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[color="#0000FF"]I think the title of the Christian Science Monitor (CSM) article is highly revealing[/color], more so than Arvind Kumar describes above, considering the facts that
- the case was 4 years old already
- the christo-side chose to back down at this point and deliberately self-censor now, which, as the christos admit, is during an election year.
- the fact that every US mouthpiece is trying to generate mass-christowestern hysteria that Hindus are against free speech and "banned the book"
[color="#0000FF"]shows pre-meditation at US government levels in trying to manufacture consent (via their US media mouthpieces) amongst international audiences against BJP in India during the upcoming elections.[/color]
So what else is new? Anyone who thought this was a victory of Hindus is obviously mistaken. The court case could have dragged on forever or been crushed in Doniger/Penguin's favour - as usually happens - except that Higher Ups in the US government decided that the most effective course of action against Hindus and a nationalist Indian government would be to project Penguin and Doniger as being persecuted by "Hindu nationalists" and "foreshadow" this as the "state of things to come" in the "evil, regressive nationalist India that shall be under a Modi/BJP govt".
Score 1 again for pre-meditated US christo-terrorism. Why do Indians think they won the court case? Suddenly? After 4 long years, just at this juncture in - as the CSM article admits - an "election year"?
Although this next is a victory, IMO. From the Slate article that's also mentioned above:
slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/02/14/wendy_doniger_s_the_hindus_banned_in_india_the_latest_attack_on_freedom.html
It is indeed a 'silver lining'. Indeed, Hindoo-dom may have struck Gold without knowing it (though some work needs to be done by Hindoos to secure the gold). Aliens are lapping the book and its crap up. This is all they will know of "Hinduism", it will completely influence these aliens' views now and hereafter on Hindu religion and how to approach Hindu texts themselves. This could be a heaven-sent safeguard against alien dabbling in Hindu religion ("converted Hindus" and other nonsense).
After all, the worst thing IMO is for aliens to ever know what the Hindu texts/religion are really saying, what they are really about, how to correctly read them and how to correctly perceive the Hindu Gods (not that any aliens could 'get' Hindoo religion anyway: it's not their ancestral religion and never shall be. And most aliens don't even 'get' their ancestral heathenism, So.) And any dabbling in Hinduism by Doniger-fans will be even more fruitless, if such were even possible. Note: there are many cases of "converts" to Hinduism - the debiles call themselves "neopagans" of course - that think Doniger [and similars'] views on Hindoo-ism are actually accurate (=more proof that 'neopagans'/converts are not heathens), an example documented earlier is here.
- Doniger trash on Hinduism is all that any aliens are fit for. This ought to become #1 in Amazon and every alien bookstore. Aliens will finally avoid Hinduism like the plague: Doniger's book apparently imputes incest and rape in every sacred Hindu text, and aliens are so stupid they will believe it and so will avoid Hinduism. :victory:
- Meanwhile Ethnic Hindu heathens living overseas would never read any alien writing about Hindu religion (and any ethnic 'Hindu' that did, would deserve it).
[Ethnic Hindoos (and there is no other kind) would practice their actual religion, and read their own stuff with their ancestors' views, and teach the correct way to read/perceive their material to their ethnic Hindoo kids.]
I think all that Hindoos then need to do to secure a complete victory is to
1. write a book - and translate it into all native languages - that discusses the traditional=correct meaning of each instance of Hindoo-ism that Doniger has mangled (but do not refer to Doniger or how she presented the instance - no need)
2. Hindoo readers should recommend the native Hindoo book at every reviewing site as the version that ethnic Hindoo readers want to read. For instance, Hindoos can recommend the Hindoo book on even the Amazon page for Doniger's book. E.g.
Aliens being utterly debile *should* be debilitated even further by being exposed only to Doniger type drivel. That is all they are good for. That is all they deserve. Instead, modern Indians run after aliens - desperately seeking their approval - like fishing for food from a trash can. Yuck.
How different traditional heathens (like Daoists) are to aliens. How instant Daoists' understanding of our Gods. (And even without Hindoo help they are able to develop very accurate understandings of our Gods.) How insistent they are that only traditional views - i.e. of the traditional native Hindoos - represent the legitimate/valid views on Hindoo religion. They even prefer to extrapolate from their own views on their Daoist Gods/religion to "guess" at Hindoo views on Hindoo Gods/religion in those cases where no native Hindoo POV is available rather than accepting what they saw as suspiciously untraditional/alien statements of alleged "expertise" maligning Hindoo matters.
Strange how (even Angelsk-speaking) Daoists are more immune to psy-ops against Hindoo Gods/religion than some modern Indian Hindus are... Or perhaps it's not strange: I see it as more proof of traditional Daoists' pristine heathenism: they *recognise* what is true and untrue, and what are valid and legitimate sources of information and what 'sources' are (suspected to be or obviously) false/illegitimate. Maybe it is traditional Daoists' third eye of discerning perception. Who knows.
