Nexus Between Entities Influencing India

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rajeev2004.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/fwd-new-post-laffaire-doniger.html



I see Balagangaadhara's foreign "followers" have started to lecture to the Hindus (=always a sign*) about a. the workings of the "Hindu right" on "reactionary Hindus" (nice psychological crap, Jakob) and b. to accept the "beautiful eroticism" "that their ancestors accepted". There may be more subtle engineering going on in Jakob's article, but I only skimmed.



[* Any actual western sympathizers would be directing lectures at the christowestern aliens terrorising Hindus, not at Hindus. Hindus don't need aliens to teach us our religion or to tell us to grow a tougher skin when the christowest christoterrorises us. The only lectures Hindus need is about the details on the flaws in christianism: a blueprint of all the weaknesses and how to strike at the christianism/monotheism where it will hurt. But only western ex-christian hyper-heathens or the Hellenes of YSEE know christianism's weaknesses.]



As for the points a and b from 2 paragraphs up:



a. Hindus become disgruntled and reactionary owing to the misrepresentation by the miseducation project and therefore join the "Hindu right" or sympathise with it:



Jakob has a silly example that he appears to have fished out of thin air concerning a 'stereotype' that he invents then and there of a Hindu character disgruntled for decades at the massive miseducation project and how he is exposed to some pamphlet by the "Hindu right"/BJP and is therefore suddenly 'revolutionised' by it to 'join'. Obviously Jakob is just making up a fictional case study that is utterly devoid of how people vote or don't vote the BJP in India. Their sympathising with the BJP and RSS etc is sooner from the constant governmental level attacks and wealth-drain from Hindu temples etc, and the reducing of Hindus to minority status than owing to the christian miseducation project on Hindu religion. Only NRI Indians have the luxury - living in the 1st world - to take umbrage at the christo view of Hindu religion taught in their class rooms. Hindus back home have to deal with direct blows at their chance for survival and especially survival as Hindus: christian plots to prevent Hindus from visiting temples like Shabari etc, christian temple takeover plots like at Chidambaram and Tirupati, christoislamaniac terror attacks, christo-closure of Hindu temples, etc. Also traditional Hindoos in India can still easily teach their kids the right views on the Hindoo religion/Gods and have them initiate into religious practices, whereas NRIs seem to prefer that their children "learn" Hinduism from 'books', online sources or magazines like 'Hinduism Today'.



So the question concerning Jakob's fictional Hindu getting "revolutionised" (clearly Jakob bases it on the documented model of how islamics get talibanised, which indicates one of two things about Jakob: either he is naive or he is anything but) - the question is whether Jakob is serious in proposing it. Actually, maybe the answer to that is the same as "Is Doniger serious?"



I've never seen a pamphlet by the BJP or any "Hindu right". I've never even heard them make speeches. I don't know anyone from the RSS, VHP or BJP etc. And my "Hindu communalism" (or rather, my heathen communalism) - which is more extreme than that of many a Hindu - moreover existed before I read Sita Ram Goel etc. It derived from my reading the disgusting babble and koran (after friends - non-Indians - opened my eyes to the matter) and by going over the historical crimes of christoislamism against heathens and other unbelievers. In time, I learnt about Julian - the model for heathen activism - after which I understood what heathens ought to emulate/be aiming for, and why the "Hindu right" needs to do more and be more, if it wants to follow Julian's vision of re-heathenising his empire. Re-heathenising the nation is the sole means of survival for any heathenism, BTW.





b. Jakob's "beautiful eroticism" distraction. Oh please. Hindus have no problems with romance (incl. intimacy). However, Hindus *do* have a problem with aliens lying about their religion. (No, Hindus' ancestors would not have rolled over and accepted aliens insinuating sexual perversions involving Hindoo Gods.) Note the difference again: no problem with romance, but problem with LIES about Hindu religion. (By the way, the same is true with Daoist and Shinto objections against deliberate christo-terrorist misrepresentation of their sacred religion by aliens, but don't want to say more about this in public.)



Now, if an alien claims that "Hindu text or element Z is 'actually' about sex" (and an awkard 'eroticism' or even offensive profanity ala MF Hussein what's more) yet traditional Hindus state that Z is not about sex, then the alien LIED and that objection by Hindus is VALID. Such Hindu objection does not mean - as Jakob pretends that it does - that Hindus are stuck in mores introduced by Victorian christobrits and that Hindus are "consequently sexually repressed" and should become more "open-minded" and therefore just "accept that the sex was always there in Z" <- which is subtle psychological blackmail by Jakob De Roover to get Hindus to roll over to Doniger's perverseness.



