Asian American community, right?
[color="#800080"](Most/all of the following comments in this post are from bigwowo.com/2010/05/sister-can-you-lend-an-ear-by-julia-oh/)[/color]
Pozhal says:
July 12, 2013 at 8:53 pm
Souleater,
The media reflects the society that the powerful WANT to see. Thatââ¬â¢s why Hollywood is still so lily white despite increasing diversity America, and when there is colour in Hollywood, itââ¬â¢s often with ethnic stereotypes or with attractive ethnic women in the arms of white leading men.
Pozhal says:
July 12, 2013 at 8:55 pm
King,
Very well said.
Moroboshi,
Asian guys with white preferences are also a problem, though obviously, since they have fewer opportunities to act upon their racial inferiority complex, itââ¬â¢s less of an immediate problem. If you look at my post in the Urb4n IR thread, youââ¬â¢ll see my feelings on the matter. Ultimately, AM dating WF en masse as revenge is the worst way to go about it. White supremacist society has always focused on breaking on the families of minority groups, and that would be one huge step in that direction.
Pozhal says:
August 2, 2013 at 7:30 am
Eurasian Sensation,
Of course IR relationships will face some opposition from somewhere. My point is that why is it that we only ever hear about one side of the story? These WM/AF relationships are rationalized, glorified, or romanticized. And even if theyââ¬â¢re critiqued, Asian men are never a factor; itââ¬â¢s always ââ¬Åignore the Asiaphiles and hope that you meet a normal white guyââ¬Â.
For once, Iââ¬â¢d love to read a bunch of articles by Asian women upholding dating Asian men as the solution to rampant Asiaphilia and becoming comfortable in oneââ¬â¢s identity. Or perhaps an Asian manââ¬â¢s thoughtful reflection on why America is more willing to accept Asian women than Asian men.
Pozhal says:
August 6, 2013 at 10:57 am
Eurasian Sensation,
Of course we all have our own perspectives. The fact that I stubbed my toe this morning is of more immediate importance and vividness for me than, say, the underfunding of NASA.
But websites and publications arenââ¬â¢t publishing story after story of my stubbed toe.
Thatââ¬â¢s my problem with this whole thing. All we ever hear about the IR issue is about how hard it is for Asian women to find a decent White man, or how beautiful these WM/AF relationships are, or why Asian women are justified in discriminating against Asian (and usually, all non-White) men.
Where are the diverse perspectives? Why, itââ¬â¢s ALMOST as if the media is going out of its way to flatter the White male ego.
Raguel says:
August 7, 2013 at 2:54 pm
If I did not get it wrong like an idiot, the reason Frank Chin wanted AM/AF coupling was so that families could be formed as a nucleus for the preservation of Asian CULTURE, so that a form of continuity and cultural authenticity could be preserved in the Asian communities that have lived for so long in America.
This wasnââ¬â¢t just about ââ¬Ådatingââ¬Â, sex or ââ¬ÅIR disparityââ¬Â. I think Frank Chin was looking far beyond that, and when he saw the organised attacks against Asian culture and interpretations of history he may have recognised something more sinister.
Think about how stupid it is when white professors at universities know more about your Asian history, culture and speak the language better than Asian Americans even do. (But granted, they are professorsââ¬Â¦)
Now think about how insidious it is when the only thing written about Asian culture was how backwards it was compared to the Western ideals, which actually did happen at many points of time in the past.
But all of this is a moot point, isnââ¬â¢t it, if all Asian Americans want is to be accepted as ââ¬Åwhiteââ¬Â people, with no heed nor care for their cultural background that the other emigres to America have. If this is the case Asian Americans will be the most stunning example of a successful program of cultural eradication and re-creation at the hands of a white master with tentacles in universities and mass media.
King says:
@ souleater
Before I was exposed to Asian American activism, (BTW Iââ¬â¢m African American) My impression was that Asians were, for the most part unaffected by prejudice by the majority. One way that I bolstered that belief was by how many Asians seemed to be marrying right into White families. But it wasnââ¬â¢t until it was pointed out to me that the VAST majority of these unions where between White men and Asian women but very seldom between Asian men and White women. I had to do a double take as I thought for a moment and realized that they were right. Later on I looked at the census data and university studies on the subject. It turned out that this wasnââ¬â¢t just something out of Asian guyââ¬â¢s imaginations, but was independent and scientificall verifiable.
Which led me into dialoges about how Asian men are portrayed in Western media, until very recently, either as 1dimensional karate fighters or as extreme, socially awkward nerds. Then came along a slew of books and movies (many written by Asian women married to White men) that were extremely critical of Asian men as possessive, filandering, monsters. These writers depicted Asian women as in need of rescue from their own oppressive culture by open and egalitarian Western men. These depictions were popularized and broadcast around the world through media. Even AA men who had grown up in California and whoshared the same Western sensibilities as the White saviors were not trusted because the LOOKED like ââ¬Åfoot binders.ââ¬Â
All of this is part of the system. itââ¬â¢s the system of racism that was constructed long ago in this country which was designed to insure that White people held a perpetual advantage over non-Whites. You did not personally build The System, but it is your choice whether you recognize it for what it is and denounce it.