4/4
6. thehindu.com/news/international/world/maids-family-evacuated-to-us-bharara/article5477828.ece
Chindu dutifully lets Preet Bharara - spokesperson for his US govt (hired for this purpose on account of his 'native' looks, he's flattering himself is he's hired for anything else) - Chindu lets Preet present the predictably US line/version of events. I mean, when does the Chindu *not* present the POV of its paymasters and ideological affiliants and natural allies - China, US, TSP?
But despite Preet's (or rather the script of his instructors') best efforts, even the US PR machine can't spin the evacuation in any way that sounds convincing as to its 'innocent benefactor' routine: it looks more like a CIA spy job than ever.
Also interesting is that (EDIT: Link corrected):
firstpost.com/world/devyani-live-sherman-calls-up-sujatha-distances-from-bharara-1291025.html
DNA's tweet was:
But the comments at The Chindu - minus the obvious plants - are interesting:
There are many right-wing conservative Christian vested interests operating a lot in the official and unofficial circles in the US. They like to constantly project India in a negative light so as to justify their bigotry and biases to their constituency. Hence they are working overtime to ensure that Hindus from so-called untouchable castes are not shown to be successful, for it defeats their propaganda. In this case Devayani happens to be Dalit which I came to know through an American news organization, which talked nonsense about caste discrimination (since it involves a servant maid). Such reasons may also explain why the religious lobby in this country worked hard to deny Modi a visa.
It is sad but very true that for every 1 good broad-minded Americans there are 2 rotten mean-spirited ones in this country.
There absolutely no sympathy
from: Bala Subramanian Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 17:06 IST
If it is issue of both Indians then how can you appoint a baby sitter (sangeetha) with a salary of nearly 75% of salary of the diplomat (Devyani Khobragade).Before arresting you should look in the facts of the case and immunity if any.The baby sitter was given enough salary to sustain here self and family and the food and accommodation was free.This is the reason why we support only Devyani Khobragade
from: SOORAJ
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 17:06 IST
The question is what compelled the US to go to such a length as to help
a domestic maid and her family. It is not that they were not aware of
the protests that would follow. The US was ready to sacrifice, albeit
temporarily, the good relation that they are trying to nurture with
India. They did not deport David Coleman Headley to India to face
charges in the 26/11 Mumbai attacks. If they were so eager about justice
been delivered, they should have handed Headley over to India. There is
a greater design behind this incident than that meets the eye.
from: Kaushik Saha
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 16:20 IST
This is a planned operation.
Bharara is a lifelong Bruce Springsteen fan. At an October 2012 concert in Hartford, Connecticut, Springsteen shouted, ââ∠âThis is for Preet Bharara!âââ¬Ã before launching into his song ââ∠âDeath to My Hometown.âââ¬ÃÂ[60]
The US is allowing Bharara to practise the song he likes.
His target is to pick on Indian offenders Big or large.
So he has planned the move properly. When the maid was missing we should have known that the CIA/FBI/Govt is behind this. They have identified the maids family and shifted them to US.(Spy operation). Just to embarrass India.
If India does not decisively defend our status it will stand major embarrassment, when the US dept of justice will produce the maid in the court. And the maid will throw mud on all things Indian.
from: ravi
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 15:55 IST
What he meant by 'Evacuated'? That means US officials knows everything about the things happened so it is clearly a conspiracy. The Maid have been under the protection of US. Then many questions answered. First of all why they have given Visa to the Maid? Why they did not find out the 'missing' maid and send back to India? Why US given visa to maid's family? Hopefully that maid is not working as a spy for US CIA. But why US wanted to insult Indian diplomat?
