About the blue bit in the following:
[quote name='Husky' date='26 February 2014 - 10:19 PM' timestamp='1393432887' post='117076']
10. This one just mentions Doniger in a comparison on how christoism gets away scott-free:
rajeev2004.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/the-economist-lexington-faith-and-reason.html
Uh, some western scientists ARE scientists (not alleged) and they're hardcore atheists. Sagan :love:, Attenborough :love:, etc. are atheists (not "religious" atheists, whatever that means) without being militant atheists.
Dawkins is a missionary atheist, but in his position I'd totally do the same: I mean, some one has to pull the plug on the creationism madness, and if it means actively speaking and writing about the idiocy of moronisms, then there's really no choice. Poor man, he could be getting on with exciting research, but the matter is so serious, he's sacrificing years of his life in the battle with idiot religion (aka the mono-moronisms), talking on the mind-numbing topic of invisible non-existent entities.
Evolution is not a "theory". It's a fact. 4004 BCE my foot. Our planet itself is IIRC about 5 billion years old. Our universe is some 13.7 billion years old, also demonstrable. And our universe is apparently just one of the multi universes in the metaverse that contains them.
[color="#0000FF"][* Bacteria type life forms can exist on many planets and are thought to possibly exist on the icy moon of Jupiter - the one that's ice on the surface but thought to be water underneath. The red/pink streaks are thought to be large bacterial colonies. Anyway, a planet with improved conditions for carbon-based life forms can result in complex life then. And then all you need really is time. Our planet has had so much time already, it's witnessed 5 mass extinctions of huge numbers of dominant species. "Intelligent" life of our kind also just requires time and good odds once complex life has formed.][/color]
Today, christianism is making it hard to teach evolutionary biology in schools. And it won't end there. Tomorrow they won't let cosmology as revealed by physics be taught either.
Christoislam is such a disease. Ban Ban Ban.
[/quote]
First off, the above should say moon of Saturn not Jupiter. Since there are SO many moons, and since I've never been to either Saturn OR Jupiter, I got them confused. (And also because Enceladus isn't the only moon subject to Orbital Resonance.)
And now the important news:
Cassini has apparently confirmed that Enceladus* does indeed contain an ocean of liquid water under its icy surface. (*Saturn's moon. The Cassini mission was sent to investigate Saturn and its moons including Titan. Caroline Porko (sp?) - who from interviews reminds me of the blueprint/the inspiration for the awesome Capt Kathryn Janeway; there's certainly some facial resemblance IMO - was on the team that did the preparations/planning for the Cassini mission, I believe. Still waiting to find out the results on her team's hypothesis of whether under Titan's atmosphere there's indeed oceans and glaciers and the like of methane etc. Titan - another moon of Saturn - is special because from what I seem to remember it has atmosphere: apparently Titan is large enough that it has sufficient gravity to retain its atmosphere, at least thus far. C.f. how Mars lost 2/3's of its atmosphere due to its lower mass and hence gravity than Earth, and so the relentless Solar Wind has just blown 2/3s away over time. IIRC, it's thought Titan may have been a planet at one stage, but that it fell into Saturn's gravity field and thus started orbiting Saturn.)
Anyway, back to Enceladus. From what I remember:
The reason for Enceladus having a body of liquid water (albeit under a surface of ice) - despite this moon of Saturn being so far away from the Sun, compared to Earth - is because of "Orbital Resonance" I think it's called: while Enceladus orbits Saturn, Saturn (perhaps in tandem with an aligned Titan and/or any larger floating debris of Saturn's myriad discs?*) exerts a sudden but regular increased gravitational tug on Enceladus during its orbit circle. *Or else owing to Enceladus' coming closer to Saturn at certain points of its orbit, or something.
These gravitational tugs/stresses on Enceladus' body naturally cause heavy internal friction inside the moon, as it literally bends out of shape, which friction creates such heat as is sufficient to melt the ice and keep it liquid under the surface even at such a distance as Enceladus is from the Sun. (IIRC, Orbital Resonance is also what seems to go on in the case of Io or was it Europa - forgot the specific moon of Jupiter that has constant volcanic eruptions - for said moon to indeed have active and in fact constant vulcanism.)
Further, Cox had already covered how, since (preferrably liquid) water is the primary necessity for Life (based on our understanding of the only life we're familiar with: that on our planet which is carbon-based life), Enceladus having been confirmed as containing liquid water proves that it is indeed the other place in our solar system that's most likely to have life, as was also hypothesised. Cox had summarised the existing theory popular among scientists that the streaks of pinkish colour on the icy surface of Enceladus may well point to bacteria. So: woohoo. Life. Beyond Earth. If they can confirm bacteria, no doubt they will next monitor for evolution taking place among the Enceladan (sp?) bacteria. It will give us an example of how evolution in a planet other than Earth proceeds (so far we've only had Earth as the sole example for the evolution of life, as pointed out by Cox and Sagan and Attenborough and others: from simple prokaryotic to eukaryotic to the complex life form explosion during the Cambrian era**. :or something
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Bij Donar, this is so exciting. I can't even think straight.
And NASA's apparently released pictures.
** My biology and physics - and indeed every subject - is rather shady, to say the least. Please look up your high school textbooks.
