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About the urinating/defecating in public topic again.
[color="#0000FF"]The second post is the important one. But the following (especially the attitudes) are relevant to the post to follow.[/color]
1. rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2014/05/unicefs-slumdog-campaign.html
2. rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2014/05/in-case-you-feel-like-pissing-in-public.html
Haven't watched the video, but going by the comments to follow, it seems some disturbed holier-than-thou entity is going around harrassing Indians who are relieving themselves in public by spraying water on them or something:
What troubles me are lines such as these, courtesy Rajeev Srinivasan himself:
1. "this is one of my pet peeves: peeing in public, and worse, defecating in public. yes, it is a failure of the government to provide facilities, but do we have no shame as individuals?"
=> Uh, why do 1st worlders have no shame in publicly urinating and defecating in places like hi-tech Hong Kong? People didn't know? See further below/next post.
Really, why do better-off (stuck up?) Indians go all "1st-world" on their own people when - let's face it - India is still quite a poor country and living below the poverty line with many basic amenities missing (like universal access to clean drinking water etc), yet less fortunate Indians have to PRETEND to be rich and well-off just to keep the kinds of people who become easily ashamed from feeling embarrassed? The reality remains that at present, India is still a 3rd world country (nowadays called "developing world" but it's a new label for the old insult). And it is NOT public defecation that makes or keeps it 3rd world (HK/China still has public defecation/urination). But what keeps India a 3rd world country is the idiot mentality that Indians must live the lie of a 1st world life despite much of India not being well-off at present to actually live a 1st world life.
2. "why aren't we agitating and throwing out the useless bums who didn't give us the services, instead of happily peeing all over the place?"
=> Why does Rajeev say "we ... are peeing all over the place" when he doesn't mean "we" but other Indians, the supposedly "less civilised" and certainly often more destitute Indians than himself. See the tie-in Rajeev makes to civilised behaviour in:
3. "it is time we became less blase about public excretion. ... we need to learn some civics, act a little civilized."
=> Oh, and it's civilised to dump plastic everywhere in public and to let it collect everywhere? At least human waste (like all living waste products) are biodegradable.
Back in the early 90s, in NL (1st world country!), dogs used to do their thing all over the grass everywhere. And NO ONE removed the dog waste back then. There were no laws about it.
Of course I really disliked accidentally stepping on any, as did everyone, but I figured, Hey, it's an animal, it's what animals do (IIRC, producing waste/by products is one of the signs of a living organism). It's biodegradable: their stuff is returned back to the environment where it belongs and other creatures break it down, in a natural cycle. It's perhaps considered inconvenient but it is ultimately inoffensive (and is what should be happening to human waste products too, btw).
Then suddenly people started carrying about plastic dog-waste bags, to clean up after their dogs. And this became mandatory by law. <- PLASTIC BAGS to contain BIODEGRADABLE WASTE that really ought to be returned to the environment, and which used to be returned in the less "civilised" era up to the early 1990s.
Are these people mad? But this is the 1st world. Surely the epitome of civilisation? Yet now most of the 1st world is isolating biodegradable dog waste in plastic bags, and I doubt that there's any machinery separating the dog waste inside the plastic bags - for composting say - from their plastic coverings (for road/landfill garbage).
There are period pads containing plastic - back in my mother's era in Hindoo India they still used simple cotton cloths, which were reusable (now also available in a few environmentally conscious 1st world online stores, where you can pay for cotton rags :hysterical
- and tampons and condoms and mountains of diapers containing plastic etc etc.
Humans create this plastic non-biodegradable waste to capture and contain biodegradable human waste. That biodegradable waste should have been returned in some natural manner to our environment, but the 1st world can't be bothered coming up with workable solutions since it's too bothered with being civilised and since civil mentalities are not offended by plastic covering and isolating biodegradable waste - and indeed sees it as the civilised thing to do - there is no budging to improve the situation. This is not civilisation. It is a mockery of all commonsense, while parading about as superior.
Anyway, none of the 'civilised' Indian pretenders to 1st world sensibilities ([once-were-]NRIs by any chance?) have a word to say about how utterly disturbing this trend is. I have seen goats eat plastic garbage waste lining Indian roads. Non-biodegradable plastic. Far more offensive to me than Hindoos relieving themselves in public: I can look away from their private business safe in the knowledge that they are returning waste products to the soil where bacteria etc break it down. But I worry about the huge masses of accumulating plastic that take millions of years to degrade (and which we haven't taken 100 years to accumulate, more like a few decades) and which, IIRC - though I could be misremembering the environmental documentaries from primary school - temperatures the kind of which rages in the sun may be necessary to dispose of.
