Not on dragons anymore.
The following is taken from a book from 1980 (by a scholar in the Classics):
You *know* that the minute PIE-ists hear of this - and especially those of them working on turning China into a sink receiving PIE-goodness - they would write a thesis on how this is actually PIE onlee.
And I should mention that it turns out they did.
In a 2012 journal article in some Dutch journal publication, I found that Victor Mair - one of the famous persons appointed to do the aforementioned task (of declaring that China was a receiving sink for C Asian PIE learning - since of course Chinese are not part of the PIE clique, which means the evil beady green-eyed jealous PIE monster can't be far behind when a significant civilisation exists anywhere out of the IE area)
again: Victor Mair declared that <insert C Asian IE influence, Iranian is it?> did it. And "therefore" all these things existed in ancient China.
[If anyone doesn't know who Victor Mair is, they need to find out - else only cognitive dissonance will result - IF may still have links to stuff on him. The creep's like an ueber-PIE-ist, i.e. a white supremacist hiding behind a thin veneer of playing scholar. Ugh. Yuck.]
They're working over time to claim Chinese religion, BTW. Because you know - and they certainly know - heathenism (religion) is the well-spring of civilisation. (They were always after claiming Chinese religion when they started work on that whole "let's find IE influences in China".)
The entire compendium of journal articles - to which Mair contributed his bit on China - was to this end: something about influences in religions of Europe and Asia.
Of course, Mair (who naturally took on China as the area to be next worked on for appropriation into PIE-ism) conveniently only knows of one-way influence: from IE to China. He declared that since "pastoral culture"* has been seen in China, that this obviously "must have" fundamentally influenced ancient China's value system (=code for religio, but that was already obvious in the very title of the compendium and the rest of the article.)
[* Which is IE only, of course]
IIRC Mair - politely, of course: it's easy to be polite when you're thieving from others in open daylight - IIRC Mair went on and on about the unidirectional travel of culture and religio into China from IE. Amazing: Not a single important thing in native Chinese religion (Taoism) is to be Chinese. [Clearly it bothers NW European aliens no end, nah, that the NW Gods seem to have permanently abandoned them, and that they therefore aren't heathens and incapable of heathenism, just wannabes? (Goes without saying that the permanent exception is the NW heathens, none of whom - it turns out - ever seems to mention IE.) Meanwhile the Daoists still see their Gods.]
The immediately following article was specifically for critiquing Mair's article. In particular, it critiqued his blanket declaration that "pastoral [=IE] culture seen in China <-> obviously 'must have' fundamentally influenced Chinese value system [religio]" actually lacked any evidence for this declaration (this happens so often, why only complain now? And since when did lack of evidence stop PIE-ists? Tomorrow every PIE-ist fanboy will refer to Mair's declaration from omniscience/ohne evidence to declare that all of Chinese civiliation - minus the population - are the jewel in IE's crown onlee). IIRC, the critical paper also mentioned something else: that famous phenomenon that swings one way, then the other every other decade*:
Victor Mair wrote a translation on a Taoist work and essentially declared it was influenced by the outside (IE), since the ideas in this Taoist work was "clearly" "all new" to the Chinese psyche (uh?). The title of course indicated who these outsiders were and what this outside influence was: the title mentioned Taoism and Yoga.**
[* I note it has always swung in India's favour only whenever Vedicists or PIEists are at the writing end, and against India when new age dabblers in Daoism else ur-Shramanism are making the claims. "Oddly enough", I've never seen native traditional Hindus or Daoists make the claim themselves. Hmmmm.
Note: aliens always use Hindus' Yoga to claim Daoist practices for themselves/for IE, so you can stop feeling complimented.]
** Now, before ur-Shramanists get all excited, the particular Taoist work in question pre-dates Buddhism and is at latest contemporaneous with Jainism's beginnings in India (so not time enough for Jainism to have influenced anybody that scooted out to China to "teach" the native un-IE Chinese).
Besides, Victor Mair is a hard core supremacist PIE-ist type: they don't like the shramanisms (and never did: they'r racists, right, and their position on buddhism etc is the same as that of the racist oryanists from the 19th century. Buddhism/shramanism is regarded a heresy of IE-ism, of the white man's superior pre-christian "pagan" religion - as he has now [mis]reconstructed it. And not because of the Vedic Hindu reasons for regarding shramanism as pashandas.) Hardcore PIE-ists types care only about Vedic religion (as the white man's ur-religion).
