And the tragedies just keep piling up.
This next is the worst news I've heard in a long time.
The following stuff was found in the Rajeev2004 blog's twitterfeed.
On this page:
beingdifferentforum.blogspot.in/2014/08/the-strange-case-of-re-de-re-colonized.html
this para caught my eye
Everything could have been stopped long ago, with two simple rules, to be enforced by all Hindus on all Hindus (like the N/D/Lakota did with their War Declaration against the selling of their religion to aliens):
1. say no to anyone alien and don't let them anywhere near our Hindoo religion and any part of Hindoodom. That is, no dabbling of any type. Should have kept Hindoo religion private=secret like traditional Taoists do.
2. do not make Hindoo stuffs (Skt, Yoga to now Bharatanatyam and Carnatic music, etc) into "all-Indian" stuff, thus teaching and arming India's christoislamics - as it armed Buddhists etc in the past - who can and *will* use it all against Hindu religion. In other words: don't teach non-Hindu Indians anything Hindoo. (And with no apologies: Skt too is Hindoo onlee, *not* "equally" Buddhist/Jain/whatever just because they eventually hypocritically encroached on it - exactly like christianism is starting to do now, btw).
But Indians will not want to do the 2nd and they will shout you down for even suggesting the first. Love for western people - but not heathen western people, i.e. those minding their own ancestral religion instead of dabbling in Hindu religion/new ageism - seems to be the defining quality of modern "Hindus".
India is unfortunately witnessing the fruits of the mess it started.
Pity that the Shringeri Matham is infiltrated by a KKKangressi (crypto?) CEO who is opening the floodgates to more subversion and de-heathenisation to come.
A pity also that Swarup and Goel are gone. They had some sense and insight - and were not badmouthers of heathenism (or its traditional acharyas) and could have remedied all this easily.
Don't know why Malhotra is calling Indians "fools" or something. Lots of Indians saw through the appropriation and inculturation years back. Even I did. (Though - being slow - I only realised more recently that Hindu religion has been a victim of inculturation since Jainism/Buddhism.)
I seem to be unique however - though I can't fathom why - in having objected (ever since I first noticed) to aliens dabbling in the vedam, which includes but is not limited to the modern trend of Hindus inducting aliens into the vedam, since aliens have been dabbling in it independent of tutoring too. And I've slowly changed over to objecting to initiating aliens into anything Hindu, or approving any dabbling. Ancient Hindus would not have allowed this**, despite Elst insisting they must (using his Argumentum Ad Oryanism - which has turned into the greatest excuse).
Have as yet Never But Never heard any Hindus complain about the alien "pure vedicist" types. And yet these last are really beyond any Hindus' worst nightmare. They are doing the Other replacement (a.o.t. replacement theology, which is done by missionary religions): pure vedicists try to take over Hindoo religion and replace you=Hindoos.
** Think deeply: would ancient Hindoos have allowed the christo-conditioned world any access at all, defined as the latter is by being bred by christianism as the desired replacement population upon christianism's genocide of Europe's native heathens. The very definition of mlecchas. Europeans are now essentially the product of convertibles and subvertibles alone: the insubvertibles were genocided/extincted long ago by the ancestors of the remaining Europeans. And the only Europeans who have yet managed to find their way back, find it back to their own *ancestral* heathenism/Gods, *never* to others' ethnic heathenisms.
Anyway, the whole need to subsume the traditional mathas is to force them/subsume their views into the sphere of oryanism, else there would continue to exist Hindoo traditions not infiltrated and which have a life and views independent of oryanism. Subverting mainstream/modern "Hindus" is not enough if the west wants total control and total hijacking of Hindoo stuffs for themselves. They need to subvert traditional transmission among Hindoo authorities that are/have been immune to oryanism thus far. As usual, time will tell how it will all play out.
