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The entire christo Indian govt is in on it. And that's how you know the govt in India is christian, from KKKAngress to Joylolita.
While the Baptist Church in Nagaland is documented by the Beeb (BBC) I think as having been started by New Zealand missionaries*, by the time the actual christian flare up against heathenism in Nagaland began - which was some years later still - the NFLT christian terrorists/Nagaland's Baptist church was funded by US Baptist churches (and covertly by the US govt).
* This is an interesting detail in itself. New Zealand is supposed to be Anglican (since it's mainly an English population) with a minority of Catholics. While the same E-European book that I got that detail from has Australia written down as majority Lutheran (which, depending on its accuracy, is actually really curious for an English-speaking country). Baptist-anything is owing to American christocults proselytising in western countries.
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Don't know why people blame Obama/administration, labouring under the delusion that he and his gang have that kind of power. The US government's policies on India have never changed for decades, which is why they did not change between "Republican" Bush Jr and "Democrat" Obama. The US presidents are merely the face of the actual puppeteers in the US government. The public face of the US govt changes after every 4 to 8 years, but the people who make the actual decisions on US international policy do *not* change. The "choice" between Republic and Democrat is just to spoonfeed the US masses that they actually have a choice in who they elect and that these people represent different policies. On some internal matters maybe, but not externally and not even on internal security policy. They're puppeteered by the same groups and goals, the way Mars and Snickers bars are owned by Mars Confectionary Ltd, even though they're presented as competitors, or the way Palmolive and I think Sunsilk and Timotei and a great many named supposedly "competing" Shampoo brands are all owned by the same company (Palmolive was it? See back of packaging). Silly analogy perhaps, but the point is, the gullible US population is made to think that there is an actual, genuine choice. But there is none. The US is a democracy only in the sense that the masses are allowed to choose from among pre-selected parties/positions to vote for. The populace doesn't get to make radical choices. And whenever they find out that their choices are limited, they are *happy* with that. They're happy to go along. Because, after all, the US govt ensures that its country -and as a side-effect, its population - comes out on top.
Obama has little to no say on what goes on. Just like US presidents don't write their own speeches, the US president just signs off on policies that are presented to them. A pretence of autonomy is held up when personnel explain the "need" for foreign interventions to said presidents, then the president is suitably pacified/satisfied and signs off on the policy as intended anyway. In the case of Bush Jr, he didn't need explanation - and wouldn't understand it either: Bush Jr famously admitted to hearing voices - in his white house office presumably - that "told him" to do the War On Terror thing and invade - I forget which 3rd world islamic countries he invaded. In any case, it was easy to make him believe this was the voice of his gawd (understandably lampooned by the poor Americans stuck with him), and thus the puppeteers 'convinced' Bush Jr to go along with the long-standing plan this way too.
US foreign policy on India - and US opinion on India - coincides with what the Kissinger-Nixon openly admitted during the East vs West Pakistan wars and India's forced intervention into this. That policy has never changed (and will never change), it has only become more urgent, with the US finding more reasons to carry it out. They're not the only ones of India's scary list of enemies that have that policy.
Anyway, the point is that the christogovt in India is foreign-appointed, foreign-controlled and works for foreign interests a la the erstwhile Vietnamese catholic govt from the Kennedy era. The national and regional Indian populace merely imagine they elected the kkkangress/DMK/Joylolita. (Powers that be don't want to trigger another Indian struggle for Independence, after all.) Every time the US govt scratches KKKangress's back - such as by major US media lying about Modi/Godhra - and every time India's christogovt and locally appointed bought-and-paid-for cryptos like Joylolita return the favour, such as by letting the 2 murderers of the tresspassing Italian "Navy" off the hook, it just underscores how the Indian govt is in the employ of foreign interests. Of course, I'm not saying that the Indian populace - were they to ever bother finding out - will care. They're the most apathetic of all people - more so than the US population. The psecular younger generations of Indians especially. I'm thankful to say that even the dull-witted and pointless/meaningless nationalism-for-the-sake-of-nationalism is a sentiment dying or even already quite dead in younger generations, who think only of themselves and their here and now. After all, nationalism was the final and very determined blow to Hindus' heathenism, and so why shouldn't nationalism die an ignoble death?
hin: It had no power of its own anyway, and with the death of Hindus' religion - which it parasited on and took advantage off and from which it got its ranks - nationalism too is coming to an end. :evil grin: I give it just one or two generations tops. And then it will really be Just Geography in the locals' minds, which is where it counts. Blind patriotism and nationalism are empty sentiments, they're not ideologies of their own, they can never constitute an identity. Europe knows that, the US knows that. Russia is learning that. But India will ... demonstrate that - not to its own benefit, of course (but as a useful warning to others, perhaps).
