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[color="#0000FF"]The supporting data for all the statements I made in the previous post:[/color]
You can tell I'm not making anything up because my lips are not moving below:
1. hagiasophia.com/listingview.php?listingID=4&printer_friendly=yes
(Christist emperor Arcadius inculturating on a heathen name, like church father John inculturating on the Hellenistic name Chrysostom, despite said John lecturing his sheep to abandon all sacred Hellenistic names. Now wasn't Arcadia an ancient Greek province? Although my own first familiarity with it was related to GE-999...)
2. archnet.org/library/sites/one-site.jsp?site_id=2966
And the christian "contributions" (vandalism of Hellenistic temple materials) there is then followed by the islamic contributions to the christian church:
3. Early christian infighting destroyed the illegal church a couple of times. Part 1
livius.org/cn-cs/constantinople/constantinople_hagia_sophia.html
Plus the Arians - you know, one of the more famous early christian heretics - had already vandalised the meaningless christian trinkets (no doubt looted from where they had meaning) that Constantius II had lavished on the illegal church construction.
4. Part 2 of how early christian infighting destroyed the illegal church a couple of times: some further detail
constantinopleguide.com/Hagia-Sophia-tour.php
The above is also at slideshare.net/turkey_tours/hagia-sophia "Hagia sophia Document Transcript"
They were yelling "Nike"? Does it have a plain meaning in Greek, I wonder.
I know of the beautiful winged sculpture of the Goddess Nike of Samothrace (what remains of it). Nike is IIRC (but not sure at all) the Goddess of victory. A famous - but merely "secular art" - modern statue of her is in Germany I think.
[[color="#0000FF"]INSERT:[/color] the above blank-brained question followed by the answer is typical Husky, by the way: "Does [Nike] have a plain meaning in Greek, I wonder. Nike is IIRC ... the [Greek] Goddess of victory." <===> The Romans' Goddess Victoria, as is known, which yet again translates plainly what the meaning of Nike is - in a word that even I could understand. But as always, I couldn't add 2 and 2 together: "Since Nike - known as Victoria to the Romans - is the Goddess of victory, what could Nike possibly mean?" Duh. Public exhibitions of stupidity deserve to be lampooned.]
But these were rioters yelling "Nike". And they wanted the evil christist malevolence Justinian deposed? And he massacred them all, it says. Could they have been heathen protestors? (If so, maybe they tried to do away with the church to reclaim the heathen site.) But the fact that a christist madman massacred everybody present at some place doesn't necessarily imply that they couldn't have been christians whom he killed: christians - including christian rulers - are famous for murdering christians too, usually if they're of some heretical faction, if they're a challenge to the christian individual in charge/pose a threat to his power, or especially when there are no heathens left to murder for sport. But there were heathens left in Justinian's time: even as per the Codes of Theodosius and Justinian wherein they incrementally ban Hellenismos on pain of death, which they wouldn't have had to do if it had already been murdered out by christianism at that point.
The previous link says the Nike Riots were on 13 January 532.
Looking for the entries on Theodosius II and the Justinian who succeeded him at
ysee.gr/index-eng.php?type=english&f=lovestories
No mention of the riots. It only mentions the following incidents relating to this Justinian's reign:
Hmmm, the following page says that Justinian was making promises to the protestors on the babble - with the expectation that they would understand and value this, i.e. that the audience of protestors was (largely? wholly?) christian - and the page also reveals that the protestors were clammering for Justinian's in-all-likelihood christist nephew Hypatius to replace him as emperor (plus it reveals that Nike means "conquer"):
cliojournal.wikispaces.com/Justinian+and+the+nike+riots
Actually, reading that page in entirety is reminiscent of the Congress' mass-scale corruption - thumbing their nose at the populace - and seen in India today, a topic that is similarly eclipsing the simultaneous ongoing suppression of Hindu religion by the christist KKKongress.
5. The search engine search result snippet for awesomeplanet.org/hagia-sophia-istambul
describes the Hagia Sofia as "a former patriarchal basilica, later a mosque, now a museum"
(i.e. dargah to the christian patriarchs). Can't find the actual statement on the page though, perhaps I didn't finish loading it.