In other news, seen at the rajeev2004 blog's twitter feed:
+ https :// twitter.com/trackevangelism/status/555972222951518209/photo/1
Hindoos should have collectively banned alien companies, startups and orgs in India. There is no way to make laws banning alien orgs from supporting churches etc. Hindus let in a trojan horse and now have to wait for the inevitable consequences to lead to the inevitable conclusions.
Next the same angelsk-speaking types will complain about the "incompetence" and "unsophistication" of the VHP/RSS in reconverting Hindus, despite the same angelsk-speaking types having supported and worked for the very organisations like Google India etc that have been facilitating conversions and christianisation of India and jihad (ANHAD).
It's too much too ask that angelsk-speaking vocalists do some reconversion activities themselves, but could they at least not have been/be *part* of the problem. And then they sneer at the "paltry" numbers of reverts that VHP brings home and the "crude fanfare" with which this is allegedly conducted. <- Sort of a summary for angelsk-speaking/modern Hindu nationalists.
+ Leela Samson suddenly retires with a lame excuse. But Rajeev Srinivasan supplies a highly likely reason.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Censor-Board-chief-quits-to-protest-MSG-clearance/articleshow/45904506.cms
+ dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2911990/PIERS-MORGAN-did-turning-cheek-turn-punching-face-Pope-Francis-does-mean-s-OK-shoot-too.html
Pope Francis has sided with the jihadis who attacked the Charlie Hebdo magazine, threatening that insults to "faith" are provocation to a violence that is deserved. Hey, if those are the rules, then fine by me: being a rowdy by nature, this is what I'm good at.
There is of course a threat to Hindus that's couched in Francis' message: the pope's statements are commandments to the faithful, and he is their rolemodel, his words leading by example. Whether European catholics still go by papal infallibility or not, Indian catholics do. So they are now going to go into physical assault mode, just like islamaniacs always do, if Hindus were to reveal any unsavory truth about christianism.
+ Another tweet:
It's not digestion. It's appropriation for Replacement. And like the commenter at HK had said: inculturation is the first step and re-interpretation (to give it
a newfangled "christian" meaning) is the second step.
And when the ever growing number of progressive/modern "Hindus" have dropped it - as already discussed about Skt and carnatic music etc - christians will declare they're the ones who "saved/preserved" Indian culture suddenly dubbed "therefore christian".
Hindus faced Buddhist and Jain inculturation and re-interpretation in the past. Hindus lost a lot then, by (ill-advisedly) abandoning core Hindoo matters because of such Buddhist/Jain appropriation. E.g. Buddhist inculturation then appropriation of Indran and Brahma. (The beginnings are already seen in Silappadikaaram, when Indran for instance was still immensely important to and adored by Hindus - no less than Shiva and Vishnu - but when Buddhism etc had already started its inculturation routine on Indra.) Now Buddhism in E Asia etc claims that "unlike in Hinduism, Indra is still important in Buddhism". But they only ever had the Bauddhified *clones* of Indra and Brahma, i.e. fakes. And HindOOs never actually fully abandoned Indra etc, and even otherwise, other religions and entities - Indic or no - can Not inherit any part of Hindoo religion "by default". (Also Buddhism admits that its "Shakra" is a clone with a newly-minted distinct identity, and is specifically not the same as Vedic Indra despite having stolen his names and several of his features, see wackypedia references copied into IF on this.)
There, I said it.
On a smaller scale, such enforced Hindu amputation as a response to missionary inculturation/appropriation/subversion was already seen in the famous example of Hindoos dropping the padmam from Dakshinamoorty's hand after Buddhism had tried to inculturate on him via their Padmapani invention. Many such examples. But the strange late-Hindu apparent neglect of Indra and Brahma is famous, as is the fact that this change-over is conveniently regarded a "mystery". Note: the Hindu sect devoted to Brahma - comparable to Vaishnavas and Shaivas - was still attested in 4th century BCE or CE (can't remember, IIRC the former). But then...