India's becoming - to put a phrase from IIRC Tolkien to misuse - "a nation of *willing* slaves". At least US citizens will put up with a falsified democracy in their own interest. But Indians will put up with a sham democracy - one that does not represent them - even when it is active against their interest. Secularising India deserves it. Why should Hindus resist? Hindus are being made a minority - by seculars voting and active against Hindu interests as much as by conscious enemies. So why resist for their sake? Let the psecular generations have the future they have agitated for - that they have marginalised and ridiculed and extincted Hindudom (both in themselves and for others) for - let them have it.
Hindus as a minority may actually be a situation benefitting Hindus: with seculars temporarily becoming a majority in a few generations hereafter, the seculars will inevitably come to bear the brunt of the jihad (more seculars will start to go :Boom: up in smoke) and of the christian activism that will try to enforce christianism in education, media and government. And when the pseculars start complaining and wringing their hands as if they are persecuted, Hindus should not lift a finger and not waste any sympathy. This is what they (p/seculars) wanted. This is a problem *they* created, voted for and for which they signed Hindus' death warrants. India's seculars don't form a nation, they were merely born into one: It's how Indian commies in E-Bengal agitated to "free" the region from the "grip" of Hindu religion, and then got slapped hard by islamania in Bangladesh, and then ran back into India and have been trying the same stunt in W-Bengal.
I just read at the Rajiv 2004 blog that apparently Chinese politicians/analysts/vocalists/whoever have declared that India is to be split ("will disintegrate") into smaller parts, arguing that it has faultlines along linguistic, ethnic etc boundaries. While the fact that enemies would vocalise this means that either they don't mean it (unlikely in China's case) or they think India is so helpless and hopeless that they can brag their plans for India to Indians' faces beforehand and Indians still won't be able to stop it (more likely) is beside the point. The point is, the Chinese are correct in their assessment. There is very little that holds India together any more:
1. By an increasigly popular consensus among India's minds - and in the age of dawangada, mass-appeal cements "facts" - India is made up of invading Oryans and Dravoodians (and Mundas). And as the former - by the same belief - invariably chanced upon and oppressed the latter, there is really nothing but to rebel against this perceived historic injustice and forced unification that resulted. It is natural that people should wish to break up over this.
2. On-fire nationalists of the current decades - a great many and unrelated ones - have repeatedly declared that there's no such thing as Hindus ("it was an invention by the Brits"). Incognito or whatever (the one who went on with his Cuckoo's child analogy) provided some flimsy intellectual argument/support for this by further declaring that it was some composite Bharatiya culture that held Indians together and there was no majority religion (i.e. Indians are equal parts Jain/Buddhist/Miscellany <- Miscellany is modernists' code for Hindu) which is similar to other modern nationalist/new-agey Indians peddling a concocted composite "dharmic" religion/culture. I think I saw a link at the Rajeev 2004 blog to one Sanjeev Nayyar propagating an expectation that all-Indians (what, Tamizh Hindus too?) must celebrate a Sikh Guru's festival and something about the Jain Mahavira etc etc, alongside actual Hindu observances. (Sanjeev Nayyar did incidentally quote some things that are very funny, which I may post on, but exactly what's surprising or unexpected about the "similarity" that Thais should have a festival of lights is beyond me: Thailand was influenced by Hindus' religion before it got Bauddified. There remain contorted echoes of Hinduism for this reason.)
[For all those that denied there was such a thing as Hindu religion, and such a people as Hindus who adhered to it: it is far more the case that there's certainly no such thing as India. Beyond geography.]
Actual facts of history ultimately don't really matter. Only perception of history does, i.e. modern opinion on history/what people believe. (This is why Americans see themselves as a nation with a right to the land they stole, and not as invading settlers who have the Right to get lost.)
