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Oh look, that's exactly what Buddhism (and Jainism too) pulled on the Vedic=Hindoo Gods. (Actually Buddhism also pulled it on Taoist Gods and Goddesses and Shinto ones. It even tried it on Greek Gods in Hellenised parts of Afghanistan. For instance, Buddhism turned Hercules the son of Zeus into a Bodhisattva fraud.)
Then enough time passed and Buddhism tried to encroach on Hindoo temples via its inculturation on Hindoo Gods. (E.g. the Avalokiteshwara fraud I mean fiction.) And it encroached on Taoist temples via the Buddhist inculturation on Taoist Gods (e.g. the Avalokiteshwara fiction again) etc.
Still more time passed, and today's Bauddhified "Hindus" (i.e. "Hindus" in love with Buddhism and who know more about Buddhism's inculturating fictions, including especially the recently-invented ones, than about Hindoo religion and Gods, they're that far gone) start believing in the Buddhist inculturation on Hindoo Gods and speaking of "syncretism/composite culture", that it must be equally Buddha/Bodhisattva and equally a Hindu God, and that this is "authentic", that Buddhism should have equal claims on the Hindoo Gods. And tomorrow the same types of ignorant Bauddhified will start claiming the "legitimacy" of Buddhist encroachment on Hindoo temples in TN. Tamil Hindoos should tell Bauddhified "hindoos" from other parts of the subcontinent to Stay Away (or else).
Anyway, the point of the above is to remark that the same process, given enough time, will happen with the jeebus inculturations on Hindoo Gods too.
Having inculturated on Vishnu by turning jeebus blue and giving him a shankha and chakra, and by presenting jeebus in the pose of Krishna in the Gita with the chariot and 4 horses,
in time, the evil jeebus-demons will - like their ancient Buddhist counterparts did with Vishnu, Shiva etc - start encroaching on Vishnu temples and declare that this is "actually jeebus" and hence "belongs to christianism" and "isn't a Hindoo temple but a christian church".
Later still, they will argue that "therefore, the people worshipping at these 'temples' were 'originally, actually' followers of Jainism I mean Buddhism I mean christianism, who were duped by the Vedic swindle/brahmanism into thinking these were Hindoo temples to the Hindoo=Vedic Gods instead".
That is EXACTLY what Buddhism and Jainism have done w.r.t. their missionary literature claiming Hindoo temples and their moorties.
And that is exactly what christianism will do. Hindoos do not seem to know this part of their history. But they would be wise to learn from it and be prepared for it.
Who says christianism is unlike the Indic religions? In behaviour and methodology, it is very like the Indic missionary religions/replacement theologies that sought to replace Hindoo heathenism aka Vedic religion aka Sanatana Dharma.
And just like Buddhism and Jainism consciously attempted to look more and more Hindoo by inculturating on Hindoo heathenism, so too christianism is starting to look more and more Hindoo by inculturating on Hindoo heathenism.
Doesn't mean that any of these missionary religions are actually related to the religion of the Hindoo Gods: just 'cause they look outwardly increasingly similar to Hindoos' heathenism, doesn't mean they're *actually* similar.
The minute jeebusites start referring to the word "dharma" (maybe they will encroach on it as theirs, the way Buddhism and Jainism did), Hindus will be forced to refer to it as a Dharmic religion. (And for the same reasons: inculturation on outward forms and terminology given twisted I mean re-interpreted meanings.) And then, christianism will also become as equally related to Vedic religion as Buddhism, Jainism etc are, so that "Hindu" "nationalists"/vocalists who've so often been seen claiming that Hindoos' heathenism = Buddhism = Jainism may start adding christianism to that running equivalence.
It is all the same (stupidity) after all. Now's not the time to start developing some powers of discrimination, so late. And let's not be partial either: let's not discriminate against christianism. No one wants to discover they're a hypocrite, after all.
This tendency to equalise is going to become a lodestone around modern Hindus' necks and all because they couldn't distinguish their own ancestral religion - where it begins and ends - from the other, later, inculturating Indic religions. <- It's actually Not all "the same" or "similar" to Hindoos' Vedic religion. Well, no more similar than christianism is to Hindoos' heathenism.
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Sikhism got rewritten from a very late movement within Hindoo religion to an unrelated new religion.
Its central deity too got rewritten from a familiar and popular Hindoo God to a novel one.
Not my problem. But then they should stick to their choice, and not claim ANYTHING Hindoo thereafter, e.g. Rama or Vedam or the history of Vaidika Hindoos at sapta sindhu. (It ceases to be their ancestry. Sikhism's history and hence Sikhs' history can then start at Sikhism.) No pretending that OMkaaram was anything other than borrowed (or inculturated or stolen, as you will) from Hindoos' heathenism. Nor pretending that the OMkaara refers to anyone or anything OTHER than the Hindoo Gods alone. And NO encroaching on any part of Hindoo cosmology.