Quote:Reichstag Fire in the fight for free speechRest of the to-the-point article at link.
Posted by Arvind Kumar / February 19, 2014 / Posted in Commentary, Headline / 15 Comments
Hindus have now become the targets of the publishing industry which is responsible for a Reichstag Fire in the arena of free-speech rights. These Hindu-baiters have indulged in self-censorship of a book but are busy spreading the untruthful claim that the book was actually banned by Hindus. Just as Hitler blamed his political opponents for an act of arson in 1933, the anti-Hindu forces are now going after Hindus by blaming them in a similar fashion. Consider the following headlines that appeared in the American media.
Chicago Tribune: India bans ââ¬Ëvulgarââ¬â¢ book by University of Chicago scholar
Christian Science Monitor: Book ââ¬Ëbanningââ¬â¢ shows rising Hindu nationalism in Indiaââ¬â¢s election year
Slate.com: Wendy Donigerââ¬â¢s The Hindus banned in India
These dishonest claims about an alleged ban seem to be confined to the American press and do not seem to appear in the Arab, African or East Asian Press. To be fair, the Black and Hispanic press in the US too have not carried out any anti-Hindu propaganda until now. This is consistent with the experience of Blacks in the US in the 1960s which led Mohammad Ali to say, ââ¬ËNo Vietcong ever called me nigger.ââ¬â¢
The headline by Christian Science Monitor is interesting for another reason: it carefully suppresses the fact that the complaint against the book that was pulled by Penguin Books is nearly four years old and it makes the dishonest claim that the ââ¬Åbanââ¬Â took place because it is an election year.
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[color="#0000FF"]I think the title of the Christian Science Monitor (CSM) article is highly revealing[/color], more so than Arvind Kumar describes above, considering the facts that
- the case was 4 years old already
- the christo-side chose to back down at this point and deliberately self-censor now, which, as the christos admit, is during an election year.
- the fact that every US mouthpiece is trying to generate mass-christowestern hysteria that Hindus are against free speech and "banned the book"
[color="#0000FF"]shows pre-meditation at US government levels in trying to manufacture consent (via their US media mouthpieces) amongst international audiences against BJP in India during the upcoming elections.[/color]
So what else is new? Anyone who thought this was a victory of Hindus is obviously mistaken. The court case could have dragged on forever or been crushed in Doniger/Penguin's favour - as usually happens - except that Higher Ups in the US government decided that the most effective course of action against Hindus and a nationalist Indian government would be to project Penguin and Doniger as being persecuted by "Hindu nationalists" and "foreshadow" this as the "state of things to come" in the "evil, regressive nationalist India that shall be under a Modi/BJP govt".
Score 1 again for pre-meditated US christo-terrorism. Why do Indians think they won the court case? Suddenly? After 4 long years, just at this juncture in - as the CSM article admits - an "election year"?
Although this next is a victory, IMO. From the Slate article that's also mentioned above:
slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/02/14/wendy_doniger_s_the_hindus_banned_in_india_the_latest_attack_on_freedom.html
Quote:The one silver lining of all of this is that the group that filed the suit against Donigerââ¬â¢s book, Shiksha Bachao Andolan, or the ââ¬ÅSave Education Campaignââ¬Â has given her a huge sales boost. The Hindus, which is still available internationally, is currently the No. 11 bestselling book on Amazon, which is not too shabby for a four-year old religious history book by a University of Chicago divinity professor. The worst enemy of censorship is always curiosity.
It is indeed a 'silver lining'. Indeed, Hindoo-dom may have struck Gold without knowing it (though some work needs to be done by Hindoos to secure the gold). Aliens are lapping the book and its crap up. This is all they will know of "Hinduism", it will completely influence these aliens' views now and hereafter on Hindu religion and how to approach Hindu texts themselves. This could be a heaven-sent safeguard against alien dabbling in Hindu religion ("converted Hindus" and other nonsense).
After all, the worst thing IMO is for aliens to ever know what the Hindu texts/religion are really saying, what they are really about, how to correctly read them and how to correctly perceive the Hindu Gods (not that any aliens could 'get' Hindoo religion anyway: it's not their ancestral religion and never shall be. And most aliens don't even 'get' their ancestral heathenism, So.) And any dabbling in Hinduism by Doniger-fans will be even more fruitless, if such were even possible. Note: there are many cases of "converts" to Hinduism - the debiles call themselves "neopagans" of course - that think Doniger [and similars'] views on Hindoo-ism are actually accurate (=more proof that 'neopagans'/converts are not heathens), an example documented earlier is here.
- Doniger trash on Hinduism is all that any aliens are fit for. This ought to become #1 in Amazon and every alien bookstore. Aliens will finally avoid Hinduism like the plague: Doniger's book apparently imputes incest and rape in every sacred Hindu text, and aliens are so stupid they will believe it and so will avoid Hinduism. :victory:
- Meanwhile Ethnic Hindu heathens living overseas would never read any alien writing about Hindu religion (and any ethnic 'Hindu' that did, would deserve it).
