On this:
Obviously, the godmen cults accusation was only for the LHS - for the many modern cults that are replacing traditional Hindu religion among Hindus and which kinds one VV commenter Senthil had highlighted in a Sandhya Jain article there.
And goes without saying that the accusation was not for the acharyas mentioned at the end of the listing. (Not sure I even read up to that part of the sentence.)
I could be wrong, but Swami/Yogi/Baba Ramdev also seems inoffensive - though admittedly I know little enough about him. From my limited understanding however, he seems to just be teaching yoga to Hindus and promoting ayurveda among them, not trying to be a personality cult. (Never heard of Pramukh Swami though.)
As regards traditional Hindoo Acharyas/Swamis visiting China etc. I recall that the current Senior Swamigal at Kanchi was invited by some Chinese to come speak in China. The Swami actually expressed a willingness to go, probably realising that everyday Asians to our SE/E are non-trivial and are a heathen-minded population (unlike the aliens, who are all new-agey, being christo-conditioned post-christians). IIRC the tentative visit to China fell through as it was immediately followed by christianism's infamous framing of the Kanchi matham for a murder that the Swamis/Matham have been acquitted of since. Christianism's defamation project may or may not have succeeded in getting the Chinese to back off the plan to host the Swami, but if any Chinese heathens are ever still interested in conversing with him on heathen matters, they don't need to make him travel all the way (he's older now): they can always just email the matham (or any other established/traditional matham) a list of questions they have for him and ask the mathas to provide an English-language response. Chinese translators can then translate that back into their own language. Back-and-forth exchanges in written form also work, after all.
Alternatively, any S/E Asian heathen interested in having a face-to-face conversation with Hindu acharyas can always just drop by: they'll find they actually don't need appointments to visit the Acharyas in India. I know this to be true of the Kanchi acharyas, where one can just casually drop in to see them.
It would actually be a good and meaningful thing if the Kanchi Swami etc could actually talk to traditional Daoists in China, and get to learn how Daoists are in a way similar to Hindoos, and in what ways their monism and dvaitam is similar to and in what ways these are different from Hindus' own monism and dvaitam. (Traditional Daoists will only open up about their Gods with fellow heathens who have shown signs of having Gods and of taking these seriously, so Hindu acharyas will feel like they're in the company of kindred. Also, the Kanchi Swami is not missionary, so he will appreciate being informed about similar populations and informing them in turn about Hindoos and their Hindooism.) And at the end of such conversations, Hindu Swamis would know how imperative it has become to tell modern "Hindus" to Back Off from threatening to missionise Daoist China. So I think traditional Hindu acharyas really should meet up with Shintos and Daoists to exchange information about their heathenisms as a sign of inter-heathen friendship and to realise the depth of such heathen affinity.
Of course there is the very real fear that if Hindoo acharyas were to meet with more gracious (not to mention less subverted=more heathen) populations, the acharyas might want to abandon the basketcase that is modern angelsk-speaking Hindus for being degenerate subvertible ingrates, and instead choose to reside with more deserving, more heathen-inclined Asian peoples, even though these are not Hindu and hence don't require Hindu acharyas. Yet S/E Asian heathens would nevertheless appreciate Hindu acharyas more than modern Hindus would or could, and would not screech at them like some of those "Hindu" commenters did at a recent VV article casting aspersions on the character of Swami Swaroopananda (the Shankaracharya of Dwaraka-Badrinath mathas). It's a good thing that heathen Hindoo laity still exist and that their numbers are still such that they exert a sufficient force of attraction on Hindu acharyas to retain them. Plus there's the fact that Hindoo acharyas like to reside in their native habitat/in the native habitat of their own Gods and that they can moreover always ignore the masses of undeserving entities while supporting and guiding the ever-dwindling number of deserving ones.
Quote:rajeev2004.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/fwd-time-for-india-to-use-its-soft.html
An article on "Time for India to use its soft power" vis-a-vis China. Glanced over it.