So, as per the above 2 points of now-popular Perception (which will dominate in future generations), neither ethnicity nor ideology (religion) connect the population of India. The pro-longed shared history of some millennia - where this is admitted to - is consequently considered enforced, so it is not to be regarded as positive either, and thus constitutes no reason to remain together. (As a precedent, Czechoslovakia split amicably and peacefully.) Plus individuals can always run off with "culture" and fond memories of "civilisation" and don't require to be part of a nation to try to retain those - though unbeknownst to them, these are the very things that will naturally wither and die when deprived of the heathen religion on which they are founded. [After all, christianism wasn't able to run off with GrecoRomans' Hellenistic culture/civilisation/"Philosophy" (divorced from Hellenismos) for more than 3 centuries tops before even the mangled remains of these died.] Mayhap there will be a short term gain: freed from the stifling shackles of lowercase-n Indian nationalism, Hindus of split regions can at last briefly try to act in the interest of their religious identity (and in the south, won't be saddled with having to swear by Buddhism/Jainism/Sikhism/etc) - before getting drowned out by christoislamicommunism.
So - without either ethnic or religious connection - what remains then? Nothing. Which is what people have (oh-so-consciously) chosen to bequeath the next generations of "Indians". And which is just as well. They next generations are promising to be the kind that wouldn't even know to regret it let alone blame the current (their preceding) generations for it. Plus these things follow naturally. To blame the Americans or the Chinese (or christianism or even the inept TSP) hereafter would be shifting the blame. They could never have deprived Hindus of their sense of oneness. Only Hindus ("Indians") could have done that. And they did, by de-heathenising. This is not others' victory against India. Subvertibility is a fault in a person, not the fault of others - though others can take advantage of it (and that's all they can do; where subvertibility does not exist, others can do nothing).
Indian natives' have always had a choice. And for many decades, they have consistently made the wrong ones. It would've been naive to think there would be no consequences. Or even that these are the kinds of choices and consequences that can be surmounted and rectified. There are no do-overs for monumental mistakes such as these. There's no such thing as fate. Life is what people make it. And *this* is entirely of Indians' making. Can't blame ancestors either: they weren't the subvertibles.
The irony is that there's no one left to learn from this. There are no heathen *countries* left. Taiwan is significantly Buddhist or Bauddified in terms of the majority of the laity, and China ceased to be a heathen power/government long before even India did. Its heathens were and remain actively suppressed. That said, the heathens in E and SE Asia do have the advantage that they survived the darwinian natural-selection process: less chance of subvertibility in what remains of them (that kind was largely weeded out). In India's case, the huge numbers of nominal Hindus (including the new-agey kind and those that like to convert "aliens" - an unheathen enterprise if there ever was any) were what caused the problem for the actual heathens. Someone should write history from a heathen point of view. Then again, it would be one damning footnote after another.
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Quote:The Blackguards at Sea - Liberation Theology kick-starting a [color="#FF0000"]Nagaland Insurrection at South India[/color]?
27/10/2013 13:41:45 Aron
The Firm as all avid readers of pulp fiction know is slang for the Central Intelligence Agency. A mysterious ship called Sea Guard is discovered with a considerable Cargo of Heavy Weaponry and explosives and that it had no authorisation or papers that it should have in possession is the least mysterious of this Newsflash.
It had been there with such a shipment for a month already afloat in Indian Territorial Waters and had not bothered to put things in order all the while or intimate the Port authorities.
The tale becomes murkier further when it is found the vessel had called several ports previously in a half a dozen countries and it had no valid papers for those calls.
Frederick Forsyth could not have penned a better plot starter.
A quick hush up by the Indian authorities and official downplaying to an equally mysterious complacent media should perhaps be left to a novelist like Forsyth to throw some light for the clueless reader.
Even less talented novelists could convincingly make enough intrigue and connecting dots to present a murkier tale that could have devastating portends to National Security.
A vessel belonging to an alleged private Security Firm AdvanFort professing now on paper to provide ââ¬Ësecurity coverââ¬â¢ for merchant ships appears on Indian territorial waters and after three days afloat on Indian Waters on August x 2013 berthed herself at Kochi Port.