Anyway. The history of Hindoo religion's face off against older missionary=inculturating religions shows that Hindu religion didn't entirely emerge unscathed. (And today the very class of vocalists warning against inculturation and appropriation by christianism like to pretend that all Hindoo things appropriated by Jainism/Buddhism belong "equally" to Jainism/Buddhism - presumably because these had stolen these Hindoo things long ago. Yet it is all the same missionary tactic.) So Hindoos need to learn from their own history. No losses of heathenism are minor.
Therefore Hindus must avoid dropping any aspect of Hindoo religion: not bindi, not veebooti or namam, not chandanam, not saree, not the prescribed items of jewellery, not thali, not flowers in the hair, not local dance forms and local Hindoo musical forms (singing to instruments and congregations), not our martial arts, not our siddha medicine or ayurveda (which Buddhists and Jains inculturated on too, so that it has suddenly become "all-Indian" - as per modern Hindus - never mind that ayurveda is the upaveda of IIRC the Rig Vedam), not ter/ratha yatras and utsavams (both inculturated upon by christianism since the colonial era), not melas, not our specific teerthas, not temple design, moorti design, temple elephants, go pooja (not inculturated upon yet by christianism), not vegetarianism, not stotras and mantras or forms of stotras and mantras, not the various rites of life like annaprashnam and vidyarambam, not bhakti (even today, Buddhism and Jainism laughably keep attempting to inculturate on bhakti by claiming to have invented it), etc. Not *anything* Hindoo.
Jainism and Buddhism are still at it too, e.g. trying to divorce Tirukkural and Tiruvalluvar from Hindoo religion, so that some modern Tamil Hindoos treat it as a suddenly secular/unaffiliated or Jain text and don't take these as seriously as Hindoos used to take it.
There's also the de-deifying of Hindu Gods and the de-sacralising of them, but this is done even by "Hindus" who then even object to Hindoos retaining their traditional views on such matters.
This next is the worst news I've heard in a long time.
The following stuff was found in the Rajeev2004 blog's twitterfeed.
Quote:16 JanSuspect it's not some ideologically-innocent KKKangress plant.
NikhilD @Nikhil_7D
@maidros78 Sringeri Math is abt to let in sheldon pollock..can we do something? beingdifferentforum.blogspot.in/2014/08/hijacking-sanskrit-away-from-hindu.html ââ¬Â¦ @sarkar_swati @RajeevSrinivasa
Retweeted by rajeev srinivasan
(And this next explains everything
NikhilD @Nikhil_7D
@maidros78 @sarkar_swati @RajeevSrinivasa the CEO of Math is Congress plant...a mole.This CEO ws instrumental in Pollock's Bharat Ratna.
Retweeted by rajeev srinivasan
Quote: "The following excerpt from "Breaking India" is a small sample of what is wrong with hoisting Sheldon Pollock as the award-winning "Friend of India". He is now on a roll, rapidly taking control of Sanskrit Studies with massive funding from Indians who think they are helping "promote" their dharma::
Quote:Blaming Indian Civilization
Despite the fact that it was European scholarship which had misappropriated, distorted and abused Indian traditions for European identity politics, there is still a tendency among certain western scholars to put the blame for European racism and Nazism at Indiaââ¬â¢s door. Sheldon Pollock, professor of Sanskrit at Coloumbia University promotes this view. According to Pollock "high Brahminism" as represented by the Mimamsa School contributed to the "ideological formations of precolonial India" and Nazism tried implementing this "at home" in Germany.[1] Pollock argues that it was this that ultimately led to the "legitimation of genocide".[2] Wilhelm Halbfass takes such ridiculous statements to ironic speculations,
"Would it not be equally permissible to identify this underlying structure as "deep Nazism" or "deep Mimamsa"? And what will prevent us from calling Kumarila and William Jones "deep Nazis" and Adolf Hitler a "deep Mimamsaka"?