Striping is considered as sexual assault here. But most painful thing is arresting a Mother in front of her kids from there school premises. Imagine the psychological trauma of her kids! Is anyone thing about it? Sad!
from: Krishnakumar KA
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 15:55 IST
Mayawati is doing horrendous job by bringing dalit card.
from: Sharath
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 15:25 IST
> The fact that Sangeeth Richard was trafficked into US, by fudging the Visa papers is a big issue which India should be ashamed of with Devyani. Now her father calls up Sushil Kumar Shinde (our home minister) and claims that the Khobragades are being illtreated in the US because they are Dalits...is a joke. How come the whole of India is just haggling on the fact that an Indian is being mistreated in the US ? Devyani has agreed to be positioned in the US embassy (I am sure she would have had a good clout in the India IAS circles to be posted there in US) and how can she commit this fraud,.. did she think she is dealing with Indian red tape as usual ?
There is vey little outrage about the alleged treatment of the "victim" in this case
because no matter how she presents her case, she was party to the crime while it
seemed to uplift her situation.
She willingly travelled with the diplomat knowing she would be required to work as
a full time maid and babysitter, most likely what she had been employed as with
India too. She was getting paid 30,000 a month, which is nearly triple of what she
would have earned in India doing the same and living in worse conditions.
She saw a brilliant opportunity and seized it. Upon reaching the US, she saw
another brilliant opportunity, to sue her employer for the fraud they had
committed together.
Did the diplomat break the law? Yes, she did. Does she deserve to be charged for
it, sure. Did she deserve to be treated more respectfully considering her position,
maybe.
But does Ms. Richard deserve sympathy?
Not one bit.
from: Goyal
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 15:11 IST
Don't be too quick in judging Ms.Khobragade as criminal and all. She was
getting paid just above the $4500 mark. So now the biggest culprit here
is the Indian government. It may be argued that Ms. Devyani's
employer too ill treated her by giving her less wages(According to
american standards). So Mr. Bharara, Would you dare invoke the same
laws against Government of India? No, you won't.
from: Jibin Elakatt
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 14:44 IST
Since when does the policy of 'evacuating' a victim/victim's family from their homeland by a foreign nation been in place? Mr. Bharara has used a faulty term, while giving a "3-page explanation".
The maid has just 'accused' the diplomat of violating U.S. laws by underpaying her and forcing her to work for 19 hours a day, and she has not been 'convicted' for the same.
One wonders WHY the U.S. government did not respond to a series of requests made by the Indian Embassy, of tracing the Indian maid, who was missing since June this year, and was blackmailing Ms. Khobragade.
One wonders even more pointedly as to WHY State Departmentâââ‰â¢s letter dated September 4, was one-sided and projected the interest of the missing maid and did NOT take note of any of the communications made by the Indian officials to the U.S.
One also wonders even if the allegations are true, why not the Indian Government was called in to look into the matter which makes for civil breach and not human-trafficking charge?
from: Arush Mittal
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 14:36 IST
Tell Mr Bahara that, any security to the family could have been provided by Indian Authorities.. Tell him, that he is slowly giving away the Conspiracy of CIA in this issue.. So if he shuts up, things can be cleaned up better..
from: Richerdson
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 14:27 IST
There is Indian government, police and judicial system to protect some family if a need arrives. Police protection is given to individuals if there is a real danger.
By stating that USA had to 'evacuate' Sangeeta's family in order to put them in a safe place (which they thought is USA), you have simultaneously expressed distrust in Indian judicial system as well. It amounts to saying that the govt of India, including judiciary was involved in threatening Sangeeta Richard's family.
What a ridiculous excuse !
from: Dinesh Kumar Bohre
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 14:01 IST
I expect the US taxpayer would want to know why so much public time and money was spent to "evacuate" Sangeeta Richardâââ‰â¢s family from India. With so many people in the world not having a roof over their heads, this appears extravagant. Perhaps it is part of bringing Christmas cheer to Christians around the world.
from: P. Subramaniam
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 14:01 IST
The over reaction of Bharara shows that
there are still people of the British period who had worked for British
govt. against Indians. It is better not to link such person with India.
