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Native Australian (Australian Aboriginal) - and Indra vs Vritra
blackdrago.com/fame/rainbowserpent.htm
Thunder is often associated with drought/dry spells and giant dark rain-carrying clouds that result in subsquent thunderstorms* with torrential rains and floods. * Especially when large fronts (of warm air clashing with cool air of extreme gradient differential) meet at high mountains.
Vritra is supposed to be a monster - described as sky serpent on western sites - that blocked the light from the sky, drank up all the waters and huddled on mountains, hogging it, which caused drought everywhere. Bhagavaan dambhoLi-paaNi then fought it with his thunder and lighting and subdued it, thereby releasing the rains again.
Perhaps one way to understand it is that the sky serpent itself is the giant dark rain-bearing clouds as these had soaked up all the atmospheric water. In the (sub)tropics at least, (often after a dry spell) eventually a front forms that, as it clashes with a cold front especially as happens at the walls of high mountains, it often precipitates inevitably in a thunderstorm - a complete electrical storm - resulting in torrential rains. As happens for instance in S American massive mountain ranges. I have to admit I'm worse than terrible at geography/meteorological science, so instead, refer to the brilliant episode "Atmosphere" of IIRC the BBC documentary "Earth: the Power of the Planet", the section on electrical and thunderstorms on one side of the ...Andes (?) I think it was.
This explanation seems to be what the Iroquois tradition of Serpent vs Thunder God - pasted somewhere above - seems on surface to allude to (I could be wrong).
So the sky becomes dark, Mahendran battles Vritra intensely - there's lighting and loud thunder to show for the signs of this intense battle - and eventually Bhagavaan Indra released the rains from the water-hogging sky serpent. Jai.
(Of course, Indran is literally true and real, and so Indra vs Vritra would be essentially real at some level - this being the heathen position.) I'm just trying to reason why this sort of thing tends to often be seen throughout the world: why water-hogging and thunder and great rain/storms logically often go together in narratives about Gods, as do the other water-related cases of local rivers and seas flooding. These things are especially seen when serpents - including sky serpents - (who are sometimes the Gods themselves*, and at other times/elsewhere subdued by the Gods) are thought to have weather-control and/or flood-control** to some extent, and/or are associated with waters and the sky. [E Asian Longs live in waters - and control it - and can fly through the sky too, like sky serpents, controlling the rains to snow and hail.]
Repeating also the Iroquois Native American narrative, as it seems relevant:
archive.org/stream/serpentworshipin211hamb/serpentworshipin211hamb_djvu.txt
The serpent here is not directly stated to have gobbled up all the water, but it did swallow the "thunder boy" [product of thunder?/what usually follows or relates logically whenever thunder is heard? i.e. rain] whom Thunder et al then released from the serpent's grasp. It sounds like a sky serpent, if only because Thunder tends to be detected in the sky somewhere.
*Yurlungur the Australian Great Father Serpent in himself produces both the thunder and great rains and floods. His speaking voice being the thunder seems to fit with how thunder is associated with what often accompanies it: (thunder)storms, rains, floods.
Rainbow Serpents being associated with rainbows, weather and the waters of earth could again be because rainbows naturally appear when the sun appears after rain(storm). And Indran is not just the God of Rain and doesn't just wield the dambholi, but his indraayudha generates rainbows.
** Unlike Yurlungur the Great Father, who seems to have weather and water control on a large scale in native Australian cosmology, some Giant magical snakes are only local, being Rivers. And hence may not be described/known to control the rains so much, certainly not all over/not outside their reigions. But rivers can flood - which is considered to be a matter in the presiding Dragon/Serpent's purview. Orochi is considered to be a Giant Snake of this last kind I think and related to the Hii river. Other Giant Snakes seem to have control over the flooding of the lake in which they live. The River Long battled by Erlang Shen presided both over the local River and the regional rain: this is common about Longs presiding over waters. Thats why the River Long is described as raining on the region when landing at his temple base, as well as his causing his river to flood when he didn't get his sacrifices. Daoist Longs of water realm control water (flood) and weather (torrential rains) in the entire region that they preside over (e.g. in the case of Dragon Kings, the entire sea for which they are the appointed Dragon King.)
Post 2/?