4. And this is an utter lie/ignorance (the latter is worse in this case, btw, convenient ignorance=uncivilised and in fact, should be a crime). Said Rajeev:
He missed that in rich and civilised Hong Kong, people pee and defecate in public - on a large scale (see next post) and let their kids do so too.
In fact, the football-player David Beckham apparently let his kid(s) urinate in public space in Hong Kong and apparently requested "understanding". Yet I doubt he'd have tried this in the UK or mainland Europe or AmriKKKa or anywhere christowestern. You see, civilised people do that only to non-western countries like India and China etc, even as they then go about producing UN "poo to the loo" type programs to lecture "3rd worlders" (or 1st/2nd world HK) on how to behave in a "civilised" fashion that won't offend 1st world western visitors to the UnWest.
[color="#FF0000"]For those interested in building toilets for humans that may be better suited to the Indian situation, perhaps this is relevant[/color] (it may be less water-intensive, and in any case it creates compost out of human waste):
IIRC, it's Do It Yourself (DIY). Why wait for the govt? Every Hindu village handyman - talented DIY-ers as they are - can get to work and fit their neighbourhood with such useful 'humanure' toilets.
There should be a nationwide ban on all wasteful plastic bag etc manufacturing and use. Such laws are imperative, a.o.t. laws against public defecation/urination. Certainly far more imperative than laws against public defecation.
And instead of spraying people who relieve themselves in public with water as a method of shaming/punishing them, should levy a super-tax on all the rich Indians (esp. Angelsk-speaking kind) who make use of and throw away any plastic bags etc. <- That will be all rich Indian ueber-losers who play at being superior 1st world vis-a-vis other Indians. Make it a tax that increases polynomially for each waste plastic item illegally disposed by the filthy rich (filthy is here such a contextually appropriate adjective to rich).
And when caught, they can be publicly shamed.
Ugh, only the oh-so-"intelligent" humans would invent non-biodegradable plastic as a "solution" to containing biodegradable waste and elevate such insanity to "civilisation". I'm beginning to rue the day some ancient monkeys left the trees for the grasses and started walking upright. Nothing worthwhile ever came from humans I think, when seen objectively; only things that humans imagine is worthwhile - which of course is a subjective POV and hence dismissable as mere human opinion (and the universe, as it grows older, will show up just how irrelevant, by wiping away everything humans ever "created" and pretended was so very "valuable" and "immortal". Humans. Sound and Fury. Nothing more.)
About the urinating/defecating in public topic again.
[color="#0000FF"]The second post is the important one. But the following (especially the attitudes) are relevant to the post to follow.[/color]
1. rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2014/05/unicefs-slumdog-campaign.html
Quote:Friday, May 02, 2014
UNICEF's Slumdog Campaign
With the seeming objective to improve sanitation in India, UNICEF has come out with this disgraceful Slumdog style campaign.
Making of Poo to the Loo song. Brilliant smorgasbord of toilet noises decided on by UNICEF representatives and the avant garde musicians enlisted for the project:
youtube.com/watch?v=hrUovuLAPP8
The music video:
youtube.com/watch?v=_peUxE_BKcU
Website:
poo2loo.com/
The team of orifices involved:
Maria Fernandez, Communication Specialist, UNICEF India
Shri, Music Composer
Chester Misquitta, Sound Engineer
KC Loy, Singer
Sofia Ashraf, Singer
Nilima Eriyat, Producer, Studio Eeksaurus
Nitu Chaudhry, Singer
Pradip Kashikar, Singer
Suresh Eriyat, Director
Shikha Sud, Creative Director
Sonia Bhatnagar, Executive Creative Director
Posted by non-carborundum at 5/02/2014 10:46:00 AM
2. rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2014/05/in-case-you-feel-like-pissing-in-public.html
Quote:Tuesday, May 13, 2014
in case you feel like pissing in public...
youtube.com/watch?v=aaEqZQXmx5M
Haven't watched the video, but going by the comments to follow, it seems some disturbed holier-than-thou entity is going around harrassing Indians who are relieving themselves in public by spraying water on them or something:
Quote:4 comments:
non-carborundum said...