Quote:Hence, India should be sending Sri Sri Ravishankar/Mata Amirtanandamayi / Swami Ramdev/ Pramukh Swami/Sankaracharyas/Vaishnavite Seers and other spiritual leaders,
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As regards the first line about Sri Sri etc: Great, India can't even get rid of its own godmen cults, it has to impose them on other heathen Asian nations. So that they can all become brainlessly new age like modern angelsk-speaking Indians!
Obviously, the godmen cults accusation was only for the LHS - for the many modern cults that are replacing traditional Hindu religion among Hindus and which kinds one VV commenter Senthil had highlighted in a Sandhya Jain article there.
And goes without saying that the accusation was not for the acharyas mentioned at the end of the listing. (Not sure I even read up to that part of the sentence.)
I could be wrong, but Swami/Yogi/Baba Ramdev also seems inoffensive - though admittedly I know little enough about him. From my limited understanding however, he seems to just be teaching yoga to Hindus and promoting ayurveda among them, not trying to be a personality cult. (Never heard of Pramukh Swami though.)
As regards traditional Hindoo Acharyas/Swamis visiting China etc. I recall that the current Senior Swamigal at Kanchi was invited by some Chinese to come speak in China. The Swami actually expressed a willingness to go, probably realising that everyday Asians to our SE/E are non-trivial and are a heathen-minded population (unlike the aliens, who are all new-agey, being christo-conditioned post-christians). IIRC the tentative visit to China fell through as it was immediately followed by christianism's infamous framing of the Kanchi matham for a murder that the Swamis/Matham have been acquitted of since. Christianism's defamation project may or may not have succeeded in getting the Chinese to back off the plan to host the Swami, but if any Chinese heathens are ever still interested in conversing with him on heathen matters, they don't need to make him travel all the way (he's older now): they can always just email the matham (or any other established/traditional matham) a list of questions they have for him and ask the mathas to provide an English-language response. Chinese translators can then translate that back into their own language. Back-and-forth exchanges in written form also work, after all.
Alternatively, any S/E Asian heathen interested in having a face-to-face conversation with Hindu acharyas can always just drop by: they'll find they actually don't need appointments to visit the Acharyas in India. I know this to be true of the Kanchi acharyas, where one can just casually drop in to see them.
It would actually be a good and meaningful thing if the Kanchi Swami etc could actually talk to traditional Daoists in China, and get to learn how Daoists are in a way similar to Hindoos, and in what ways their monism and dvaitam is similar to and in what ways these are different from Hindus' own monism and dvaitam. (Traditional Daoists will only open up about their Gods with fellow heathens who have shown signs of having Gods and of taking these seriously, so Hindu acharyas will feel like they're in the company of kindred. Also, the Kanchi Swami is not missionary, so he will appreciate being informed about similar populations and informing them in turn about Hindoos and their Hindooism.) And at the end of such conversations, Hindu Swamis would know how imperative it has become to tell modern "Hindus" to Back Off from threatening to missionise Daoist China. So I think traditional Hindu acharyas really should meet up with Shintos and Daoists to exchange information about their heathenisms as a sign of inter-heathen friendship and to realise the depth of such heathen affinity.
Of course there is the very real fear that if Hindoo acharyas were to meet with more gracious (not to mention less subverted=more heathen) populations, the acharyas might want to abandon the basketcase that is modern angelsk-speaking Hindus for being degenerate subvertible ingrates, and instead choose to reside with more deserving, more heathen-inclined Asian peoples, even though these are not Hindu and hence don't require Hindu acharyas. Yet S/E Asian heathens would nevertheless appreciate Hindu acharyas more than modern Hindus would or could, and would not screech at them like some of those "Hindu" commenters did at a recent VV article casting aspersions on the character of Swami Swaroopananda (the Shankaracharya of Dwaraka-Badrinath mathas). It's a good thing that heathen Hindoo laity still exist and that their numbers are still such that they exert a sufficient force of attraction on Hindu acharyas to retain them. Plus there's the fact that Hindoo acharyas like to reside in their native habitat/in the native habitat of their own Gods and that they can moreover always ignore the masses of undeserving entities while supporting and guiding the ever-dwindling number of deserving ones.