And no alien Vedicist (as Hindus really ought to know) would *ever* credit ur-Shramanism with Yoga: every PIE-ist and dabbler of this type always insists Yoga is Vedic only*** and points all the way to the Rg Vedam (which is the bible of most PIE-ists and all Vedicists).
*** While Yoga is indeed Vedic, the reason the aliens claim yoga is for reasons of superiority - facts are seen as subservient to this end, and counter-facts are seen as meant to be circumvented (which is when you see cases of them not bothering to give evidence for humongous claims).
Chinese/Daoists are in such trouble. [Interesting how aliens are always busy starting publications and writing journal articles about Asians - stealing Asian stuff behind Asians' backs - with most Asians never knowing about it. Then one day the aliens appear and declare "This is how things are. You must accept it. Refer to our journal articles. If you refuse to accept, we'll just have to declare you're irrational and continue discussing you and your culture behind your backs and amongst ourselves." <= You know, like they did with Hindus.]
And so another heathenism is staring down the barrel of the PIE elephant gun, about to be destroyed - give or take a few decades. And when Daoism falls, Shinto and Korean religion could too (since they're closely related).
Score for christianism. But then PIE-ism = a neo-paganism = a christian diversion.
Then again, the Chinese are far more clever than aliens - I don't know about IQs or whatever, I speak from practical experience - maybe this will be one encroachment project that won't turn out quite the way the alien terrorists projected.
One can already envision alien terrorists showing their true colours hereafter when Taoists tell them to stop dabbling, and declare that "By (P)IE-ism, Daoism and Daoist practices and Daoist Gods are 'actually' 'originally' aliens' own ancestral religion/practices and 'therefore' they have automatic access". Then they will just waltz ahead and *take* Taoist texts and infiltrate Taoists circles (pretending to be sincere, as aliens always do) to learn to Dabble in Daoism.
You know, the way they've done with the Vedam. Just like the "Pure Vedism/Vedic reconstructionism" Euro movements. (Not many IE-ists practice "reconstructed" PIE religion or speak "reconstructed" PIE, or worship "reconstructed" PIE Gods with "reconstructed" PIE rituals after all. By far most IE-ists dabble only in Hindus' religion). And it will take but one traitor among the Daoists to sell Daoist rites to the aliens so that the latter may dabble in this. (It always takes only 1 traitor, but India has produced a great many traitors selling the Vedam to their temporarily adulating alien fans.)
I blame "Hindu" traitors for whatever happens in future to Daoism etc at the hands of PIE-ism (or that other christian spawn, comparative mythology). They enabled alien dabbling and gave aliens a taste for dabbling outside of the Euro-sphere.
And Indians *would* not kill this beast [PIE-ism] when it was still in its infancy (and let's face it, Sanskrit and the Vedas are what gave rise to PIE-ism. PIE-ism = the product of alien meets Vedic religion*). Now it's moved past destroying your kind - and past instilling gangrene among Indians - onto populations that *don't* deserve this crap. There should be some retribution.
[* Skt and the Vedas - religio! - are still at the heart of what PIE-ism is after. Has Deutsche Welle (German broadcasting corp.) dumped its "Sanskrit" channel yet? (I notice they even have all-English channels now - where's the self-respect? and what's wrong with German?) But don't see them or anyone else having a PIE channel.
BTW: Deutsche Welle's Skt channel is not a sign of their respect for Hindus or India - which tends to be how gullible Indians like to interpret these things. DW has a Skt channel because they think Skt belongs to them. (Duh.)]
Never mind. Nothing works for the aliens. Which perhaps is the final proof of all of how none of this is remotely theirs.
My gawd what a disease christianism is. It's like a black hole.
The following is taken from a book from 1980 (by a scholar in the Classics):
Quote:Homeros' Odyssey V - 125: "So it was when Demeter of the braided tresses followed her heart and lay in love with Iasion in the triple-furrowed field;1"(Typical of Classics: they give just the data, no speculation. And look how they see no need to encroach.)