[Ethnic Hindoos (and there is no other kind) would practice their actual religion, and read their own stuff with their ancestors' views, and teach the correct way to read/perceive their material to their ethnic Hindoo kids.]
I think all that Hindoos then need to do to secure a complete victory is to
1. write a book - and translate it into all native languages - that discusses the traditional=correct meaning of each instance of Hindoo-ism that Doniger has mangled (but do not refer to Doniger or how she presented the instance - no need)
2. Hindoo readers should recommend the native Hindoo book at every reviewing site as the version that ethnic Hindoo readers want to read. For instance, Hindoos can recommend the Hindoo book on even the Amazon page for Doniger's book. E.g.
Quote:The traditional Hindoo way to peruse/read each instance in Doniger's book can be found in Book X by native Hindoo Y, also on Amazon/or available at Z. As in all heathenisms, the traditional Hindoo readings are the only legitimate and correct readings: nothing else works after all, and *heathenisms* are all about things *working*.
Note, the recommended book is ONLY FOR ETHNIC Hindoos. Not for foreigners. Aliens should by all means read Doniger etc and - though it is actually nonsense, it is all that is suited to aliens. Therefore aliens should believe her "version"/spin, since traditional Hindoos specifically never wanted alien "converts" and consequently far prefer that aliens should be led away - even by delusions, if that's what it takes - from Hindu religion: from aliens' unwelcome advances toward/dabbling in/threats to "convert" to ethnic Hindoos' ancestral religion. Anything, rather than the ongoing alien assault of dabbling in Hindoo religion. Like the L/D/Nakota 'Declaration of War', even today traditional Hindoos - not the same as religion salesmen aka charlatans - specifically don't *want* foreign converts either, because absolutely Nothing good ever came from alien dabbling/"converts". Aliens including 'converts' have been a constant curse on Hindus and Hinduism, same as they have been on native Americans and their religions.
And after all, western people have their own ancestral religions. All those who are truly Heathen among western people would first of all never dabble in Hindoo religion, but would be following their own ancestral religions. And such heathens would never be reading Doniger-type nonsense in the first place, being already familiar with how early christians wrote psy-ops and propaganda against the ancestral European heathen religions, and would therefore *already* know that only native Hindoo sources on Hindu texts could ever represent the legitimate views on Hindu texts.
In summary,
- Native Hindoos are highly recommended to read Book X by Y, to know the authentic Hindoo traditional (=native heathen and consequently the only legitimate) readings on all the stuff Doniger mangles/subverts in her own book.
- While the advice to aliens is that Doniger is THE ONLY TYPE OF BOOKS on "Hinduism" that traditional Hindus want you to read. Not because we think it is true in any way, but because we know it to be debile nonsense: because we don't want you to (pretend to) "understand" actual Hinduism, and to then pretend to "appreciate" actual Hinduism and then invite yourselves to "convert" and otherwise dabble aka terrorise our ancestral religion.
(The way many western people pretend to "appreciate" Asia and then go all disgustingly 'Asiaphile' on all things and persons Asian.)
Like Hawkeye, the adopted son of Chingachgook, said to the British woman in The Last of the Mohicans:
Quote:"My father ... Chingachgook, he warned me about people like you. ... He said 'Do not try to understand them'. ... and, 'do not try to make them understand you. That is because they are a breed apart and make no sense'.Nothing else about the context is applicable. Just those lines. To make the point that heathens are one breed, and aliens (=subverted people, non-heathens) are another. We don't want your "understanding", we want you to Just Leave Us Alone.
Aliens being utterly debile *should* be debilitated even further by being exposed only to Doniger type drivel. That is all they are good for. That is all they deserve. Instead, modern Indians run after aliens - desperately seeking their approval - like fishing for food from a trash can. Yuck.
How different traditional heathens (like Daoists) are to aliens. How instant Daoists' understanding of our Gods. (And even without Hindoo help they are able to develop very accurate understandings of our Gods.) How insistent they are that only traditional views - i.e. of the traditional native Hindoos - represent the legitimate/valid views on Hindoo religion. They even prefer to extrapolate from their own views on their Daoist Gods/religion to "guess" at Hindoo views on Hindoo Gods/religion in those cases where no native Hindoo POV is available rather than accepting what they saw as suspiciously untraditional/alien statements of alleged "expertise" maligning Hindoo matters.
Strange how (even Angelsk-speaking) Daoists are more immune to psy-ops against Hindoo Gods/religion than some modern Indian Hindus are... Or perhaps it's not strange: I see it as more proof of traditional Daoists' pristine heathenism: they *recognise* what is true and untrue, and what are valid and legitimate sources of information and what 'sources' are (suspected to be or obviously) false/illegitimate. Maybe it is traditional Daoists' third eye of discerning perception. Who knows.