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I really hope that's the last on the topic of why Ayyappa/Shabarimalai allegedly being Buddhist/Avalokiteshwara/Potalaka is NOT the case. And that such assertions are merely the insidious and villainous rumour-mongering by unscrupulous Buddhists/Bauddhified (and/or bad scholarship) and their indiscriminate Bauddhified parrots.
The real moral is that
+ if you don't want to sound so totally wrong like Lokesh Chandra - who is in fact so wrong that even I can poke holes (often by mere googling) into his lame unresearched theories and unscholarly argumentation - then:
Don't get Bauddhified
+ if you don't want to sound like Lokesh's parrots: pompously certain that his Mere (And Flawed) Speculations are actually true, and thus peddling Lokesh's lies about as truths (thereby moreover ostracising yourself from Hindu Gods/religion on account of your preference to adhere to lies <- That was the fine print; But no backpeddling, right?), then:
Don't get Bauddhified
Because, clearly Bauddhification makes once-Hindus 1. come up with stupid theories that only stupid/bauddhified people believe; 2. blindly believe stupid things and not check it up for themselves, while still peddling it on eagerly as fact. <= Yes, that is the Direct Consequence of their Bauddhification.
Since any *Hindoo* would have bothered to check pseudo-scholarly and/or Bauddhising claims on Hindu religion. It means you know your religion more or at least that you're willing to credit your religion some, enough to bother to look into the matter.
Anyway, modern Indians Angelsk-speaking "Hindus" "nationalists" vocalists are a shorthand for the sort of deeper problems Hindoo India faces. That of gangrene. Which comes from a willful wallowing in utter stupidity and not knowing better. It is the inability to distinguish between facts and speculations. The inability to reason, even at a basic level. The inability to tell scholarship apart from merely published tripe. And of course, to top it all off, there is their subvertibility, their tendency to de-heathenise naturally when the conditions are right for this.
The reason it's gangrene is because, had Shabarimalai been declared Buddhist by anti-Hindus (say christists or islamaniacs or Romila types) - and with the same non-"arguments" as Lokesh produced - then all of the same Hindu vocalists would have made it a point to at least look up the matter and decide for themselves. Because a christo-islami-communitwit made the ridiculous claim.
But because some cryptoBuddhist-else-unscholar (Lokesh) said it and because a prominent Bauddhified Hindu nationalist (Rajeev) said it, every subvertible entity that would have fallen for that Buddhism did fall for it. (And they're doing their best to peddle it on, having bought into it.)
That is why gangrene will kill Hindoo-dom from the inside-out, while anti-Hindoos of the visible enemy types (alien religions and ideologies) can only dream of being able to get under Hindus' skin like that (I mean, imagine if their electronically-delivered drivel had as much currency among Hindus: how many Hindus should they have scored for their moronisms by now).
However, Hindus are not immune to anti-Hindus of the Indic religion variety - Hindus are unable to detect what is clearly anti-Hinduism in the "Shramanisms" - unlike Hindus' growing immunity to christo-islami-communist Hindu-baiting.
And where Buddhism is concerned, the matter becomes more serious because the rest of Asia is involved: other Asian heathens have to pay the price when Hindus won't do their duty but will instead roll over to Bauddhicising nonsense. It does affect everyone. Especially with the growing interest of Indian "Hindus" to declare that Taoists and other Asian heathens must share the same fate as Hindus in getting lumped with Buddhism.
lankaweb.com/news/items/2014/05/21/narendra-modi-will-promote-indias-rich-buddhist-heritage-to-attract-tourists-and-scholars-and-enhance-indias-standing-in-the-world/
Which also mentions:
Does Modi have any tendency toward Shiva? Because if he does, then Hsuan-Tsang is talking about Modi right *here*:
[It would be nice if a SL Sinhalese Nationalist leader went and built a Hindu circuit in Sri Lanka of all the Hindu temples taken over by Buddhism there. But that will never happen.* Just like Modi will in all likelihood not get the Sri Rama temple at Ayodhya rebuilt. But we will get a Buddha circuit. And therefore more missionary vultures. :Yay:
* And Buddhism will certainly not let it happen: the sangha worked hard to get rid off else take over those Hindu temple sites in SL.]
Actually, Modi should patronise islam and christianism too. Let's not discriminate. They consider Hindus as a population to be converted too. By inculturation if possible. And by other means if necessary.
Speaking of other means. It's time to move on from this topic.
I really hope that's the last on the topic of why Ayyappa/Shabarimalai allegedly being Buddhist/Avalokiteshwara/Potalaka is NOT the case. And that such assertions are merely the insidious and villainous rumour-mongering by unscrupulous Buddhists/Bauddhified (and/or bad scholarship) and their indiscriminate Bauddhified parrots.