Secondly, some of our illiterate politicians can't think beyond DALIT or
UPPER caste. How many people were aware before , that Ms. Khobragade is a
Dalit? Shame on such politician. If a person has reached to such a
high position, how could she be a Dalit.
from: RamS
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 14:00 IST
Please stop calling these people as Indian-born Americans, just call
them Americans. These people are more threat to India than native
Americans. They may sell the whole country for their gains.
from: dinesh
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 13:57 IST
Its true that false documents were submitted and prosecution has to
happen. But the broader question is how can she pay such amount which
was nearly her own salary. Devyani gets Indian designed salary whereas
her domestic help is asking for US designed minimum wages. If what
everyone says is true that domestic helper was exploited or trafficked
there then now she is illegal immigrant to that country and equally
culpable. But when India asked US to arrest her then How can an illegal
immigrant was allowed to be lifted from India even if arrest warrant
was issued on her. Completely trusting Domestic maid is also
difficult. She has used the Existing US laws on Domestic Workers to
her benefit. And it all happened after she was lifted to US. Mistake
happened on both sides.
But the main issue for government was not the wages but the treatment
that was meted out to her which she never deserved in the first place.
from: pawan
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 13:47 IST
US authorities planned Indian diplomat's arrest, her maid's family
secret evacuation from India with T-Visas on the same time they
conducted talk with visiting Indian Foreign Secretary Ms. Sujatha
Singh without any hint about all these developments. This clearly
shows there is some motivated selective targeting of Indian diplomat
by some of US administration. This arrangements cannot be done without
briefing US higher authorities like Secretary of State John Kerry at
least. This demolishing the illusion of India-US enjoying extremely
friendly relation. India should be more vigilant with the
international relations and defense cooperation.
from: Dr K Karthik Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 13:46 IST
Mr. Bharara smacks of the Prejudiced Mindset of a Racist nation which beleives its Laws are the sovereign throughout the world.India has done absolutely what any self respecting nation should have done Try doing what they did to our diplomat to an ordinary US citizen as per Indian Penal code & then hear what Mr.Bharara has to say..!!Somebody has to standup to this US brazenness and its good that India has at least tried to stand up to all that which clearly reflects the Malafide & deliberate action on the part of US to insult a lady....Mr.Bharara's argument for the Maid smacks of the highhanded conspiracy that state department is accused of specifically in this case.....Can't Believe and Indian Born American attorney can justify this with such brazenness...
from: Ashley Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 13:45 IST
India is not north Korea, USA need not evacuate any person from India.
Any country cannot be the police and prosecutor of all the 'alleged' victims of the world.
If India made request to US on the matter, then it should have been responded, as she was facing the law in India.
Instead, she was 'evacuated to protect her and her family'. That sounds a bit ridiculous, that US govt is saving a family in India to prosecute her employer in USA.
Here the lawyer is assuming that all the allegations made by the maid are true.
Assume a case, if any man walking on the street accuses a US diplomat of Gay sex, now India hides the victim and arrest the diplomat and subjects them to standard procedures of Indian judicial system. What will the USA do?
from: Abhinav Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 13:27 IST
As Sealion and more recently Rajeev2004 observed: Anytime all the christo party's polical heads in India - from Congress down - agree/start getting offended unanimously by alien acrobatics (when MMS was famous for kissing up to the US and Britain until yesterday) and any time all the christomedia in India is in on it and raving about it like "it's the biggest thing evah", it just means they're all going through the big charade in order to black out more important news taking place in the background. US really came through again in manufacturing the latest drama that it wants screened on Indian TV and radio to keep people occupied and stop them from being made aware of the other stuff.
But it's interesting that it turned out to be another case involing 'Indian' spies working for the US too. Or maybe that's the big thing that the Indian puppet christogovt is covering for their US masters for, by means of all this loud pretence at being offended?