6. This next is from a blog, making it unofficial, but it has photo evidence of Hellenistic symbols to none other than the blue-haired/black-haired Poseidon:
travelreportage.com/2012/07/01/pagan-symbols-in-hagia-sophia
So, it was a temple to Neptune-Poseidon (and perhaps other Olympic Gods), eh? And shall be again. First step already accomplished: christianism is no longer occupying the site. Islamania will turn it into a bad memory. And then, sooner-than-eventually, islamania too will be dislodged from the site, the country and the planet, and Phrygia and all Anatolia shall be sacred Greco-Roman territory once more, never to plagued by any missionary disease ever again.
Anyway, wonder how this latest turn in the site's history affect the inclusion of Turkiye in the EU.
Whenever christians occupy heathen sites to then have these occupied by islamanania, christians always pretend what they had done before doesn't count (when they can't hide it away) and fingerpoint islam as the villain and themselves as the victims of it, wanting the world to commiserate with "poor persecuted christianism". And while christianism carefully conceals the heathen history of such heathen sites and the christian confiscation thereof, and pretends these sites were originally christian, in India christianism plays an inverse game: christianism (colludes in) propagating fictions of Hindus occupying/taking over others' temples, while the reverse is true (and usually demonstrably so).
Oooh, look what I found (when searching for the comment at JNE by a Turkish person who decided to revert to Hellenismos):
jesusneverexisted.com/wordofgod.htm
3rd century is a very timely observation: that's when the gospels first appeared/when they were first concocted.
[color="#0000FF"]The supporting data for all the statements I made in the previous post:[/color]
You can tell I'm not making anything up because my lips are not moving below:
1. hagiasophia.com/listingview.php?listingID=4&printer_friendly=yes
Quote:Constantine's Church
Known as the ââ¬ÅGreat Churchââ¬Â or ââ¬ÅMagna Ecclesiaââ¬Â in Latin, the first church was built at the same location where there had been a pagan temple before. It was Constantius II who inaugurated Hagia Sophia on 15 February 360. From the chronicles of Socrates of Constantinople, we know that the church was built by the orders of Constantine the Great.
This first church was a wooden-roofed basilica with a nave flanked by two or four aisles, each carrying a gallery storey. It was preceded by an atrium. This church was largely burned down in 404 during riots since patriarch John Chrysostom was sent into exile by the Emperor Arcadius.
(Christist emperor Arcadius inculturating on a heathen name, like church father John inculturating on the Hellenistic name Chrysostom, despite said John lecturing his sheep to abandon all sacred Hellenistic names. Now wasn't Arcadia an ancient Greek province? Although my own first familiarity with it was related to GE-999...)
2. archnet.org/library/sites/one-site.jsp?site_id=2966
Quote:The nave is paved with marble panels, which were revealed after the prayer rugs were removed in 1934. Its porphyry and verde antico columns, which were gathered from pagan temples of Western Anatolia, are crowned with elaborately carved capitals that bear the monogram of Justinian I.
[color="#800080"][etc. blablabla][/color]
And the christian "contributions" (vandalism of Hellenistic temple materials) there is then followed by the islamic contributions to the christian church:
Quote:There are many Ottoman additions visible in the nave, many of which were transformed during the Fossati restoration. Among earlier Ottoman work are two 16th century tile panels to the right of the mihrab, which depict the Holy Ka'aba and the other, shows the tomb of the Prophet. A band of blue tiles with Koranic inscriptions, signed 1607, wrap the sanctuary apsis below the window level. The marble minbar also believed to be of this period.Now let's not be biased: if christists can steal and vandalise the originally and forever-exclusively heathen sites and temple materials, then islamaniacs can similarly "decorate" and "make their own" the until-then temporarily christian phase. In reality, there's one set of Good guys and 2 sets of Bad Guys involved: the one heathen ancestral, original religion of the space (the Hellenistic religion) and the two missionary replacement religions that followed.
3. Early christian infighting destroyed the illegal church a couple of times. Part 1
livius.org/cn-cs/constantinople/constantinople_hagia_sophia.html
Quote:Constantinople (ðstanbul): Hagia Sophia
The main church of Constantinople was the famous Hagia Sophia, the Church of the Divine Wisdom. It was built near an older Christian sanctuary, the Church of Heavenly Peace or S. Irene. The two shrines were also called "the old church" and "the new church", for example in the Notitia Urbis Constaninopolianae.