I hope you don't endorse this Rajeev. I know there's a thing or two to be said about holding it in for a while, but where will most of these people go in the middle of the day? Where are the public toilets? Most of these seem to be people from the lower middle class.
If this hipster continues his Batman syndrome then he is going to get stabbed by some joker, and rightly so.
5/14/2014 12:24 AM
VidrohiArya said...
Agree with non-carborundum... this is highly insulting to poor people..and is a cover up for inefficiency of govt... i hope this guy does get stabbed...
5/14/2014 4:06 AM
Brownian Motion said...
I am absolutely speechless with anger. If it's official, it's a complete abuse of power. Whoever it is needs to be brought to heel.
There's absolutely no place to pee in Mumbai. The few Sulabh sauchalayas stink in my experience. One of the few places to pee is at the malls of which there simply aren't enough. Stores and restaurants almost never have clean public restrooms and they only allow their customers to use the facilities anyway. What's a man (or a poor woman) to do? There's only so much planning ahead you can do. To douse public pissers with water is absolutely criminal. The only path to take is to make clean public restrooms available everywhere and then educate the public to change their habits and use them. And after that abusers can be arrested etc. not doused with water.
5/14/2014 1:37 PM
nizhal yoddha said...
this is one of my pet peeves: peeing in public, and worse, defecating in public. yes, it is a failure of the government to provide facilities, but do we have no shame as individuals? at the very least couldn't we go behind a bush or something.
while the firehosing technique is cruel and inappropriate, it is time we became less blase about public excretion. just as we should about public noise we create, talking loudly and bothering everybody else around. we need to learn some civics, act a little civilized. this is not behavior appropriate to an ancient civilization. even in dirt-poor countries elsewhere, i have never seen public defecation. why in india?
and anyway, why aren't we agitating and throwing out the useless bums who didn't give us the services, instead of happily peeing all over the place?
5/14/2014 9:41 PM
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sent from samsung galaxy note, so please excuse brevity Posted by nizhal yoddha at 5/13/2014 11:44:00 PM
What troubles me are lines such as these, courtesy Rajeev Srinivasan himself:
1. "this is one of my pet peeves: peeing in public, and worse, defecating in public. yes, it is a failure of the government to provide facilities, but do we have no shame as individuals?"
=> Uh, why do 1st worlders have no shame in publicly urinating and defecating in places like hi-tech Hong Kong? People didn't know? See further below/next post.
Really, why do better-off (stuck up?) Indians go all "1st-world" on their own people when - let's face it - India is still quite a poor country and living below the poverty line with many basic amenities missing (like universal access to clean drinking water etc), yet less fortunate Indians have to PRETEND to be rich and well-off just to keep the kinds of people who become easily ashamed from feeling embarrassed? The reality remains that at present, India is still a 3rd world country (nowadays called "developing world" but it's a new label for the old insult). And it is NOT public defecation that makes or keeps it 3rd world (HK/China still has public defecation/urination). But what keeps India a 3rd world country is the idiot mentality that Indians must live the lie of a 1st world life despite much of India not being well-off at present to actually live a 1st world life.
2. "why aren't we agitating and throwing out the useless bums who didn't give us the services, instead of happily peeing all over the place?"
=> Why does Rajeev say "we ... are peeing all over the place" when he doesn't mean "we" but other Indians, the supposedly "less civilised" and certainly often more destitute Indians than himself. See the tie-in Rajeev makes to civilised behaviour in:
3. "it is time we became less blase about public excretion. ... we need to learn some civics, act a little civilized."
=> Oh, and it's civilised to dump plastic everywhere in public and to let it collect everywhere? At least human waste (like all living waste products) are biodegradable.
Back in the early 90s, in NL (1st world country!), dogs used to do their thing all over the grass everywhere. And NO ONE removed the dog waste back then. There were no laws about it.
Of course I really disliked accidentally stepping on any, as did everyone, but I figured, Hey, it's an animal, it's what animals do (IIRC, producing waste/by products is one of the signs of a living organism). It's biodegradable: their stuff is returned back to the environment where it belongs and other creatures break it down, in a natural cycle. It's perhaps considered inconvenient but it is ultimately inoffensive (and is what should be happening to human waste products too, btw).
Then suddenly people started carrying about plastic dog-waste bags, to clean up after their dogs. And this became mandatory by law. <- PLASTIC BAGS to contain BIODEGRADABLE WASTE that really ought to be returned to the environment, and which used to be returned in the less "civilised" era up to the early 1990s.