6. thehindu.com/news/international/world/maids-family-evacuated-to-us-bharara/article5477828.ece
Chindu dutifully lets Preet Bharara - spokesperson for his US govt (hired for this purpose on account of his 'native' looks, he's flattering himself is he's hired for anything else) - Chindu lets Preet present the predictably US line/version of events. I mean, when does the Chindu *not* present the POV of its paymasters and ideological affiliants and natural allies - China, US, TSP?
But despite Preet's (or rather the script of his instructors') best efforts, even the US PR machine can't spin the evacuation in any way that sounds convincing as to its 'innocent benefactor' routine: it looks more like a CIA spy job than ever.
Also interesting is that (EDIT: Link corrected):
firstpost.com/world/devyani-live-sherman-calls-up-sujatha-distances-from-bharara-1291025.html
Quote:During the 20-25 minute long call, Sherman also distanced State Department from the statement issued by US Attorney Preet Bharara, PTI reported.
DNA's tweet was:
Quote:MEA refutes US attorney Preet Bharara's statement on #DevyaniKhobragade being extended courtesies
[color="#0000FF"]ttp://dnai.in/bW4L[/color] 3:45 AM - 20 Dec 2013
But the comments at The Chindu - minus the obvious plants - are interesting:
There are many right-wing conservative Christian vested interests operating a lot in the official and unofficial circles in the US. They like to constantly project India in a negative light so as to justify their bigotry and biases to their constituency. Hence they are working overtime to ensure that Hindus from so-called untouchable castes are not shown to be successful, for it defeats their propaganda. In this case Devayani happens to be Dalit which I came to know through an American news organization, which talked nonsense about caste discrimination (since it involves a servant maid). Such reasons may also explain why the religious lobby in this country worked hard to deny Modi a visa.
It is sad but very true that for every 1 good broad-minded Americans there are 2 rotten mean-spirited ones in this country.
There absolutely no sympathy
from: Bala Subramanian Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 17:06 IST
If it is issue of both Indians then how can you appoint a baby sitter (sangeetha) with a salary of nearly 75% of salary of the diplomat (Devyani Khobragade).Before arresting you should look in the facts of the case and immunity if any.The baby sitter was given enough salary to sustain here self and family and the food and accommodation was free.This is the reason why we support only Devyani Khobragade
from: SOORAJ
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 17:06 IST
The question is what compelled the US to go to such a length as to help
a domestic maid and her family. It is not that they were not aware of
the protests that would follow. The US was ready to sacrifice, albeit
temporarily, the good relation that they are trying to nurture with
India. They did not deport David Coleman Headley to India to face
charges in the 26/11 Mumbai attacks. If they were so eager about justice
been delivered, they should have handed Headley over to India. There is
a greater design behind this incident than that meets the eye.
from: Kaushik Saha
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 16:20 IST
This is a planned operation.
Bharara is a lifelong Bruce Springsteen fan. At an October 2012 concert in Hartford, Connecticut, Springsteen shouted, ââ∠âThis is for Preet Bharara!âââ¬Ã before launching into his song ââ∠âDeath to My Hometown.âââ¬ÃÂ[60]
The US is allowing Bharara to practise the song he likes.
His target is to pick on Indian offenders Big or large.
So he has planned the move properly. When the maid was missing we should have known that the CIA/FBI/Govt is behind this. They have identified the maids family and shifted them to US.(Spy operation). Just to embarrass India.
If India does not decisively defend our status it will stand major embarrassment, when the US dept of justice will produce the maid in the court. And the maid will throw mud on all things Indian.
from: ravi
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 15:55 IST
What he meant by 'Evacuated'? That means US officials knows everything about the things happened so it is clearly a conspiracy. The Maid have been under the protection of US. Then many questions answered. First of all why they have given Visa to the Maid? Why they did not find out the 'missing' maid and send back to India? Why US given visa to maid's family? Hopefully that maid is not working as a spy for US CIA. But why US wanted to insult Indian diplomat?