[quote name='Husky' date='26 February 2014 - 10:19 PM' timestamp='1393432887' post='117076']
10. This one just mentions Doniger in a comparison on how christoism gets away scott-free:
rajeev2004.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/the-economist-lexington-faith-and-reason.html
Uh, some western scientists ARE scientists (not alleged) and they're hardcore atheists. Sagan :love:, Attenborough :love:, etc. are atheists (not "religious" atheists, whatever that means) without being militant atheists.
Dawkins is a missionary atheist, but in his position I'd totally do the same: I mean, some one has to pull the plug on the creationism madness, and if it means actively speaking and writing about the idiocy of moronisms, then there's really no choice. Poor man, he could be getting on with exciting research, but the matter is so serious, he's sacrificing years of his life in the battle with idiot religion (aka the mono-moronisms), talking on the mind-numbing topic of invisible non-existent entities.
Evolution is not a "theory". It's a fact. 4004 BCE my foot. Our planet itself is IIRC about 5 billion years old. Our universe is some 13.7 billion years old, also demonstrable. And our universe is apparently just one of the multi universes in the metaverse that contains them.
[color="#0000FF"][* Bacteria type life forms can exist on many planets and are thought to possibly exist on the icy moon of Jupiter - the one that's ice on the surface but thought to be water underneath. The red/pink streaks are thought to be large bacterial colonies. Anyway, a planet with improved conditions for carbon-based life forms can result in complex life then. And then all you need really is time. Our planet has had so much time already, it's witnessed 5 mass extinctions of huge numbers of dominant species. "Intelligent" life of our kind also just requires time and good odds once complex life has formed.][/color]
Today, christianism is making it hard to teach evolutionary biology in schools. And it won't end there. Tomorrow they won't let cosmology as revealed by physics be taught either.
Christoislam is such a disease. Ban Ban Ban.
[/quote]
First off, the above should say moon of Saturn not Jupiter. Since there are SO many moons, and since I've never been to either Saturn OR Jupiter, I got them confused. (And also because Enceladus isn't the only moon subject to Orbital Resonance.)
And now the important news:
Cassini has apparently confirmed that Enceladus* does indeed contain an ocean of liquid water under its icy surface. (*Saturn's moon. The Cassini mission was sent to investigate Saturn and its moons including Titan. Caroline Porko (sp?) - who from interviews reminds me of the blueprint/the inspiration for the awesome Capt Kathryn Janeway; there's certainly some facial resemblance IMO - was on the team that did the preparations/planning for the Cassini mission, I believe. Still waiting to find out the results on her team's hypothesis of whether under Titan's atmosphere there's indeed oceans and glaciers and the like of methane etc. Titan - another moon of Saturn - is special because from what I seem to remember it has atmosphere: apparently Titan is large enough that it has sufficient gravity to retain its atmosphere, at least thus far. C.f. how Mars lost 2/3's of its atmosphere due to its lower mass and hence gravity than Earth, and so the relentless Solar Wind has just blown 2/3s away over time. IIRC, it's thought Titan may have been a planet at one stage, but that it fell into Saturn's gravity field and thus started orbiting Saturn.)
Anyway, back to Enceladus. From what I remember:
The reason for Enceladus having a body of liquid water (albeit under a surface of ice) - despite this moon of Saturn being so far away from the Sun, compared to Earth - is because of "Orbital Resonance" I think it's called: while Enceladus orbits Saturn, Saturn (perhaps in tandem with an aligned Titan and/or any larger floating debris of Saturn's myriad discs?*) exerts a sudden but regular increased gravitational tug on Enceladus during its orbit circle. *Or else owing to Enceladus' coming closer to Saturn at certain points of its orbit, or something.
These gravitational tugs/stresses on Enceladus' body naturally cause heavy internal friction inside the moon, as it literally bends out of shape, which friction creates such heat as is sufficient to melt the ice and keep it liquid under the surface even at such a distance as Enceladus is from the Sun. (IIRC, Orbital Resonance is also what seems to go on in the case of Io or was it Europa - forgot the specific moon of Jupiter that has constant volcanic eruptions - for said moon to indeed have active and in fact constant vulcanism.)
Further, Cox had already covered how, since (preferrably liquid) water is the primary necessity for Life (based on our understanding of the only life we're familiar with: that on our planet which is carbon-based life), Enceladus having been confirmed as containing liquid water proves that it is indeed the other place in our solar system that's most likely to have life, as was also hypothesised. Cox had summarised the existing theory popular among scientists that the streaks of pinkish colour on the icy surface of Enceladus may well point to bacteria. So: woohoo. Life. Beyond Earth. If they can confirm bacteria, no doubt they will next monitor for evolution taking place among the Enceladan (sp?) bacteria. It will give us an example of how evolution in a planet other than Earth proceeds (so far we've only had Earth as the sole example for the evolution of life, as pointed out by Cox and Sagan and Attenborough and others: from simple prokaryotic to eukaryotic to the complex life form explosion during the Cambrian era**. :or something
.Bij Donar, this is so exciting. I can't even think straight.
And NASA's apparently released pictures.
** My biology and physics - and indeed every subject - is rather shady, to say the least. Please look up your high school textbooks.
Death to traitors.