It did not care to reveal that its cargo included heavy arms and ammunitions and cared less to have any Valid Papers permitting her to carry them when finally it was found to attract the Tamil Nadu Maritime Police Guardsââ¬â¢ attention- appearing and disappearing.
On the late evening of October 11th a tracker vessel tailed and cornered the vessel near Tuticorin port.
Before this chance discovery- the ship had sailed to Arab Waters and called port at Sharjah. In mid September the ship flying a Sierra Lone flag atop her mast then returns to Indian Waters when finally Indian Coast Guards spots and boards her.
Media reports indicate this rogue vessel has been roaming the high seas and spotted repeatedly inside Indian waters, for some unknown reason it was never approached for a check- she was violating the maritime laws with impunity all the while.
Finally when the maritime cops embarked on board a huge catchment of heavy arms and ammunitions were discovered for without valid papers and promptly confiscated. There were 35 assault rifles and 5000 rounds besides other weapons.
Some 35 crew men including 25 alleged Guardsmen on deck were arrested and an FIR was filed and case transferred to the Q Branch, and that was when shit hit the fan-
The weird and evasive apologia for this behaviour of the vessel flouting every single Maritime Law in the Book raised even questions that went begging for answers as they started blurting evasive answers.
THE KAIO MARU THAT BECAME SEAMAN GUARD
The ship bore the name Kaio Maru before rechristened as Seaman Guard, and the company AdanFort Ohio registered her as a Merchant Vessel at Sierra Leone.
The Company spokesman in typical American corporate brush off informed the press very casually that it was thankful for all the above listed irregularities and violations that the vessel had been found to be safe!
Safely found with arms and ammunitions that had no papers and safely ignoring the mandatory laws in a Nation that had just announced that it was expecting a sea borne attack like at Mumbai and was on high alert against Terrorist incursions.
The company rolls out a fantastic plausibility that this strange ship behaviour was quite in line with its proffered business- that of providing merchant vessels with Security Cover against Somalian pirates. That is if you could believe guarding against sea pirates takes being Sea pirates?
Another amazing ready excuse of irregularities that this company wants us to believe seriously is that Security cover against Sea Pirates at distant Somalia, lead her to this dangerous behaviour triggered by the Phalin Storm ââ¬âwhile her charted course was no where even close to that area.
As this smoky mishap drew more media attention, and raised eyebrows of breach of National Security and lapse in swift entry of the national Intelligence Agency that had issued a high alert just recently against sea borne terror strike, fresh reports make out a clear lag in retrieving the Vesselââ¬â¢s Black box and Communication equipments.
What this means is the rogue ship and her crew and the company were provided a window of over two weeks to tamper with the ââ¬Ëevidencesââ¬â¢ and cover tracks.
As if all this isnââ¬â¢t enough as a fiasco, Indian Officials began a Down Playing of the Confiscation of weapons and ammunitions in a rogue ship with blurred log book- when simultaneously the company was making out a case of a trivial lapse- that such a small private security firm and her vessel should make the American embassy to rush to her release off the hook.
WHO OR WHAT IS BEHIND THE ROGUE SHIP?
The quick Indian compliance to American arm-twisting to downplay the incident, the delay in involving immediately the NIA and making out in full the Public Prosecutorââ¬â¢s Report all indicate incompetence and a callous negligence to hush and cover up the alarming security breach.
This also makes a speculation of the ship being a part of some Covert operations run by the infamous CIA.On the companyââ¬â¢s payroll are former Special Forces Operatives from NATO, U.S and United Kingdom. The Obama administration is zealously supplying arms all over the place to several civil wars. Many former CIA men have written tomes on its modus operandi- gun running using cover of legal businesses and shell companies.
In our analysis on Homeland Security at Haindavakerelam we have already indicated that Liberation Theology movement is seeking a revival of the LTTE and a Nagaland like insurrection at South India.
Besides the Maoist- Church nexus the link up with Islamist terror groups have also been collaborating in expanding their bases made out by experts like B R Haran. The possibility of LTTE regrouping in the South has been briefed by him and other Counter Terrorism analysts.
The Urban encirclement phase of Maoists holed up in the Tribal hinterland may require such a close coming together of Urban Guerrilla groups such as regrouped Al Umma and the LTTE.