Hindus are not the ones who are repressed or in need of instructions on how to mate - Hindus and other heathens are like any other animal species and mating is a natural part of their life cycle. It's neither a fad/obsession nor an aberration for heathens. (But note how sex was an aberration until recently in the christowest and now it's suddenly swung all the way to becoming a fad/full-time obsession among aliens <- as always happens only when people discover a new "hobby". The west underwent a very recent, sudden "sexual awakening" and now prances about like it's the expert and wanting to similarly "liberate" everyone. Oh go away. No one outside the monotheisms had any issues.)



It's the christo-conditioned *west* that has suddenly "discovered" the "validity of sex" - and only after contact with unconverted heathen populations such as in the east - and so has desperately latched onto Eastern religions as a 'source of information' for the west on how to not feel ashamed in following the natural drive to mate/reproduce (the west is seriously mentally scarred by christo-control on their natural human mating behaviour aka "sexuality". This is the root cause of all the sexual perversions seen in the christowest IMO, since the church has controlled and directed christowest's sexuality into perversions in the modern era: everything from christowestern society's paedophilia and bestiality - as seen in the infamous political "Dutch Paedophile Party" (=their real name) - to the perverse sexual obsessions of Doniger and her spawn.)



Anyway, in comparison, most Hindus and E/SE Asian heathens seem to be perfectly happy with their private romantic lives, so they don't need Jakob's lecturing. The christowest should really stop with their sick habit of sticking their noses in heathens' private lives. But I guess voyeurism is an old passtime of the christowest, with their sleazy hope to observe the mating habits of heathens and to then lecture and christoterrorise these - which reminds me again of the following case of the evil christians vs kidnapped native Americans:



web.archive.org/web/20050223081305/http://www.geocities.com/iconoclastes.geo/mission.html

Mission: Possible

If You are a Missionary, then Genocide is Your Profession

[...]

As one French visitor commented in the early nineteenth century, after inspecting life in the missions, the relationship between the priest and his flock "would ... be different only in name if a slaveholder kept them for labor and rented them out at will ..." But, we know now, he would have fed them better. [SH139]



The padres were also concerned about the continuing catastrophic decline in the number of babies born to their neophyte charges... here is a first-hand account of what happened at mission Santa Cruz when a holy and ascetic padre named Ramon Olbés came to the conclusion that one particular married couple was behaving with excessive sexual inhibition, thereby depriving him of another child to enslave and another soul to offer up to Christ:

He [Father Olbés] sent for the husband and he asked him why his wife hadn't borne children... they brought an interpreter. This [one] repeated the question of the father to the Indian, who answered that he should ask God. The father asked through the interpreter if he slept with his wife, to which the Indian said yes. Then the father had them placed in a room together so that they would perform coitus in his presence. The Indian refused, but they forced him to show them his penis in order to affirm that he had it in good order... Fr. Olbés asked her if her husband slept with her, and she answered that, yes... He had her enter another room in order to examine her reproductive parts.

[color="#800080"](How very Doniger of the padre.)[/color]



At this point the woman resisted the padre's attempted forced inspection; for that impertinence she received fifty lashes, was "shackled, and locked in the nunnery." He then gave her a wooden doll and ordered her to carry it with her, "like a recently born child," wherever she went. [SH141]

There was, of course, good reason for the Indians to fear the consequences of running away and being caught:

Some of the run-away men were tied on sticks and beaten with straps. One chief was taken out to the open field and a young calf which had just died was skinned and the chief was sewed into the skin while it was yet warm. He was kept tied to a stake all day, but he died soon and they kept his corpse tied up.

[SH142]

[color="#0000FF"][SH] D.E.Stannard, American Holocaust. Columbus and the Conquest of the New World, New York: Oxford University 1992.[/color]

(Christians are just evil. Because Jeebus - as the wise emperor Julian so rightly observed - is an Evil Lie.)