We can se the implications of Western Indologists continuing to use the idea of the Aryan in the Indian context, with references to ââ¬ÅAryan invasionsââ¬Â and so forth. As will be shown in subsequent chapters, European racial ideas conveniently made their way into India, where they were reframed in terms of light skinned ââ¬ÅAryansââ¬Â and dark skinned ââ¬ÅDravidians.ââ¬Â These distinctions were first promoted in colonial times, but remain powerful to this day in the study of India.
On this page:
beingdifferentforum.blogspot.in/2014/08/the-strange-case-of-re-de-re-colonized.html
this para caught my eye
Quote:My sources inform me that Sringeri mattha is likely to fund several million dollars to help these PhD factories. This is how ignorant our folks are. But who am I in their eyes to listen to? The white scholars are so smooth in impressing the Indian fools, using their skills with Indian languages and culture.Not sure who Rajiv Malhotra is calling stupid/a fool - i.e. whether any backreference to the Matha itself or its lineage of acharyas was intended. (Rajiv is not famous for respecting traditional acharyas and promotes Nityananda, so the suspicion is not unfounded.) But he can easily meet up with the acharyas of Shringeri and Kanchi if he actually wanted to.
Everything could have been stopped long ago, with two simple rules, to be enforced by all Hindus on all Hindus (like the N/D/Lakota did with their War Declaration against the selling of their religion to aliens):
1. say no to anyone alien and don't let them anywhere near our Hindoo religion and any part of Hindoodom. That is, no dabbling of any type. Should have kept Hindoo religion private=secret like traditional Taoists do.
2. do not make Hindoo stuffs (Skt, Yoga to now Bharatanatyam and Carnatic music, etc) into "all-Indian" stuff, thus teaching and arming India's christoislamics - as it armed Buddhists etc in the past - who can and *will* use it all against Hindu religion. In other words: don't teach non-Hindu Indians anything Hindoo. (And with no apologies: Skt too is Hindoo onlee, *not* "equally" Buddhist/Jain/whatever just because they eventually hypocritically encroached on it - exactly like christianism is starting to do now, btw).
But Indians will not want to do the 2nd and they will shout you down for even suggesting the first. Love for western people - but not heathen western people, i.e. those minding their own ancestral religion instead of dabbling in Hindu religion/new ageism - seems to be the defining quality of modern "Hindus".
India is unfortunately witnessing the fruits of the mess it started.
Pity that the Shringeri Matham is infiltrated by a KKKangressi (crypto?) CEO who is opening the floodgates to more subversion and de-heathenisation to come.
A pity also that Swarup and Goel are gone. They had some sense and insight - and were not badmouthers of heathenism (or its traditional acharyas) and could have remedied all this easily.
Don't know why Malhotra is calling Indians "fools" or something. Lots of Indians saw through the appropriation and inculturation years back. Even I did. (Though - being slow - I only realised more recently that Hindu religion has been a victim of inculturation since Jainism/Buddhism.)
I seem to be unique however - though I can't fathom why - in having objected (ever since I first noticed) to aliens dabbling in the vedam, which includes but is not limited to the modern trend of Hindus inducting aliens into the vedam, since aliens have been dabbling in it independent of tutoring too. And I've slowly changed over to objecting to initiating aliens into anything Hindu, or approving any dabbling. Ancient Hindus would not have allowed this**, despite Elst insisting they must (using his Argumentum Ad Oryanism - which has turned into the greatest excuse).
Have as yet Never But Never heard any Hindus complain about the alien "pure vedicist" types. And yet these last are really beyond any Hindus' worst nightmare. They are doing the Other replacement (a.o.t. replacement theology, which is done by missionary religions): pure vedicists try to take over Hindoo religion and replace you=Hindoos.
** Think deeply: would ancient Hindoos have allowed the christo-conditioned world any access at all, defined as the latter is by being bred by christianism as the desired replacement population upon christianism's genocide of Europe's native heathens. The very definition of mlecchas. Europeans are now essentially the product of convertibles and subvertibles alone: the insubvertibles were genocided/extincted long ago by the ancestors of the remaining Europeans. And the only Europeans who have yet managed to find their way back, find it back to their own *ancestral* heathenism/Gods, *never* to others' ethnic heathenisms.