Were the arms and ammunitions part of this crazy Obama administrationââ¬â¢s policy of covert supplying arms to even Al Qaeda like at Syria where photos of Al Nusra front gunmen sporting American heavy weapons in American aid tents?
Instead of standing firmly with the Secular Arabs at Egypt, the American frustration with Egyptian military regime has coincided with a sudden escalation of attacks at Sinai by the Islamists ââ¬â that the Brotherhood had been receiving American weaponry needs no guessing?
When we see these arms supplies by Obama administration, to even its avowed enemies such as the Al Qaeda and Brotherhood, we can see how this adventurism can lend the same to a Liberation Theology movement that requires a regrouping of the LTTE and a Nagaland like insurrection to be kick started at South India.
So the Blackguards caught at sea violating our sovereign waters need more thorough investigation and the Indian Government must vigorously pursue the Seaman Guards who have behaved more like pirates and gun runners.
COUNTER TERRORISM EXPERTS MUST PAY ATTENTION TO LIBERATION THEOLOGY
Counter Terrorism experts must make note of our previous analysis at Haindavakerelam of Liberation Theology as a global movement sponsoring armed insurrections, under a Jesuit Pope himself a Liberation Theologian should be actively getting involved in such adventurist dares.
We have traced the Eco-Liberation theological inspiration behind the anti-nuclear anti-koodankulam reactor agitation.
Our prediction that this movement in seeking to expand the political base would strive towards a Caste Conflagration to abuse the fallout as proof of Dalit Oppression to enhance its insurrectionist rationale.
We could also make out then an alliance of Liberation theology with defunct Islamist extreme groups like Al Umma providing them the wherewithal as at Syria and the Egyptian Sinai.
The open arming of Islamist groups all in the name of an Arab Springs is now an acknowledged part of the American foreign policy.
The much hailed Arab Springs are now a fount of Islamist bloodbaths in a dozen countries since then -our warning also turned out true that Islamists waiting in the wings to take over the script.
A similar horrendous adventurism by western Imperialism could be the rearming and regrouping of the LTTE to bring to knees the Lankan regime.
Together this grand alliance with Islamists enables the Urban encirclement of Maoists to be fulfilled in that long sought subversion of India.
The Seaman Guards from company that has Special Ops men from Western Super powers could be charting the destination that Liberation theology has laid out for South India supplying an insurrection front in tandem with the insurrections at Nagaland and Mizoram at North East India.
Update- [color="#0000FF"]Dr Subramaniam Swamy BJP leader has twitted that there is now enormous pressure brought upon the Tamil Nadu government to circumvent the Law and have the culprits and violaters of national security quietly releeased.[/color]
Going by his tweet it seems Jayalalitha governement is ressisting the pressure.
Since Resolution 1 has already highlighted politcal considerations has lead to compromise by her on internal security and murders of Hindutva leaders, thanks to hobnobbing with Islamist proxy parties, this new resolve by her should be a welcome change in tune with the RSS resolutions.
Quote:B R Haran
01/11/2013 13:49:01 Well Written Aron
A well written column. [color="#0000FF"]There is a lot of secrecy surrounding this issue and neither the center nor the state is coming out with facts. It could certainly be party to the main agenda of regrouping anti-India forces.
With regards to TN government's take on this issue, I would bet that it would certainly yield to the pressure and release the culprits, for the ruling party has been under the control, or rather the influence, of the Church since 2004.[/color]
The entire christo Indian govt is in on it. And that's how you know the govt in India is christian, from KKKAngress to Joylolita.
While the Baptist Church in Nagaland is documented by the Beeb (BBC) I think as having been started by New Zealand missionaries*, by the time the actual christian flare up against heathenism in Nagaland began - which was some years later still - the NFLT christian terrorists/Nagaland's Baptist church was funded by US Baptist churches (and covertly by the US govt).
* This is an interesting detail in itself. New Zealand is supposed to be Anglican (since it's mainly an English population) with a minority of Catholics. While the same E-European book that I got that detail from has Australia written down as majority Lutheran (which, depending on its accuracy, is actually really curious for an English-speaking country). Baptist-anything is owing to American christocults proselytising in western countries.