Anyway, a particular statement from Jakob concerning the Doniger Drama stuck out:



rajeev2004.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/fwd-new-post-laffaire-doniger.html

Consider the petition by Dinanath Batra and the Shiksha Bachao Andolan Samiti. Doniger's suggestion that the Ramayana is a work of fiction written by human authors—a claim that would hardly create a stir in most Indians—is now transformed into a violation of the sacred scriptures of Hinduism. The petition claims that the cover of the book is offensive because "Lord Krishna is shown sitting on buttocks of a naked woman surrounded by other naked women" and that Doniger's approach is that "of a woman hungry of sex." It expresses shock at her claim that some Sanskrit texts reflect the "glorious sexual openness and insight" of the era in which they were written. To anyone familiar with the harm caused by Christian attitudes towards sex-as-sin, this would count as a reason to be proud of Indian culture. Yet the grips of Victorian morality have made these Hindus ashamed of a beautiful dimension of their traditions.

The above links to the petition at

m.outlookindia.com/article.aspx/?289468



However, the following gives a fuller picture of the source of the objection:



indiafacts.co.in/wendy-donigers-fake-victimhood/

Among the charges listed in the complaint against Penguin Books were charges of plagiarism, false claims in the book, and that it was written with a Christian missionary zeal. For example, [color="#0000FF"]the complaint alleged that the book falsely claimed that the image on the jacket of the book was from a temple in Puri in Odisha even though that was not the case.[/color] If true, such false claims would at least violate consumer protection laws in India. Making false claims to sell a book, that too on the cover of the book, is an unethical practice.

Taking together both the petition's statement/objection and the above quoteblock's further explanation then, it seems to me that the full objection - of the Hindus who took Doniger's drivel to court - concerning the cover is specifically that 1. the cover is not authentic (and Doniger lied about that) and 2. therefore, if the cover has no authentic traditional Hindu source, then Hindus have every right to critique it for being unrepresentative of their religion and indeed offensive by involving their Gods in implied sexual situations.



This is completely consonant with how Only traditional Hindoo-made Hindoo imagery (i.e. made by ethnic Hindoos following the shaastras on how to depict the Gods) is considered a valid representation of Hindu Gods and Hindoo religion.

[color="#0000FF"]There are only 5 classes of valid and authentic Hindoo sacred imagery in Hindoo religion: 1. swayambhu, 2. those images of the Gods that were installed and worshipped by other Devas, 3. those installed and worshipped by R^iShis, 4. those installed and worshipped by Asuras and 5. those installed by ManuSha BUT ONLY if the human-made images were fashioned by ethnic traditional Hindoos AND fashioned traditionally: that is, in accordance with our shaastras concerning how those Gods are meant to be depicted.[/color] The rest does not depict our Gods. (This is why MFH's junk never represented Hindoo Gods in the first place and only reflected the minds and tastes of christoislamaniacs and their fans/apologists.)



Aliens may not create or commission images of the Hindoo Gods, pass this off as a "Hindu" view and expect *Hindus* to accept this as representing Hindu religion. That is, aliens can believe it all they want, but they can't expect *Hindus* to believe it or to stand by while Doniger tries to get this passed as "the truth as per Hindoos themselves" in the Hindoo homeland (India). In alien climes, aliens are particularly to be welcomed to believe this, however.



Also, Jakob's statement:

Doniger's suggestion that the Ramayana is a work of fiction written by human authors—a claim that would hardly create a stir in most Indians—is now transformed into a violation of the sacred scriptures of Hinduism.

It's true that Indians won't protest that aliens think Ramayanam is a work of fiction. But it is *not* a work of fiction to Hindus, and projecting that it is fiction to Hindus as an "alternative view of Hinduism" as Doniger has done IS a violation of Hindu religion. She can speak for what aliens believe about Ramayanam, not about what Hindus know about Rama and his narrative. Because Rama (I speak of Vishnu's avataaram Rama, btw) is not an fictional aka invisible God. Hindu religion has no fictional/non-existent and consequently invisible Gods.

[color="#0000FF"]Aliens have no clue why heathens are loyal to their Gods: there is only one reason.[/color] And that reason is the same for Hindus as for Daoists as for <insert other traditional heathens>. Hindus still see and interact with their Gods. That's why they *know* Ramayanam is not a "fiction". DUH. That's why Hindus state that lying about Ramayanam being "fiction" in the Hindu homeland is indeed a violation of Hindu religion. The reason heathens pass down their heathenism as tradition is because heathenisms like Hindus' religion, Daoism, Shinto etc are true and prove themselves.)