Striping is considered as sexual assault here. But most painful thing is arresting a Mother in front of her kids from there school premises. Imagine the psychological trauma of her kids! Is anyone thing about it? Sad!
from: Krishnakumar KA
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 15:55 IST
Mayawati is doing horrendous job by bringing dalit card.
from: Sharath
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 15:25 IST
> The fact that Sangeeth Richard was trafficked into US, by fudging the Visa papers is a big issue which India should be ashamed of with Devyani. Now her father calls up Sushil Kumar Shinde (our home minister) and claims that the Khobragades are being illtreated in the US because they are Dalits...is a joke. How come the whole of India is just haggling on the fact that an Indian is being mistreated in the US ? Devyani has agreed to be positioned in the US embassy (I am sure she would have had a good clout in the India IAS circles to be posted there in US) and how can she commit this fraud,.. did she think she is dealing with Indian red tape as usual ?
There is vey little outrage about the alleged treatment of the "victim" in this case
because no matter how she presents her case, she was party to the crime while it
seemed to uplift her situation.
She willingly travelled with the diplomat knowing she would be required to work as
a full time maid and babysitter, most likely what she had been employed as with
India too. She was getting paid 30,000 a month, which is nearly triple of what she
would have earned in India doing the same and living in worse conditions.
She saw a brilliant opportunity and seized it. Upon reaching the US, she saw
another brilliant opportunity, to sue her employer for the fraud they had
committed together.
Did the diplomat break the law? Yes, she did. Does she deserve to be charged for
it, sure. Did she deserve to be treated more respectfully considering her position,
maybe.
But does Ms. Richard deserve sympathy?
Not one bit.
from: Goyal
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 15:11 IST
Don't be too quick in judging Ms.Khobragade as criminal and all. She was
getting paid just above the $4500 mark. So now the biggest culprit here
is the Indian government. It may be argued that Ms. Devyani's
employer too ill treated her by giving her less wages(According to
american standards). So Mr. Bharara, Would you dare invoke the same
laws against Government of India? No, you won't.
from: Jibin Elakatt
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 14:44 IST
Since when does the policy of 'evacuating' a victim/victim's family from their homeland by a foreign nation been in place? Mr. Bharara has used a faulty term, while giving a "3-page explanation".
The maid has just 'accused' the diplomat of violating U.S. laws by underpaying her and forcing her to work for 19 hours a day, and she has not been 'convicted' for the same.
One wonders WHY the U.S. government did not respond to a series of requests made by the Indian Embassy, of tracing the Indian maid, who was missing since June this year, and was blackmailing Ms. Khobragade.
One wonders even more pointedly as to WHY State Departmentâââ‰â¢s letter dated September 4, was one-sided and projected the interest of the missing maid and did NOT take note of any of the communications made by the Indian officials to the U.S.
One also wonders even if the allegations are true, why not the Indian Government was called in to look into the matter which makes for civil breach and not human-trafficking charge?
from: Arush Mittal
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 14:36 IST
Tell Mr Bahara that, any security to the family could have been provided by Indian Authorities.. Tell him, that he is slowly giving away the Conspiracy of CIA in this issue.. So if he shuts up, things can be cleaned up better..
from: Richerdson
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 14:27 IST
There is Indian government, police and judicial system to protect some family if a need arrives. Police protection is given to individuals if there is a real danger.
By stating that USA had to 'evacuate' Sangeeta's family in order to put them in a safe place (which they thought is USA), you have simultaneously expressed distrust in Indian judicial system as well. It amounts to saying that the govt of India, including judiciary was involved in threatening Sangeeta Richard's family.
What a ridiculous excuse !
from: Dinesh Kumar Bohre
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 14:01 IST
I expect the US taxpayer would want to know why so much public time and money was spent to "evacuate" Sangeeta Richardâââ‰â¢s family from India. With so many people in the world not having a roof over their heads, this appears extravagant. Perhaps it is part of bringing Christmas cheer to Christians around the world.
from: P. Subramaniam
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 14:01 IST
The over reaction of Bharara shows that
there are still people of the British period who had worked for British
govt. against Indians. It is better not to link such person with India.