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Quote:Thinker
29/10/2013 08:46:51 Need to understand relation between religion and terrorism
What has been official line of discourse on terrorism of various forms is that terrorism arises due to economical poverty. Though economical poverty has been helping increase the quantity of terror cadre, poverty is not always the reason.So is the reason why certain parties help it.Unless, Indians in general and Hindus in particular understand the real reasons behind different terrorisms,India could not diminish it.
Anand
28/10/2013 21:51:52 The Blackguards at Sea
Yes, I agree with Aronji that the US has been behind this "mysterious vessel" floating around in Indian waters and that the intention is to arm the Liberation theologians in South India. Aronji has articulated this so well in his article that the Hindutva leaders should consider this issue seriously for the security of our great nation. We need to have clarity and have a clear vision at the ideological level about what Hindutva means and not be ashamed of being one. Security and protection of India is paramount since we are the torchbearers of Sanatana Dharma. So we need to discuss and consider different perspectives, coming from writers like Aronji for instance, and see the truth behind their logic and presentation of facts, and then act upon it. What I find is a lack of understanding of Hindutva ideology present at all levels including the top leaders. The Obama administration has been demonizing and marginalizing the right wing thinkers all over the world, including India. Unless we stop pretending to be anything other than Hindutva, our country's security and survival is at danger.
[color="#800080"](Blaming "Obama" shows a lack of realism/a blind belief in US meaning well "otherwise". But notes are at end)[/color]
T S SHANKAR
28/10/2013 22:09:25 EXCELLENT ANALYSIS
Excellent article by Aronji.
Vaiko spearheaded anti-koodangulam nuclear reactor.
DMk keeps insisting on destroying Rama Sethu.
Both are surely Liberation theology motivations.
Revival of LTTE propaganda also is clearly from liberation theology as koodangulam agitation started from Loyolla college which is Jesuit.
Present Pope Francis is also a Liberation theologian.
BJP Tamilnadu must study this phenomenon of Liberation movements and keep away from alliance with Vaiko and DMK.
Don't know why people blame Obama/administration, labouring under the delusion that he and his gang have that kind of power. The US government's policies on India have never changed for decades, which is why they did not change between "Republican" Bush Jr and "Democrat" Obama. The US presidents are merely the face of the actual puppeteers in the US government. The public face of the US govt changes after every 4 to 8 years, but the people who make the actual decisions on US international policy do *not* change. The "choice" between Republic and Democrat is just to spoonfeed the US masses that they actually have a choice in who they elect and that these people represent different policies. On some internal matters maybe, but not externally and not even on internal security policy. They're puppeteered by the same groups and goals, the way Mars and Snickers bars are owned by Mars Confectionary Ltd, even though they're presented as competitors, or the way Palmolive and I think Sunsilk and Timotei and a great many named supposedly "competing" Shampoo brands are all owned by the same company (Palmolive was it? See back of packaging). Silly analogy perhaps, but the point is, the gullible US population is made to think that there is an actual, genuine choice. But there is none. The US is a democracy only in the sense that the masses are allowed to choose from among pre-selected parties/positions to vote for. The populace doesn't get to make radical choices. And whenever they find out that their choices are limited, they are *happy* with that. They're happy to go along. Because, after all, the US govt ensures that its country -and as a side-effect, its population - comes out on top.
Obama has little to no say on what goes on. Just like US presidents don't write their own speeches, the US president just signs off on policies that are presented to them. A pretence of autonomy is held up when personnel explain the "need" for foreign interventions to said presidents, then the president is suitably pacified/satisfied and signs off on the policy as intended anyway. In the case of Bush Jr, he didn't need explanation - and wouldn't understand it either: Bush Jr famously admitted to hearing voices - in his white house office presumably - that "told him" to do the War On Terror thing and invade - I forget which 3rd world islamic countries he invaded. In any case, it was easy to make him believe this was the voice of his gawd (understandably lampooned by the poor Americans stuck with him), and thus the puppeteers 'convinced' Bush Jr to go along with the long-standing plan this way too.