The Hagia Sophia was built for the first time by the emperor Constantine the Great (306-337), but was not finished until the end of the reign of his son Constantius II: in 360, to be precise. Although the church was used by the patriarch, it was probably not yet the city's main church; when the emperor Theodosius invited the bishops to discuss the Nicene Creed (in 381), this First Council of Constantinople took place in the Church of Heavenly Peace, and not in the Hagia Sophia.
It was in the church of Constantine, situated directly to the north of the imperial palace, that patriarch John Chrysostom in 399 offered asylum to Eutropius, the right-hand man of the emperor Arcadius (395-408), when the powerful consul was attacked by the empress Eudoxia I. Although Eutropius was dead before the end of the year, Eudoxia now hated John, and did not test until she had him exiled. In 403, she was successful, when the Synod of the Oak condemned the patriarch for his support of several Origenist monks. When he was exiled to Bithynia, there was a riot, there were riots, and John was recalled.
Six months later, a silver statue of the empress was erected at Augusteôn Square near the Hagia Sophia. The patriarch protested against this pagan excess and Eudocia's vanity, and on 20 June 404 he was - rather predictably - sent into exile again, this time to Armenia. During the night of his departure, the Hagia Sophia burned down. In October, Eudoxia died of a miscarriage, soon followed by John. The rebuilding of the church was left to Arcadius' son Theodosius II (408-450) and his sister, Pulcheria.
This "Theodosian Church" was inaugurated on 10 October 415. In front of the current entrance of the Hagia Sophia, some remains of this monument are still visible in the garden before the entrance, and archaeologists believe that the cathedral of Theodosius II had more or less the same map as the third phase - which became necessary when the Theodosian Church was burned down during the Nika Riots (13 January 532). The first stone of the third Hagia Sophia was laid on 23 February, just forty-one days after the Theodosian Church had been pillaged and destroyed.
The architects of the new church, which is connected with the name of the emperor Justinian (527-565), were [...]
Plus the Arians - you know, one of the more famous early christian heretics - had already vandalised the meaningless christian trinkets (no doubt looted from where they had meaning) that Constantius II had lavished on the illegal church construction.
4. Part 2 of how early christian infighting destroyed the illegal church a couple of times: some further detail
constantinopleguide.com/Hagia-Sophia-tour.php
Quote:Hagia Sophia
Before the first Hagia Sophia was built there was a pagan temple on the same spot and Constantine The Great planned to build the first church there .Same place different door!!
The first Hagia Sophia was built by the Emperor Constantius,son of Constantin the great in 360 AD and it was a basilica planned church with a timbered roof.When the emperor Arcadius exiled the patriarch of Constantinople,John Chrisostom for his open criticism of the empress Eudoxia,people got angry and arsoned the first church in 404 AD.
11 years later emperor Theodosius II [color="#800080"](wait, of Theodosian code fame?)[/color] built second Hagia Sophia at the same site.The second church was again basilica planned and again had a timbered roof.The second church lasted a little bit longer than the first one but its destiny was almost same with the first one.People were having some fun with chariots in Hippodrome and two factions;The Blues and The Greens , had a fight and it turned into a big riot;NIKE RIOTS.Since the rioters shouted ''NIKE,NIKE,NIKE'' repeatedly during the riot ,it is known as NIKE RIOTS or NIKA RIOTS.They arsoned many public buildings and tried to depose the emperor JUstinian I [color="#800080"](again, he of "The Codes of Theodosius and Justinian"?)[/color].Actually he was scared to death and about to leave the city but his wife Theodora made a speech and changed the destiny.She convinced Justinian to stay and fight instead of leaving like a coward.And Justinian send his famous and glorious general Belisarius to handle the rioters.And he did it very well, killed them all in Hippodrome in 532. But it was too late for second Hagia Sophia.
10 days after the riots Justinian started to build a new church,a much bigger one and brought the best architects and workers of the country.They completed the work in five years and ten months and the third Hagia Sophia was opened for services in 537.It was the greates church of the Eastern Roman Empire at that time and used as a church till 1453.
When the Ottoman conquered the city,as a tradition, it was converted into a mosque and was a mosque till 1935 .