[color="#800080"][And the footnote:][/color]
1. The cutting of three furrows was part of the fertility rites inaugurating the agricultural year. Such ritual ploughing was wide-spread. In the Chinese Book of Rites the Emperor himself cuts three furrows, the Three Dukes cut five, and the Ministers and Lords cut nine.
You *know* that the minute PIE-ists hear of this - and especially those of them working on turning China into a sink receiving PIE-goodness - they would write a thesis on how this is actually PIE onlee.
And I should mention that it turns out they did.
In a 2012 journal article in some Dutch journal publication, I found that Victor Mair - one of the famous persons appointed to do the aforementioned task (of declaring that China was a receiving sink for C Asian PIE learning - since of course Chinese are not part of the PIE clique, which means the evil beady green-eyed jealous PIE monster can't be far behind when a significant civilisation exists anywhere out of the IE area)
again: Victor Mair declared that <insert C Asian IE influence, Iranian is it?> did it. And "therefore" all these things existed in ancient China.
[If anyone doesn't know who Victor Mair is, they need to find out - else only cognitive dissonance will result - IF may still have links to stuff on him. The creep's like an ueber-PIE-ist, i.e. a white supremacist hiding behind a thin veneer of playing scholar. Ugh. Yuck.]
They're working over time to claim Chinese religion, BTW. Because you know - and they certainly know - heathenism (religion) is the well-spring of civilisation. (They were always after claiming Chinese religion when they started work on that whole "let's find IE influences in China".)
The entire compendium of journal articles - to which Mair contributed his bit on China - was to this end: something about influences in religions of Europe and Asia.
Of course, Mair (who naturally took on China as the area to be next worked on for appropriation into PIE-ism) conveniently only knows of one-way influence: from IE to China. He declared that since "pastoral culture"* has been seen in China, that this obviously "must have" fundamentally influenced ancient China's value system (=code for religio, but that was already obvious in the very title of the compendium and the rest of the article.)
[* Which is IE only, of course]
IIRC Mair - politely, of course: it's easy to be polite when you're thieving from others in open daylight - IIRC Mair went on and on about the unidirectional travel of culture and religio into China from IE. Amazing: Not a single important thing in native Chinese religion (Taoism) is to be Chinese. [Clearly it bothers NW European aliens no end, nah, that the NW Gods seem to have permanently abandoned them, and that they therefore aren't heathens and incapable of heathenism, just wannabes? (Goes without saying that the permanent exception is the NW heathens, none of whom - it turns out - ever seems to mention IE.) Meanwhile the Daoists still see their Gods.]
The immediately following article was specifically for critiquing Mair's article. In particular, it critiqued his blanket declaration that "pastoral [=IE] culture seen in China <-> obviously 'must have' fundamentally influenced Chinese value system [religio]" actually lacked any evidence for this declaration (this happens so often, why only complain now? And since when did lack of evidence stop PIE-ists? Tomorrow every PIE-ist fanboy will refer to Mair's declaration from omniscience/ohne evidence to declare that all of Chinese civiliation - minus the population - are the jewel in IE's crown onlee). IIRC, the critical paper also mentioned something else: that famous phenomenon that swings one way, then the other every other decade*:
Victor Mair wrote a translation on a Taoist work and essentially declared it was influenced by the outside (IE), since the ideas in this Taoist work was "clearly" "all new" to the Chinese psyche (uh?). The title of course indicated who these outsiders were and what this outside influence was: the title mentioned Taoism and Yoga.**
[* I note it has always swung in India's favour only whenever Vedicists or PIEists are at the writing end, and against India when new age dabblers in Daoism else ur-Shramanism are making the claims. "Oddly enough", I've never seen native traditional Hindus or Daoists make the claim themselves. Hmmmm.
Note: aliens always use Hindus' Yoga to claim Daoist practices for themselves/for IE, so you can stop feeling complimented.]
** Now, before ur-Shramanists get all excited, the particular Taoist work in question pre-dates Buddhism and is at latest contemporaneous with Jainism's beginnings in India (so not time enough for Jainism to have influenced anybody that scooted out to China to "teach" the native un-IE Chinese).