Are these people mad? But this is the 1st world. Surely the epitome of civilisation? Yet now most of the 1st world is isolating biodegradable dog waste in plastic bags, and I doubt that there's any machinery separating the dog waste inside the plastic bags - for composting say - from their plastic coverings (for road/landfill garbage).
There are period pads containing plastic - back in my mother's era in Hindoo India they still used simple cotton cloths, which were reusable (now also available in a few environmentally conscious 1st world online stores, where you can pay for cotton rags :hysterical
- and tampons and condoms and mountains of diapers containing plastic etc etc.Humans create this plastic non-biodegradable waste to capture and contain biodegradable human waste. That biodegradable waste should have been returned in some natural manner to our environment, but the 1st world can't be bothered coming up with workable solutions since it's too bothered with being civilised and since civil mentalities are not offended by plastic covering and isolating biodegradable waste - and indeed sees it as the civilised thing to do - there is no budging to improve the situation. This is not civilisation. It is a mockery of all commonsense, while parading about as superior.
Anyway, none of the 'civilised' Indian pretenders to 1st world sensibilities ([once-were-]NRIs by any chance?) have a word to say about how utterly disturbing this trend is. I have seen goats eat plastic garbage waste lining Indian roads. Non-biodegradable plastic. Far more offensive to me than Hindoos relieving themselves in public: I can look away from their private business safe in the knowledge that they are returning waste products to the soil where bacteria etc break it down. But I worry about the huge masses of accumulating plastic that take millions of years to degrade (and which we haven't taken 100 years to accumulate, more like a few decades) and which, IIRC - though I could be misremembering the environmental documentaries from primary school - temperatures the kind of which rages in the sun may be necessary to dispose of.
4. And this is an utter lie/ignorance (the latter is worse in this case, btw, convenient ignorance=uncivilised and in fact, should be a crime). Said Rajeev:
Quote:"even in dirt-poor countries elsewhere, i have never seen public defecation. why in india?"
He missed that in rich and civilised Hong Kong, people pee and defecate in public - on a large scale (see next post) and let their kids do so too.
In fact, the football-player David Beckham apparently let his kid(s) urinate in public space in Hong Kong and apparently requested "understanding". Yet I doubt he'd have tried this in the UK or mainland Europe or AmriKKKa or anywhere christowestern. You see, civilised people do that only to non-western countries like India and China etc, even as they then go about producing UN "poo to the loo" type programs to lecture "3rd worlders" (or 1st/2nd world HK) on how to behave in a "civilised" fashion that won't offend 1st world western visitors to the UnWest.
[color="#FF0000"]For those interested in building toilets for humans that may be better suited to the Indian situation, perhaps this is relevant[/color] (it may be less water-intensive, and in any case it creates compost out of human waste):
Quote:[color="#FF0000"]humanurehandbook.com/
humanurehandbook.com/downloads/Humanure_Handbook_all.pdf[/color]
IIRC, it's Do It Yourself (DIY). Why wait for the govt? Every Hindu village handyman - talented DIY-ers as they are - can get to work and fit their neighbourhood with such useful 'humanure' toilets.
There should be a nationwide ban on all wasteful plastic bag etc manufacturing and use. Such laws are imperative, a.o.t. laws against public defecation/urination. Certainly far more imperative than laws against public defecation.
And instead of spraying people who relieve themselves in public with water as a method of shaming/punishing them, should levy a super-tax on all the rich Indians (esp. Angelsk-speaking kind) who make use of and throw away any plastic bags etc. <- That will be all rich Indian ueber-losers who play at being superior 1st world vis-a-vis other Indians. Make it a tax that increases polynomially for each waste plastic item illegally disposed by the filthy rich (filthy is here such a contextually appropriate adjective to rich).
And when caught, they can be publicly shamed.
Ugh, only the oh-so-"intelligent" humans would invent non-biodegradable plastic as a "solution" to containing biodegradable waste and elevate such insanity to "civilisation". I'm beginning to rue the day some ancient monkeys left the trees for the grasses and started walking upright. Nothing worthwhile ever came from humans I think, when seen objectively; only things that humans imagine is worthwhile - which of course is a subjective POV and hence dismissable as mere human opinion (and the universe, as it grows older, will show up just how irrelevant, by wiping away everything humans ever "created" and pretended was so very "valuable" and "immortal". Humans. Sound and Fury. Nothing more.)