It was converted into a museum by the order of Ataturk ,the founder of the Turkish Republic, and is a museum now.
[...]
The above is also at slideshare.net/turkey_tours/hagia-sophia "Hagia sophia Document Transcript"
They were yelling "Nike"? Does it have a plain meaning in Greek, I wonder.
I know of the beautiful winged sculpture of the Goddess Nike of Samothrace (what remains of it). Nike is IIRC (but not sure at all) the Goddess of victory. A famous - but merely "secular art" - modern statue of her is in Germany I think.
[[color="#0000FF"]INSERT:[/color] the above blank-brained question followed by the answer is typical Husky, by the way: "Does [Nike] have a plain meaning in Greek, I wonder. Nike is IIRC ... the [Greek] Goddess of victory." <===> The Romans' Goddess Victoria, as is known, which yet again translates plainly what the meaning of Nike is - in a word that even I could understand. But as always, I couldn't add 2 and 2 together: "Since Nike - known as Victoria to the Romans - is the Goddess of victory, what could Nike possibly mean?" Duh. Public exhibitions of stupidity deserve to be lampooned.]
But these were rioters yelling "Nike". And they wanted the evil christist malevolence Justinian deposed? And he massacred them all, it says. Could they have been heathen protestors? (If so, maybe they tried to do away with the church to reclaim the heathen site.) But the fact that a christist madman massacred everybody present at some place doesn't necessarily imply that they couldn't have been christians whom he killed: christians - including christian rulers - are famous for murdering christians too, usually if they're of some heretical faction, if they're a challenge to the christian individual in charge/pose a threat to his power, or especially when there are no heathens left to murder for sport. But there were heathens left in Justinian's time: even as per the Codes of Theodosius and Justinian wherein they incrementally ban Hellenismos on pain of death, which they wouldn't have had to do if it had already been murdered out by christianism at that point.
The previous link says the Nike Riots were on 13 January 532.
Looking for the entries on Theodosius II and the Justinian who succeeded him at
ysee.gr/index-eng.php?type=english&f=lovestories
No mention of the riots. It only mentions the following incidents relating to this Justinian's reign:
Quote:528
Emperor Jutprada (Justinianus) outlaws the "alternative" Olympian Games of Antioch. He also orders the execution (by fire, crucifixion, tearing to pieces by wild beasts, or cutting by iron nails) of all who practice "sorcery, divination, magic or idolatry" and prohibits all teachings by the Gentiles ("..the ones suffering from the blasphemous insanity of the Hellenes").
529
Emperor Justinianus outlaws the Athenian Philosophical Academy, which has its property confiscated.
532
The inquisitor Ioannis Asiacus, a fanatical monk, leads a crusade against the Gentiles of [color="#FF0000"]Asia Minor[/color].
542
Emperor Justinianus allows the inquisitor Ioannis Asiacus to convert the Gentiles of Phrygia, Caria and Lydia in Asia Minor. Within 35 years of this crusade, 99 churches and 12 monasteries are built on the sites of demolished Pagan Temples.
542
Emperor Justinianus allows the inquisitor Ioannis Asiacus to convert the Gentiles of Phrygia, Caria and Lydia in Asia Minor. Within 35 years of this crusade, 99 churches and 12 monasteries are built on the sites of demolished Pagan Temples.
546
Hundreds of Gentiles are put to death in Constantinople by the inquisitor Ioannis Asiacus.
556
Justinianus orders the notorious inquisitor Amantius to go to Antioch, to find, arrest, torture and exterminate the last Gentiles of the city and burn all the private libraries down.
562
Mass arrests, burlesquing, tortures, imprisonments and executions of Gentile Hellenes in Athens, Antioch, Palmyra and Constantinople.
Hmmm, the following page says that Justinian was making promises to the protestors on the babble - with the expectation that they would understand and value this, i.e. that the audience of protestors was (largely? wholly?) christian - and the page also reveals that the protestors were clammering for Justinian's in-all-likelihood christist nephew Hypatius to replace him as emperor (plus it reveals that Nike means "conquer"):
cliojournal.wikispaces.com/Justinian+and+the+nike+riots
Actually, reading that page in entirety is reminiscent of the Congress' mass-scale corruption - thumbing their nose at the populace - and seen in India today, a topic that is similarly eclipsing the simultaneous ongoing suppression of Hindu religion by the christist KKKongress.
