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Related to #220
Found a couple of comments concerning Doniger at
rajeev2004.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/fwd-freedom-of-expression-does-not-mean.html
The first is a very good suggestion.
[color="#0000FF"]But there is a constant, disturbing naivete betrayed by Indians concerning these matters.
- Note how the Doniger/Penguin chose to pull their own book only in order to make it popular at last (Slate said it's #11 on Amazon).
- Compare with how the british film "Slumdog Millionaire" - a fiction of hatred set against a real background (the geography of India) - was awarded one or more oscars. Had the same film with the exact same fictional plot been set in a fictional country, it would have been recognised as junk unworthy of mention. But it's a political film, a film for social engineering or rather for Manufacturing Consent (same as Doniger's book) and the only way to get that crap to be watched by international audiences was to throw some oscars at it.
In similar fashion, the Penguin/Doniger ploy to pull her book was obviously a pre-meditated ploy - they had 4 years of the court case during which they could have pulled it, they chose this moment (election time) deliberately in order to feign "persecution by Hindu nationalists" and screech that they got banned/their life could be threatened (more libel, puhlease, which Hindus in India even read Doniger, unless it is specifically to write a rebuttal that refutes the lies point by point) - orchestrating the whole persecution drama just to create controversy/sensationalism to make the book sell and get read by the dimwitted American audiences, in order to Manufacture Consent against Hindus again.[/color]
I wonder why otherwise intelligent, concerned Indians writing and commenting about matters of national importance (or of importance to Hindus) seem to have a blind spot for deliberate US policy that exists at that country's highest levels against Hindus and a Hindu India.
Is it because many of these concerned Indians live in the US and therefore don't *want* to know that this is what their tax money funds and would rather assume that NYT articles that blatantly lie that "Doniger book banned: Freedom of Speech threatened by Hindu nationalism in India" 'must' have been written by Indian sepoys? I recall that NYT and other US articles lying in similar fashion about Serbians/Serbian govt/Yugoslavia during the Balkan Wars and thereafter were *not* written by Indian sepoys and usually (always?) not even by Serbian ones. So why pretend that European-Americans do not write these articles? Often they do. In fact, most of them *are* written by Euro-origin Americans, and only a small percentage are penned by Indian-origin hirelings.
I recall that Rajeev2004's regular San got all angry at Preet Bharara when the latter was appointed to go after repeat-offender/christoterrorist Dinace De Souza for some criminal activity. Before that Bharara had been appointed by his betters/his Euro-American masters to be the Brown Hand that was seen to deal with Devyani, so that it wouldn't be seen as racism by other Euro-Americans. San actually was more angry at Bharara than at Dinace De Souza.
Yet while Bharara is obviously a sepoy who will do anything for social mobility in western circles, even the dirty jobs that his masters set him to do (like Samuel's role in Django Unchained where he played an African slave who willingly tormented other enslaved Africans for his KKK masters - no I haven't watched the movie, but I know the plot) - while Bharara is just a mercenary turncoat, De Souza is a virulent christoterrorist (wrote "Two cheers for colonialism" etc). So as far the enemy hierarchy goes, De Souza is still at the top, not Bharara.
Bharara's situation is expected: Americans will only let Bharara types handle Indian (and perhaps other 'ethnic' or 'immigrant') cases, that is what they are hired for. The Bhararas are not taken seriously by their masters and won't be given cases of greater or actual importance. The ceiling is not made of glass in Bharara's case and he surely must know it.
My question is why are Indian NRIs who are settled in the US blind to US guilt in all of this and prefer to presume US innocence? Curioser still, they don't (seem to) pretend to themselves that the US is innocent, they appear to actually believe this, and are willing to present the institutional-level Amerikkkan onslaughts against India/Hindus as "individual, unrelated cases, and certainly not pre-meditated by the US-government". Oh wake up. Even Preet Bharara is likely to know on which side his bread is actually buttered - but *he's* fine with being flung whatever leftovers they're willing to toss his way and he doesn't care about India or Hindus anyway, just himself, he's only brown on the outside.
It's the "nationalist NRIs" I don't understand. I suppose the realisation that the US thinktanks are behind practically all such incidents - from Doniger's pretended persecution drama to awarding oscars to a worthless torture-porn movie like Slumdog - would make people feel uncomfortable and start wondering about any complicity in their presence in the US while it hacks their homeland and its native heathen inhabitants to a bloody death. So is that the real source of/reason for the Angelsk-speaking Hindu NRI internet commotion then: the need to feel like they are doing something for India in order to balance off an intangible sense of being complicit at some level?
I do wonder sometimes. How Indians can even stomach living in that place. Perhaps a huge percentage of Indians are Preet Bhararas to some degree? Some just move to the US and help the US (including in undermining heathen India) and ultimately they become apologists for it - eating US salt and all - while others integrate more fully and have no illusions about it.
AmeriKKKa changes the heathens who ever set foot there. All western countries do to some extent - and the effects are permanent - but AmeriKKKa's effects on heathens (whether these threaten to move back or no) are always off the charts.
Related to #220
Found a couple of comments concerning Doniger at
rajeev2004.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/fwd-freedom-of-expression-does-not-mean.html
Quote:[color="#0000FF"]Rajiv Chandran said...
In future instead of agreeing to publishers withdrawing books - litigants should insist that they publish the errata as well as rejoinders (e.g. like the one Vishal Agrawal has written on 'The Hindus') on their own cost - or else let the entire legal process complete with attendant criminal convictions. Allowing Penguin to withdraw the book has allowed them and Wendy to play victim and boost sales elsewhere - which was somewhat avoidable.[/color]
2/23/2014 11:29 PM
souixsie said...