US foreign policy on India - and US opinion on India - coincides with what the Kissinger-Nixon openly admitted during the East vs West Pakistan wars and India's forced intervention into this. That policy has never changed (and will never change), it has only become more urgent, with the US finding more reasons to carry it out. They're not the only ones of India's scary list of enemies that have that policy.
Anyway, the point is that the christogovt in India is foreign-appointed, foreign-controlled and works for foreign interests a la the erstwhile Vietnamese catholic govt from the Kennedy era. The national and regional Indian populace merely imagine they elected the kkkangress/DMK/Joylolita. (Powers that be don't want to trigger another Indian struggle for Independence, after all.) Every time the US govt scratches KKKangress's back - such as by major US media lying about Modi/Godhra - and every time India's christogovt and locally appointed bought-and-paid-for cryptos like Joylolita return the favour, such as by letting the 2 murderers of the tresspassing Italian "Navy" off the hook, it just underscores how the Indian govt is in the employ of foreign interests. Of course, I'm not saying that the Indian populace - were they to ever bother finding out - will care. They're the most apathetic of all people - more so than the US population. The psecular younger generations of Indians especially. I'm thankful to say that even the dull-witted and pointless/meaningless nationalism-for-the-sake-of-nationalism is a sentiment dying or even already quite dead in younger generations, who think only of themselves and their here and now. After all, nationalism was the final and very determined blow to Hindus' heathenism, and so why shouldn't nationalism die an ignoble death?
hin: It had no power of its own anyway, and with the death of Hindus' religion - which it parasited on and took advantage off and from which it got its ranks - nationalism too is coming to an end. :evil grin: I give it just one or two generations tops. And then it will really be Just Geography in the locals' minds, which is where it counts. Blind patriotism and nationalism are empty sentiments, they're not ideologies of their own, they can never constitute an identity. Europe knows that, the US knows that. Russia is learning that. But India will ... demonstrate that - not to its own benefit, of course (but as a useful warning to others, perhaps).India's becoming - to put a phrase from IIRC Tolkien to misuse - "a nation of *willing* slaves". At least US citizens will put up with a falsified democracy in their own interest. But Indians will put up with a sham democracy - one that does not represent them - even when it is active against their interest. Secularising India deserves it. Why should Hindus resist? Hindus are being made a minority - by seculars voting and active against Hindu interests as much as by conscious enemies. So why resist for their sake? Let the psecular generations have the future they have agitated for - that they have marginalised and ridiculed and extincted Hindudom (both in themselves and for others) for - let them have it.
Hindus as a minority may actually be a situation benefitting Hindus: with seculars temporarily becoming a majority in a few generations hereafter, the seculars will inevitably come to bear the brunt of the jihad (more seculars will start to go :Boom: up in smoke) and of the christian activism that will try to enforce christianism in education, media and government. And when the pseculars start complaining and wringing their hands as if they are persecuted, Hindus should not lift a finger and not waste any sympathy. This is what they (p/seculars) wanted. This is a problem *they* created, voted for and for which they signed Hindus' death warrants. India's seculars don't form a nation, they were merely born into one: It's how Indian commies in E-Bengal agitated to "free" the region from the "grip" of Hindu religion, and then got slapped hard by islamania in Bangladesh, and then ran back into India and have been trying the same stunt in W-Bengal.
I just read at the Rajiv 2004 blog that apparently Chinese politicians/analysts/vocalists/whoever have declared that India is to be split ("will disintegrate") into smaller parts, arguing that it has faultlines along linguistic, ethnic etc boundaries. While the fact that enemies would vocalise this means that either they don't mean it (unlikely in China's case) or they think India is so helpless and hopeless that they can brag their plans for India to Indians' faces beforehand and Indians still won't be able to stop it (more likely) is beside the point. The point is, the Chinese are correct in their assessment. There is very little that holds India together any more:
1. By an increasigly popular consensus among India's minds - and in the age of dawangada, mass-appeal cements "facts" - India is made up of invading Oryans and Dravoodians (and Mundas). And as the former - by the same belief - invariably chanced upon and oppressed the latter, there is really nothing but to rebel against this perceived historic injustice and forced unification that resulted. It is natural that people should wish to break up over this.