Anyway, the whole need to subsume the traditional mathas is to force them/subsume their views into the sphere of oryanism, else there would continue to exist Hindoo traditions not infiltrated and which have a life and views independent of oryanism. Subverting mainstream/modern "Hindus" is not enough if the west wants total control and total hijacking of Hindoo stuffs for themselves. They need to subvert traditional transmission among Hindoo authorities that are/have been immune to oryanism thus far. As usual, time will tell how it will all play out.
In other news, seen at the rajeev2004 blog's twitter feed:
+ https :// twitter.com/trackevangelism/status/555972222951518209/photo/1
Quote:Tracking Evangelism ââ¬Â@trackevangelism(NGOs like ANHAD/Shabnam Hashmi etc, see image at twitter link.)
In 2011-2012, @googleindia donated 4.6 crs to Action Aid which funds political NGOs & churches http :// fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=231661299R&by=2011-2012
Hindoos should have collectively banned alien companies, startups and orgs in India. There is no way to make laws banning alien orgs from supporting churches etc. Hindus let in a trojan horse and now have to wait for the inevitable consequences to lead to the inevitable conclusions.
Next the same angelsk-speaking types will complain about the "incompetence" and "unsophistication" of the VHP/RSS in reconverting Hindus, despite the same angelsk-speaking types having supported and worked for the very organisations like Google India etc that have been facilitating conversions and christianisation of India and jihad (ANHAD).
It's too much too ask that angelsk-speaking vocalists do some reconversion activities themselves, but could they at least not have been/be *part* of the problem. And then they sneer at the "paltry" numbers of reverts that VHP brings home and the "crude fanfare" with which this is allegedly conducted. <- Sort of a summary for angelsk-speaking/modern Hindu nationalists.
+ Leela Samson suddenly retires with a lame excuse. But Rajeev Srinivasan supplies a highly likely reason.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Censor-Board-chief-quits-to-protest-MSG-clearance/articleshow/45904506.cms
Quote:rajeev srinivasan ââ¬Â@RajeevSrinivasa Jan 15
"#LeelaSamson resigns as Chairperson of Central Board of Film Certification, #CBFC pic.twitter.com/t9S2WdZ1y5" hope the bigot was fired
0 replies 26 retweets 11 favorites
rajeev srinivasan @RajeevSrinivasa - Jan 15
no, leela's cover is blown, they will now dump the Vatican plant @shoksing @MrsGandhi @timesofindia
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+ dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2911990/PIERS-MORGAN-did-turning-cheek-turn-punching-face-Pope-Francis-does-mean-s-OK-shoot-too.html
Pope Francis has sided with the jihadis who attacked the Charlie Hebdo magazine, threatening that insults to "faith" are provocation to a violence that is deserved. Hey, if those are the rules, then fine by me: being a rowdy by nature, this is what I'm good at.
There is of course a threat to Hindus that's couched in Francis' message: the pope's statements are commandments to the faithful, and he is their rolemodel, his words leading by example. Whether European catholics still go by papal infallibility or not, Indian catholics do. So they are now going to go into physical assault mode, just like islamaniacs always do, if Hindus were to reveal any unsavory truth about christianism.
+ Another tweet:
Quote:rajeev srinivasan ââ¬Â@RajeevSrinivasa
Deeply anti Hindu wearing biggest bindis like Samson, brinda karat. Many rolââ¢â¬in kerala too. Hindu ââ¢â¬told to drop it. #Digestion of #bindi
Secular Indian ââ¬Â@secular786 23h23 hours ago
.@RajeevSrinivasa Missionaries deny bindi to Hindu kids in convent schools while they digest Hindu symbols & culture!