Besides, Victor Mair is a hard core supremacist PIE-ist type: they don't like the shramanisms (and never did: they'r racists, right, and their position on buddhism etc is the same as that of the racist oryanists from the 19th century. Buddhism/shramanism is regarded a heresy of IE-ism, of the white man's superior pre-christian "pagan" religion - as he has now [mis]reconstructed it. And not because of the Vedic Hindu reasons for regarding shramanism as pashandas.) Hardcore PIE-ists types care only about Vedic religion (as the white man's ur-religion).
And no alien Vedicist (as Hindus really ought to know) would *ever* credit ur-Shramanism with Yoga: every PIE-ist and dabbler of this type always insists Yoga is Vedic only*** and points all the way to the Rg Vedam (which is the bible of most PIE-ists and all Vedicists).
*** While Yoga is indeed Vedic, the reason the aliens claim yoga is for reasons of superiority - facts are seen as subservient to this end, and counter-facts are seen as meant to be circumvented (which is when you see cases of them not bothering to give evidence for humongous claims).
Chinese/Daoists are in such trouble. [Interesting how aliens are always busy starting publications and writing journal articles about Asians - stealing Asian stuff behind Asians' backs - with most Asians never knowing about it. Then one day the aliens appear and declare "This is how things are. You must accept it. Refer to our journal articles. If you refuse to accept, we'll just have to declare you're irrational and continue discussing you and your culture behind your backs and amongst ourselves." <= You know, like they did with Hindus.]
And so another heathenism is staring down the barrel of the PIE elephant gun, about to be destroyed - give or take a few decades. And when Daoism falls, Shinto and Korean religion could too (since they're closely related).
Score for christianism. But then PIE-ism = a neo-paganism = a christian diversion.
Then again, the Chinese are far more clever than aliens - I don't know about IQs or whatever, I speak from practical experience - maybe this will be one encroachment project that won't turn out quite the way the alien terrorists projected.
One can already envision alien terrorists showing their true colours hereafter when Taoists tell them to stop dabbling, and declare that "By (P)IE-ism, Daoism and Daoist practices and Daoist Gods are 'actually' 'originally' aliens' own ancestral religion/practices and 'therefore' they have automatic access". Then they will just waltz ahead and *take* Taoist texts and infiltrate Taoists circles (pretending to be sincere, as aliens always do) to learn to Dabble in Daoism.
You know, the way they've done with the Vedam. Just like the "Pure Vedism/Vedic reconstructionism" Euro movements. (Not many IE-ists practice "reconstructed" PIE religion or speak "reconstructed" PIE, or worship "reconstructed" PIE Gods with "reconstructed" PIE rituals after all. By far most IE-ists dabble only in Hindus' religion). And it will take but one traitor among the Daoists to sell Daoist rites to the aliens so that the latter may dabble in this. (It always takes only 1 traitor, but India has produced a great many traitors selling the Vedam to their temporarily adulating alien fans.)
I blame "Hindu" traitors for whatever happens in future to Daoism etc at the hands of PIE-ism (or that other christian spawn, comparative mythology). They enabled alien dabbling and gave aliens a taste for dabbling outside of the Euro-sphere.
And Indians *would* not kill this beast [PIE-ism] when it was still in its infancy (and let's face it, Sanskrit and the Vedas are what gave rise to PIE-ism. PIE-ism = the product of alien meets Vedic religion*). Now it's moved past destroying your kind - and past instilling gangrene among Indians - onto populations that *don't* deserve this crap. There should be some retribution.
[* Skt and the Vedas - religio! - are still at the heart of what PIE-ism is after. Has Deutsche Welle (German broadcasting corp.) dumped its "Sanskrit" channel yet? (I notice they even have all-English channels now - where's the self-respect? and what's wrong with German?) But don't see them or anyone else having a PIE channel.
BTW: Deutsche Welle's Skt channel is not a sign of their respect for Hindus or India - which tends to be how gullible Indians like to interpret these things. DW has a Skt channel because they think Skt belongs to them. (Duh.)]
Never mind. Nothing works for the aliens. Which perhaps is the final proof of all of how none of this is remotely theirs.
My gawd what a disease christianism is. It's like a black hole.
Death to traitors.