2. On-fire nationalists of the current decades - a great many and unrelated ones - have repeatedly declared that there's no such thing as Hindus ("it was an invention by the Brits"). Incognito or whatever (the one who went on with his Cuckoo's child analogy) provided some flimsy intellectual argument/support for this by further declaring that it was some composite Bharatiya culture that held Indians together and there was no majority religion (i.e. Indians are equal parts Jain/Buddhist/Miscellany <- Miscellany is modernists' code for Hindu) which is similar to other modern nationalist/new-agey Indians peddling a concocted composite "dharmic" religion/culture. I think I saw a link at the Rajeev 2004 blog to one Sanjeev Nayyar propagating an expectation that all-Indians (what, Tamizh Hindus too?) must celebrate a Sikh Guru's festival and something about the Jain Mahavira etc etc, alongside actual Hindu observances. (Sanjeev Nayyar did incidentally quote some things that are very funny, which I may post on, but exactly what's surprising or unexpected about the "similarity" that Thais should have a festival of lights is beyond me: Thailand was influenced by Hindus' religion before it got Bauddified. There remain contorted echoes of Hinduism for this reason.)
[For all those that denied there was such a thing as Hindu religion, and such a people as Hindus who adhered to it: it is far more the case that there's certainly no such thing as India. Beyond geography.]
Actual facts of history ultimately don't really matter. Only perception of history does, i.e. modern opinion on history/what people believe. (This is why Americans see themselves as a nation with a right to the land they stole, and not as invading settlers who have the Right to get lost.)
So, as per the above 2 points of now-popular Perception (which will dominate in future generations), neither ethnicity nor ideology (religion) connect the population of India. The pro-longed shared history of some millennia - where this is admitted to - is consequently considered enforced, so it is not to be regarded as positive either, and thus constitutes no reason to remain together. (As a precedent, Czechoslovakia split amicably and peacefully.) Plus individuals can always run off with "culture" and fond memories of "civilisation" and don't require to be part of a nation to try to retain those - though unbeknownst to them, these are the very things that will naturally wither and die when deprived of the heathen religion on which they are founded. [After all, christianism wasn't able to run off with GrecoRomans' Hellenistic culture/civilisation/"Philosophy" (divorced from Hellenismos) for more than 3 centuries tops before even the mangled remains of these died.] Mayhap there will be a short term gain: freed from the stifling shackles of lowercase-n Indian nationalism, Hindus of split regions can at last briefly try to act in the interest of their religious identity (and in the south, won't be saddled with having to swear by Buddhism/Jainism/Sikhism/etc) - before getting drowned out by christoislamicommunism.
So - without either ethnic or religious connection - what remains then? Nothing. Which is what people have (oh-so-consciously) chosen to bequeath the next generations of "Indians". And which is just as well. They next generations are promising to be the kind that wouldn't even know to regret it let alone blame the current (their preceding) generations for it. Plus these things follow naturally. To blame the Americans or the Chinese (or christianism or even the inept TSP) hereafter would be shifting the blame. They could never have deprived Hindus of their sense of oneness. Only Hindus ("Indians") could have done that. And they did, by de-heathenising. This is not others' victory against India. Subvertibility is a fault in a person, not the fault of others - though others can take advantage of it (and that's all they can do; where subvertibility does not exist, others can do nothing).
Indian natives' have always had a choice. And for many decades, they have consistently made the wrong ones. It would've been naive to think there would be no consequences. Or even that these are the kinds of choices and consequences that can be surmounted and rectified. There are no do-overs for monumental mistakes such as these. There's no such thing as fate. Life is what people make it. And *this* is entirely of Indians' making. Can't blame ancestors either: they weren't the subvertibles.
The irony is that there's no one left to learn from this. There are no heathen *countries* left. Taiwan is significantly Buddhist or Bauddified in terms of the majority of the laity, and China ceased to be a heathen power/government long before even India did. Its heathens were and remain actively suppressed. That said, the heathens in E and SE Asia do have the advantage that they survived the darwinian natural-selection process: less chance of subvertibility in what remains of them (that kind was largely weeded out). In India's case, the huge numbers of nominal Hindus (including the new-agey kind and those that like to convert "aliens" - an unheathen enterprise if there ever was any) were what caused the problem for the actual heathens. Someone should write history from a heathen point of view. Then again, it would be one damning footnote after another.
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