Native Australian (Australian Aboriginal) - and Indra vs Vritra
blackdrago.com/fame/rainbowserpent.htm
Quote:Yurlungur / Great Father
Yurlungur is similar to Warramunga. He was also a symbol of changing a boy to a man and of fertility. Many believe that the "evil maiden-eating" dragon theme was derived from him. After all, he swallowed to girls that wandered into his cave. Thunder was said to sound when his voice spoke. It was also said that he caused the great flood. He spit into the sky and caused great rain to fall. (Wawalik sisters were said to play a role in this as well.) [1]
Thunder is often associated with drought/dry spells and giant dark rain-carrying clouds that result in subsquent thunderstorms* with torrential rains and floods. * Especially when large fronts (of warm air clashing with cool air of extreme gradient differential) meet at high mountains.
Vritra is supposed to be a monster - described as sky serpent on western sites - that blocked the light from the sky, drank up all the waters and huddled on mountains, hogging it, which caused drought everywhere. Bhagavaan dambhoLi-paaNi then fought it with his thunder and lighting and subdued it, thereby releasing the rains again.
Perhaps one way to understand it is that the sky serpent itself is the giant dark rain-bearing clouds as these had soaked up all the atmospheric water. In the (sub)tropics at least, (often after a dry spell) eventually a front forms that, as it clashes with a cold front especially as happens at the walls of high mountains, it often precipitates inevitably in a thunderstorm - a complete electrical storm - resulting in torrential rains. As happens for instance in S American massive mountain ranges. I have to admit I'm worse than terrible at geography/meteorological science, so instead, refer to the brilliant episode "Atmosphere" of IIRC the BBC documentary "Earth: the Power of the Planet", the section on electrical and thunderstorms on one side of the ...Andes (?) I think it was.
This explanation seems to be what the Iroquois tradition of Serpent vs Thunder God - pasted somewhere above - seems on surface to allude to (I could be wrong).
So the sky becomes dark, Mahendran battles Vritra intensely - there's lighting and loud thunder to show for the signs of this intense battle - and eventually Bhagavaan Indra released the rains from the water-hogging sky serpent. Jai.
(Of course, Indran is literally true and real, and so Indra vs Vritra would be essentially real at some level - this being the heathen position.) I'm just trying to reason why this sort of thing tends to often be seen throughout the world: why water-hogging and thunder and great rain/storms logically often go together in narratives about Gods, as do the other water-related cases of local rivers and seas flooding. These things are especially seen when serpents - including sky serpents - (who are sometimes the Gods themselves*, and at other times/elsewhere subdued by the Gods) are thought to have weather-control and/or flood-control** to some extent, and/or are associated with waters and the sky. [E Asian Longs live in waters - and control it - and can fly through the sky too, like sky serpents, controlling the rains to snow and hail.]
Repeating also the Iroquois Native American narrative, as it seems relevant:
archive.org/stream/serpentworshipin211hamb/serpentworshipin211hamb_djvu.txt
Quote:In the Iroquoian myth the monster is a horned serpent which swallowed the thunder boy, who was eventually rescued by Thunder and his warriors.
The serpent here is not directly stated to have gobbled up all the water, but it did swallow the "thunder boy" [product of thunder?/what usually follows or relates logically whenever thunder is heard? i.e. rain] whom Thunder et al then released from the serpent's grasp. It sounds like a sky serpent, if only because Thunder tends to be detected in the sky somewhere.
*Yurlungur the Australian Great Father Serpent in himself produces both the thunder and great rains and floods. His speaking voice being the thunder seems to fit with how thunder is associated with what often accompanies it: (thunder)storms, rains, floods.
Rainbow Serpents being associated with rainbows, weather and the waters of earth could again be because rainbows naturally appear when the sun appears after rain(storm). And Indran is not just the God of Rain and doesn't just wield the dambholi, but his indraayudha generates rainbows.
** Unlike Yurlungur the Great Father, who seems to have weather and water control on a large scale in native Australian cosmology, some Giant magical snakes are only local, being Rivers. And hence may not be described/known to control the rains so much, certainly not all over/not outside their reigions. But rivers can flood - which is considered to be a matter in the presiding Dragon/Serpent's purview. Orochi is considered to be a Giant Snake of this last kind I think and related to the Hii river. Other Giant Snakes seem to have control over the flooding of the lake in which they live. The River Long battled by Erlang Shen presided both over the local River and the regional rain: this is common about Longs presiding over waters. Thats why the River Long is described as raining on the region when landing at his temple base, as well as his causing his river to flood when he didn't get his sacrifices. Daoist Longs of water realm control water (flood) and weather (torrential rains) in the entire region that they preside over (e.g. in the case of Dragon Kings, the entire sea for which they are the appointed Dragon King.)