It's not digestion. It's appropriation for Replacement. And like the commenter at HK had said: inculturation is the first step and re-interpretation (to give it
a newfangled "christian" meaning) is the second step.
And when the ever growing number of progressive/modern "Hindus" have dropped it - as already discussed about Skt and carnatic music etc - christians will declare they're the ones who "saved/preserved" Indian culture suddenly dubbed "therefore christian".
Hindus faced Buddhist and Jain inculturation and re-interpretation in the past. Hindus lost a lot then, by (ill-advisedly) abandoning core Hindoo matters because of such Buddhist/Jain appropriation. E.g. Buddhist inculturation then appropriation of Indran and Brahma. (The beginnings are already seen in Silappadikaaram, when Indran for instance was still immensely important to and adored by Hindus - no less than Shiva and Vishnu - but when Buddhism etc had already started its inculturation routine on Indra.) Now Buddhism in E Asia etc claims that "unlike in Hinduism, Indra is still important in Buddhism". But they only ever had the Bauddhified *clones* of Indra and Brahma, i.e. fakes. And HindOOs never actually fully abandoned Indra etc, and even otherwise, other religions and entities - Indic or no - can Not inherit any part of Hindoo religion "by default". (Also Buddhism admits that its "Shakra" is a clone with a newly-minted distinct identity, and is specifically not the same as Vedic Indra despite having stolen his names and several of his features, see wackypedia references copied into IF on this.)
There, I said it.
On a smaller scale, such enforced Hindu amputation as a response to missionary inculturation/appropriation/subversion was already seen in the famous example of Hindoos dropping the padmam from Dakshinamoorty's hand after Buddhism had tried to inculturate on him via their Padmapani invention. Many such examples. But the strange late-Hindu apparent neglect of Indra and Brahma is famous, as is the fact that this change-over is conveniently regarded a "mystery". Note: the Hindu sect devoted to Brahma - comparable to Vaishnavas and Shaivas - was still attested in 4th century BCE or CE (can't remember, IIRC the former). But then...
Anyway. The history of Hindoo religion's face off against older missionary=inculturating religions shows that Hindu religion didn't entirely emerge unscathed. (And today the very class of vocalists warning against inculturation and appropriation by christianism like to pretend that all Hindoo things appropriated by Jainism/Buddhism belong "equally" to Jainism/Buddhism - presumably because these had stolen these Hindoo things long ago. Yet it is all the same missionary tactic.) So Hindoos need to learn from their own history. No losses of heathenism are minor.
Therefore Hindus must avoid dropping any aspect of Hindoo religion: not bindi, not veebooti or namam, not chandanam, not saree, not the prescribed items of jewellery, not thali, not flowers in the hair, not local dance forms and local Hindoo musical forms (singing to instruments and congregations), not our martial arts, not our siddha medicine or ayurveda (which Buddhists and Jains inculturated on too, so that it has suddenly become "all-Indian" - as per modern Hindus - never mind that ayurveda is the upaveda of IIRC the Rig Vedam), not ter/ratha yatras and utsavams (both inculturated upon by christianism since the colonial era), not melas, not our specific teerthas, not temple design, moorti design, temple elephants, go pooja (not inculturated upon yet by christianism), not vegetarianism, not stotras and mantras or forms of stotras and mantras, not the various rites of life like annaprashnam and vidyarambam, not bhakti (even today, Buddhism and Jainism laughably keep attempting to inculturate on bhakti by claiming to have invented it), etc. Not *anything* Hindoo.
Jainism and Buddhism are still at it too, e.g. trying to divorce Tirukkural and Tiruvalluvar from Hindoo religion, so that some modern Tamil Hindoos treat it as a suddenly secular/unaffiliated or Jain text and don't take these as seriously as Hindoos used to take it.
There's also the de-deifying of Hindu Gods and the de-sacralising of them, but this is done even by "Hindus" who then even object to Hindoos retaining their traditional views on such matters.