Again, Jakob should go and lecture aliens about Hindu-ism - rather like Doniger does - and not a Hindu audience. ("Thanks a lot Balagangaadhara" for letting Jakob De Roover and gawd knows who else loose on the Hindu audiences. First Elst - courtesy Goel, conveniently dead so he can't be held accountable - then... oh forget it, I've lost count of the number of alien infiltratis. Just chalk Jakob up as the latest one.)

If Indians love western people so much, why don't ya just make friends with them or marry them or form a rock band together or something, instead of foisting them on the rest of Hindoo-dom?







From this again:

[url=http://m.outlookindia.com/article.aspx/?289468



I notice that at the petition against Doniger's book, Doniger has claimed that Surya raped Kunti of which Karna was the product. Again, tomorrow Jakob will - in typically Elst fashion - expect Hindus to "accept" this too. (The way Elst - also a Belgian - asked Hindus to accept all kinds of things about Krishna and Rama and Vishnu etc. E.g. "Krishna is a womanizer as per the MBH itself" declared Elst all-knowingly, and no doubt his native parrots just domino-ed, as they always do). Perhaps Jakob will argue that Doniger's statement on Surya likewise implies some 'beautiful eroticism' in Hinduism - no? But it too remains a lie. (However, it is one that I encourage all aliens - in particular all aliens who are prone to dabble in Hindu religion or who have "converted" - to believe and stop dabbling. I *want* all aliens to believe it, so that this may be the means for aliens - dabblers, converts and other interested - to GET LOST from Hindu religion at last. It may even destroy some Oryanists' interest in the Vedas etc: the whole thing about white supremacists is that they pretend that they're so morally upright and consequently have better sexual mores than the non-white "untermenschen". If they read about how Hindu Gods allegedly assaulted characters left and right and about incest etc, then they will freak and will want nothing to do with the Vedas and MBh etc, and stop claiming it as belonging to "white" people somehow. :Score





8. The following link was already mentioned in a previous post:

rajeev2004.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/fwd-freedom-of-expression-does-not-mean.html

Sunday, February 23, 2014

Fwd: "Freedom of expression does not mean freedom of defamation" - Monika Arora, legal counsel for SBAC against Penguin India



Defamation is a subset of falsehood/lying. All lying is a problem. Especially the deliberate kind.

In a just society, I'd be in favour of a very qualified "freedom of speech": one where there's a ban on "freedom to lie".

- Note this qualification says nothing about so-called "hate-speech", which is just a phrase used to censor heathens stating uncomfortable facts about christoislamania. (Christoislamania worships a non-existent gawd that even christoislamics have never seen, plus it has an evil history and - as the German lawyers argued on behalf of German parents who wanted to get the babble banned from schools - the babble is full of evil stuff like genocide. It's not "hatespeech" to observe these objective facts: there are no subjective imputations being made, let alone 'psychoanalysis'/psychobabble on christianism to come to these obvious conclusions.)

- Rather, a ban on lying means that opinions and speculation may not get passed off as "fact", but should always be qualified with "this is mere opinion" or "this is mere speculation".



However, if caught on a deliberate lie, the person should be sued by the state accordingly or at least outed in public - by the government itself - as having lied on that point. This will naturally tar the reputation of especially repeat offenders and no one will listen to Doniger types again.



Again, the above actually dovetails on Julian's own ban on novels: he was against gospel-type literature that were fiction but used a historical setting to mislead the gullible. Because such literature didn't have disclaimers stating what was fiction in them (i.e. the whole jeebus character and his .... "adventures"), the world got misled. So emperor Julian was right in perceiving the great danger.



But we don't live in a just society.

Instead, "Freedom of Speech" specifically means a. "freedom to lie with impunity" for christoislamics and b. "the right to remain silent" for heathens, e.g. Hindus.

Therefore, I believe in "Freedom of Action" as being an as much inalienable right as "Freedom of Speech" (we already have "Freedom of Thought"): so Doniger types are free to lie, and then that makes me equally morally free to smack her on her mouth for lying (she has the right to try and dodge - though she's way too massive to be fast enough).



The real point is: lying is a crime too after all, and tit-for-tat is a natural law. So if lying goes unpunished, then so should the good old primary/high school law of beat 'em up/survival of the fittest. Doniger would so totally have got owned in the school yard even by kids.