The real moral is that
+ if you don't want to sound so totally wrong like Lokesh Chandra - who is in fact so wrong that even I can poke holes (often by mere googling) into his lame unresearched theories and unscholarly argumentation - then:
Don't get Bauddhified
+ if you don't want to sound like Lokesh's parrots: pompously certain that his Mere (And Flawed) Speculations are actually true, and thus peddling Lokesh's lies about as truths (thereby moreover ostracising yourself from Hindu Gods/religion on account of your preference to adhere to lies <- That was the fine print; But no backpeddling, right?), then:
Don't get Bauddhified
Because, clearly Bauddhification makes once-Hindus 1. come up with stupid theories that only stupid/bauddhified people believe; 2. blindly believe stupid things and not check it up for themselves, while still peddling it on eagerly as fact. <= Yes, that is the Direct Consequence of their Bauddhification.
Since any *Hindoo* would have bothered to check pseudo-scholarly and/or Bauddhising claims on Hindu religion. It means you know your religion more or at least that you're willing to credit your religion some, enough to bother to look into the matter.
Anyway, modern Indians Angelsk-speaking "Hindus" "nationalists" vocalists are a shorthand for the sort of deeper problems Hindoo India faces. That of gangrene. Which comes from a willful wallowing in utter stupidity and not knowing better. It is the inability to distinguish between facts and speculations. The inability to reason, even at a basic level. The inability to tell scholarship apart from merely published tripe. And of course, to top it all off, there is their subvertibility, their tendency to de-heathenise naturally when the conditions are right for this.
The reason it's gangrene is because, had Shabarimalai been declared Buddhist by anti-Hindus (say christists or islamaniacs or Romila types) - and with the same non-"arguments" as Lokesh produced - then all of the same Hindu vocalists would have made it a point to at least look up the matter and decide for themselves. Because a christo-islami-communitwit made the ridiculous claim.
But because some cryptoBuddhist-else-unscholar (Lokesh) said it and because a prominent Bauddhified Hindu nationalist (Rajeev) said it, every subvertible entity that would have fallen for that Buddhism did fall for it. (And they're doing their best to peddle it on, having bought into it.)
That is why gangrene will kill Hindoo-dom from the inside-out, while anti-Hindoos of the visible enemy types (alien religions and ideologies) can only dream of being able to get under Hindus' skin like that (I mean, imagine if their electronically-delivered drivel had as much currency among Hindus: how many Hindus should they have scored for their moronisms by now).
However, Hindus are not immune to anti-Hindus of the Indic religion variety - Hindus are unable to detect what is clearly anti-Hinduism in the "Shramanisms" - unlike Hindus' growing immunity to christo-islami-communist Hindu-baiting.
And where Buddhism is concerned, the matter becomes more serious because the rest of Asia is involved: other Asian heathens have to pay the price when Hindus won't do their duty but will instead roll over to Bauddhicising nonsense. It does affect everyone. Especially with the growing interest of Indian "Hindus" to declare that Taoists and other Asian heathens must share the same fate as Hindus in getting lumped with Buddhism.
lankaweb.com/news/items/2014/05/21/narendra-modi-will-promote-indias-rich-buddhist-heritage-to-attract-tourists-and-scholars-and-enhance-indias-standing-in-the-world/
Which also mentions:
Quote:zeenews.india.com/news/general-elections-2014/narendra-modi-invokes-hsuan-tsang-to-connect-with-buddhists-of-varanasi-sarnath_927038.html
Varanasi: Aiming to connect with Buddhists of Varanasi-Sarnath region, Narendra Modi on Thursday said ancient Chinese traveller Hsuan-Tsang had visited his birthplace at Vadnagar in Gujarat.
Modi, before filing his nomination from Varanasi Lok Sabha seat today, said that Chinese traveller Hsuan-Tsang had visited his birth place at Vadnagar, which he claimed was a place bustling with Buddhists at that time.
ââ¬ÅPeople used to believe that Buddhism existed only in the East, but my village testifies that it was prevalent in the West also. So my affinity towards Buddhism is connected to my birth,ââ¬Â the BJPââ¬â¢s Prime Ministerial candidate said.
[...]
PTI
First Published: Thursday, April 24, 2014
Does Modi have any tendency toward Shiva? Because if he does, then Hsuan-Tsang is talking about Modi right *here*:
Quote:To the north-east of the city of Po-lu-sha 50 li or so, we come to a high mountain, on which is a figure of the wife of Isvara Deva carved out of green stone. This is Bhima Devi (= Durga). . . . It has the reputation of working numerous miracles, and therefore is venerated by all, so that from every part of India men come to pay their vows and seek prosperity thereby. . . . Below the mountain is the temple of Mahesvara Deva; the heretics who cover themselves with ashes come here to offer sacrifice. (Beal 1884: 113-14)
[It would be nice if a SL Sinhalese Nationalist leader went and built a Hindu circuit in Sri Lanka of all the Hindu temples taken over by Buddhism there. But that will never happen.* Just like Modi will in all likelihood not get the Sri Rama temple at Ayodhya rebuilt. But we will get a Buddha circuit. And therefore more missionary vultures. :Yay:
* And Buddhism will certainly not let it happen: the sangha worked hard to get rid off else take over those Hindu temple sites in SL.]
Actually, Modi should patronise islam and christianism too. Let's not discriminate. They consider Hindus as a population to be converted too. By inculturation if possible. And by other means if necessary.
Speaking of other means. It's time to move on from this topic.