5. The search engine search result snippet for awesomeplanet.org/hagia-sophia-istambul
describes the Hagia Sofia as "a former patriarchal basilica, later a mosque, now a museum"
(i.e. dargah to the christian patriarchs). Can't find the actual statement on the page though, perhaps I didn't finish loading it.
6. This next is from a blog, making it unofficial, but it has photo evidence of Hellenistic symbols to none other than the blue-haired/black-haired Poseidon:
travelreportage.com/2012/07/01/pagan-symbols-in-hagia-sophia
Quote:2 Pagan symbols in Hagia Sophia
Posted on 1 Jul ââ¬â¢12 by Giulia Tweet As many of you know, Hagia Sophia was once a Bizantine church. It was converted to a Mosque by Sultan Mehmed II and nowadays it is a museum.
Most of the Christian features were removed but many others are still there, together with some pagan symbols that we can often find in churches. This is because Christians have adopted and converted pagan symbols since the early times of its expansion.
[color="#800080"][photo caption:][/color] Cross and trident symbols in Hagia Sophia
The trident and the dolphins (on the right) are related to the God Neptune (or Poseidon in Greek) and the dolphins are always associated to this God as well as to the legend of Atlantis.
(In Hindus' Bharatam, shoolam is Shiva's laanChanam and, though not a River God himself, his sacred hair is associated with dolphins and many other famous water animals since these are found in the sacred Ganga running down from his head/the Himalayas the great shivalingam.)
[color="#800080"][photo caption:][/color] Temple signs on the entrance of Hagia Sophia
On the main gate there are embossed columns, indicating the entrance to the temple.
[color="#800080"][photo caption:][/color] A typical Pagan altar in Hagia Sophia
In the Pagan rituals, the altar was (is) used for offers to the Deities. This is something that Christianity has adopted for its worship.
[color="#800080"][photo caption:][/color] Another trident and dolphins, symbols of Atlantis, in Hagia Sophia
Another representation of tridents and dolphins, indicating some form of worship to Neptune/Poseidon and a reference to Atlantis.
[color="#800080"](Christians only left alone remnants of such original Hellenstic temple parts used in the illegal church because christians typically didn't know these were all sacred symbols and how they were intimately associated with the Olympic Gods.)[/color]
[...]
[color="#800080"](Then the site notices some freemasonry symbols tattoed onto remains. Don't know why the writer of the blog entry expressed mild surprise at their presence: freemasons are the separate christo cult that "built" christian churches/were called in to convert temple remains to christian churches. They are called freemasons for a reason.)[/color]
[...]
So, it was a temple to Neptune-Poseidon (and perhaps other Olympic Gods), eh? And shall be again. First step already accomplished: christianism is no longer occupying the site. Islamania will turn it into a bad memory. And then, sooner-than-eventually, islamania too will be dislodged from the site, the country and the planet, and Phrygia and all Anatolia shall be sacred Greco-Roman territory once more, never to plagued by any missionary disease ever again.
Anyway, wonder how this latest turn in the site's history affect the inclusion of Turkiye in the EU.
Whenever christians occupy heathen sites to then have these occupied by islamanania, christians always pretend what they had done before doesn't count (when they can't hide it away) and fingerpoint islam as the villain and themselves as the victims of it, wanting the world to commiserate with "poor persecuted christianism". And while christianism carefully conceals the heathen history of such heathen sites and the christian confiscation thereof, and pretends these sites were originally christian, in India christianism plays an inverse game: christianism (colludes in) propagating fictions of Hindus occupying/taking over others' temples, while the reverse is true (and usually demonstrably so).
Oooh, look what I found (when searching for the comment at JNE by a Turkish person who decided to revert to Hellenismos):
jesusneverexisted.com/wordofgod.htm
Quote:False Accreditation
"Every one knows that the Evangeliums were written neither by Jesus nor his apostles, but long after their time by some unknown persons, who, judging well that they would hardly be believed when telling of things they had not seen themselves, headed their narratives with the names of the apostles or of disciples contemporaneous with the latter."
ââ¬â Bishop Fauste (Manichean heretic, 3rd century AD)
3rd century is a very timely observation: that's when the gospels first appeared/when they were first concocted.