Thank you, Ms. Arora. Why don't the grand poohbahs of secularism get worked up over the Western ban on holocaust deniers or the forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Freedom of speech does get regulated in the sanctified West. There are pressures brought to keep Korans from being desecrated in the US, and many stalwarts of press freedom balked at publishing the Danish cartoons. Few Hindus, on the other hand, would wish to have this loathsome book by Doniger banned. They would be happy if other academics took her sloppy and infantile analysis to task; but instead there was a closing of the ranks to keep the Hindu "fundamentalists" at bay. No such concerns for freedom of expression when texts that attack Jewish or Muslim traditions get proscribed, is there?
2/24/2014 3:50 PM
The first is a very good suggestion.
[color="#0000FF"]But there is a constant, disturbing naivete betrayed by Indians concerning these matters.
- Note how the Doniger/Penguin chose to pull their own book only in order to make it popular at last (Slate said it's #11 on Amazon).
- Compare with how the british film "Slumdog Millionaire" - a fiction of hatred set against a real background (the geography of India) - was awarded one or more oscars. Had the same film with the exact same fictional plot been set in a fictional country, it would have been recognised as junk unworthy of mention. But it's a political film, a film for social engineering or rather for Manufacturing Consent (same as Doniger's book) and the only way to get that crap to be watched by international audiences was to throw some oscars at it.
In similar fashion, the Penguin/Doniger ploy to pull her book was obviously a pre-meditated ploy - they had 4 years of the court case during which they could have pulled it, they chose this moment (election time) deliberately in order to feign "persecution by Hindu nationalists" and screech that they got banned/their life could be threatened (more libel, puhlease, which Hindus in India even read Doniger, unless it is specifically to write a rebuttal that refutes the lies point by point) - orchestrating the whole persecution drama just to create controversy/sensationalism to make the book sell and get read by the dimwitted American audiences, in order to Manufacture Consent against Hindus again.[/color]
I wonder why otherwise intelligent, concerned Indians writing and commenting about matters of national importance (or of importance to Hindus) seem to have a blind spot for deliberate US policy that exists at that country's highest levels against Hindus and a Hindu India.
Is it because many of these concerned Indians live in the US and therefore don't *want* to know that this is what their tax money funds and would rather assume that NYT articles that blatantly lie that "Doniger book banned: Freedom of Speech threatened by Hindu nationalism in India" 'must' have been written by Indian sepoys? I recall that NYT and other US articles lying in similar fashion about Serbians/Serbian govt/Yugoslavia during the Balkan Wars and thereafter were *not* written by Indian sepoys and usually (always?) not even by Serbian ones. So why pretend that European-Americans do not write these articles? Often they do. In fact, most of them *are* written by Euro-origin Americans, and only a small percentage are penned by Indian-origin hirelings.
I recall that Rajeev2004's regular San got all angry at Preet Bharara when the latter was appointed to go after repeat-offender/christoterrorist Dinace De Souza for some criminal activity. Before that Bharara had been appointed by his betters/his Euro-American masters to be the Brown Hand that was seen to deal with Devyani, so that it wouldn't be seen as racism by other Euro-Americans. San actually was more angry at Bharara than at Dinace De Souza.
Yet while Bharara is obviously a sepoy who will do anything for social mobility in western circles, even the dirty jobs that his masters set him to do (like Samuel's role in Django Unchained where he played an African slave who willingly tormented other enslaved Africans for his KKK masters - no I haven't watched the movie, but I know the plot) - while Bharara is just a mercenary turncoat, De Souza is a virulent christoterrorist (wrote "Two cheers for colonialism" etc). So as far the enemy hierarchy goes, De Souza is still at the top, not Bharara.
Bharara's situation is expected: Americans will only let Bharara types handle Indian (and perhaps other 'ethnic' or 'immigrant') cases, that is what they are hired for. The Bhararas are not taken seriously by their masters and won't be given cases of greater or actual importance. The ceiling is not made of glass in Bharara's case and he surely must know it.
My question is why are Indian NRIs who are settled in the US blind to US guilt in all of this and prefer to presume US innocence? Curioser still, they don't (seem to) pretend to themselves that the US is innocent, they appear to actually believe this, and are willing to present the institutional-level Amerikkkan onslaughts against India/Hindus as "individual, unrelated cases, and certainly not pre-meditated by the US-government". Oh wake up. Even Preet Bharara is likely to know on which side his bread is actually buttered - but *he's* fine with being flung whatever leftovers they're willing to toss his way and he doesn't care about India or Hindus anyway, just himself, he's only brown on the outside.
It's the "nationalist NRIs" I don't understand. I suppose the realisation that the US thinktanks are behind practically all such incidents - from Doniger's pretended persecution drama to awarding oscars to a worthless torture-porn movie like Slumdog - would make people feel uncomfortable and start wondering about any complicity in their presence in the US while it hacks their homeland and its native heathen inhabitants to a bloody death. So is that the real source of/reason for the Angelsk-speaking Hindu NRI internet commotion then: the need to feel like they are doing something for India in order to balance off an intangible sense of being complicit at some level?
I do wonder sometimes. How Indians can even stomach living in that place. Perhaps a huge percentage of Indians are Preet Bhararas to some degree? Some just move to the US and help the US (including in undermining heathen India) and ultimately they become apologists for it - eating US salt and all - while others integrate more fully and have no illusions about it.
AmeriKKKa changes the heathens who ever set foot there. All western countries do to some extent - and the effects are permanent - but AmeriKKKa's effects on heathens (whether these threaten to move back or no) are always off the charts.