Secondly, some of our illiterate politicians can't think beyond DALIT or
UPPER caste. How many people were aware before , that Ms. Khobragade is a
Dalit? Shame on such politician. If a person has reached to such a
high position, how could she be a Dalit.
from: RamS
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 14:00 IST
Please stop calling these people as Indian-born Americans, just call
them Americans. These people are more threat to India than native
Americans. They may sell the whole country for their gains.
from: dinesh
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 13:57 IST
Its true that false documents were submitted and prosecution has to
happen. But the broader question is how can she pay such amount which
was nearly her own salary. Devyani gets Indian designed salary whereas
her domestic help is asking for US designed minimum wages. If what
everyone says is true that domestic helper was exploited or trafficked
there then now she is illegal immigrant to that country and equally
culpable. But when India asked US to arrest her then How can an illegal
immigrant was allowed to be lifted from India even if arrest warrant
was issued on her. Completely trusting Domestic maid is also
difficult. She has used the Existing US laws on Domestic Workers to
her benefit. And it all happened after she was lifted to US. Mistake
happened on both sides.
But the main issue for government was not the wages but the treatment
that was meted out to her which she never deserved in the first place.
from: pawan
Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 13:47 IST
US authorities planned Indian diplomat's arrest, her maid's family
secret evacuation from India with T-Visas on the same time they
conducted talk with visiting Indian Foreign Secretary Ms. Sujatha
Singh without any hint about all these developments. This clearly
shows there is some motivated selective targeting of Indian diplomat
by some of US administration. This arrangements cannot be done without
briefing US higher authorities like Secretary of State John Kerry at
least. This demolishing the illusion of India-US enjoying extremely
friendly relation. India should be more vigilant with the
international relations and defense cooperation.
from: Dr K Karthik Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 13:46 IST
Mr. Bharara smacks of the Prejudiced Mindset of a Racist nation which beleives its Laws are the sovereign throughout the world.India has done absolutely what any self respecting nation should have done Try doing what they did to our diplomat to an ordinary US citizen as per Indian Penal code & then hear what Mr.Bharara has to say..!!Somebody has to standup to this US brazenness and its good that India has at least tried to stand up to all that which clearly reflects the Malafide & deliberate action on the part of US to insult a lady....Mr.Bharara's argument for the Maid smacks of the highhanded conspiracy that state department is accused of specifically in this case.....Can't Believe and Indian Born American attorney can justify this with such brazenness...
from: Ashley Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 13:45 IST
India is not north Korea, USA need not evacuate any person from India.
Any country cannot be the police and prosecutor of all the 'alleged' victims of the world.
If India made request to US on the matter, then it should have been responded, as she was facing the law in India.
Instead, she was 'evacuated to protect her and her family'. That sounds a bit ridiculous, that US govt is saving a family in India to prosecute her employer in USA.
Here the lawyer is assuming that all the allegations made by the maid are true.
Assume a case, if any man walking on the street accuses a US diplomat of Gay sex, now India hides the victim and arrest the diplomat and subjects them to standard procedures of Indian judicial system. What will the USA do?
from: Abhinav Posted on: Dec 19, 2013 at 13:27 IST
As Sealion and more recently Rajeev2004 observed: Anytime all the christo party's polical heads in India - from Congress down - agree/start getting offended unanimously by alien acrobatics (when MMS was famous for kissing up to the US and Britain until yesterday) and any time all the christomedia in India is in on it and raving about it like "it's the biggest thing evah", it just means they're all going through the big charade in order to black out more important news taking place in the background. US really came through again in manufacturing the latest drama that it wants screened on Indian TV and radio to keep people occupied and stop them from being made aware of the other stuff.
But it's interesting that it turned out to be another case involing 'Indian' spies working for the US too. Or maybe that's the big thing that the Indian puppet christogovt is covering for their US masters for, by means of all this loud pretence at being offended?