Can't have the cake and eat it, after all. Nor is it allowed.
After all, split-ups are a two-way event. And Hindoos won't be the poorer for any part of it. Not to mention that any historical persons who identified themselves as Hindu - and/or especially if they worshipped or invoked named Vedic Gods - belong to Hindoo religion still.
People are free to deny their derivation from Vedic religion. But they can't leave with any remnant of Hindoo heathenism in their religion after that. Anything less is hypocrisy.
I have learnt from other Indic religions - which are always missionary and always poaching on Hindoos and Hindoo religion. And having at last understood the reality of the matter, have no intention of rolling over ever again. Hindoo heathenism is always losing people to nouveau religions, with an attitude that they "still belong to it", but often the nouveau religions become cemented as separate and they start poaching and missionising or drawing contrastive relationships and denying associations (and hence denying their borrowings and encroachment on Hindoo stuffs) at which point it should be clear to all - as it is even to me - that they are no longer members of Hindoos' heathenism but of their own spin-off show, and which has essentially run off with once-were-heathens by gradually brainwashing them into what became independent religions. In other words: the Vedic religion of the Hindoos has only ever lost people and never regained them all.
So am ready for Hindoos to compete too in what all the others have been regarding as a competition/missionary enterprise: to be as willing to allow reverts back to the ancestral heathenism as they are to acquire converts into their novel replacement religions. Therefore: all Indics (and those in once-Hindu SE Asia and Himalayan regions etc) are always welcome to return to their ancestral Vedic religion=Hindoo heathenism, but are not allowed to adhere to more than one Indic religion/ideology at the same time (at least, not allowed to be in Vedic religion AND some other religion, Indic or foreign. Because that last is how the poaching on Vedic religion - and transfer to the novel replacement religions - starts.)
mediacrooks.com/2015/04/church-crimes-2-declining-faith.html
Oh look, that's exactly what Buddhism (and Jainism too) pulled on the Vedic=Hindoo Gods. (Actually Buddhism also pulled it on Taoist Gods and Goddesses and Shinto ones. It even tried it on Greek Gods in Hellenised parts of Afghanistan. For instance, Buddhism turned Hercules the son of Zeus into a Bodhisattva fraud.)
Then enough time passed and Buddhism tried to encroach on Hindoo temples via its inculturation on Hindoo Gods. (E.g. the Avalokiteshwara fraud I mean fiction.) And it encroached on Taoist temples via the Buddhist inculturation on Taoist Gods (e.g. the Avalokiteshwara fiction again) etc.
Still more time passed, and today's Bauddhified "Hindus" (i.e. "Hindus" in love with Buddhism and who know more about Buddhism's inculturating fictions, including especially the recently-invented ones, than about Hindoo religion and Gods, they're that far gone) start believing in the Buddhist inculturation on Hindoo Gods and speaking of "syncretism/composite culture", that it must be equally Buddha/Bodhisattva and equally a Hindu God, and that this is "authentic", that Buddhism should have equal claims on the Hindoo Gods. And tomorrow the same types of ignorant Bauddhified will start claiming the "legitimacy" of Buddhist encroachment on Hindoo temples in TN. Tamil Hindoos should tell Bauddhified "hindoos" from other parts of the subcontinent to Stay Away (or else).
Anyway, the point of the above is to remark that the same process, given enough time, will happen with the jeebus inculturations on Hindoo Gods too.
Having inculturated on Vishnu by turning jeebus blue and giving him a shankha and chakra, and by presenting jeebus in the pose of Krishna in the Gita with the chariot and 4 horses,
in time, the evil jeebus-demons will - like their ancient Buddhist counterparts did with Vishnu, Shiva etc - start encroaching on Vishnu temples and declare that this is "actually jeebus" and hence "belongs to christianism" and "isn't a Hindoo temple but a christian church".
Later still, they will argue that "therefore, the people worshipping at these 'temples' were 'originally, actually' followers of Jainism I mean Buddhism I mean christianism, who were duped by the Vedic swindle/brahmanism into thinking these were Hindoo temples to the Hindoo=Vedic Gods instead".
That is EXACTLY what Buddhism and Jainism have done w.r.t. their missionary literature claiming Hindoo temples and their moorties.
And that is exactly what christianism will do. Hindoos do not seem to know this part of their history. But they would be wise to learn from it and be prepared for it.
Who says christianism is unlike the Indic religions? In behaviour and methodology, it is very like the Indic missionary religions/replacement theologies that sought to replace Hindoo heathenism aka Vedic religion aka Sanatana Dharma.
And just like Buddhism and Jainism consciously attempted to look more and more Hindoo by inculturating on Hindoo heathenism, so too christianism is starting to look more and more Hindoo by inculturating on Hindoo heathenism.
Doesn't mean that any of these missionary religions are actually related to the religion of the Hindoo Gods: just 'cause they look outwardly increasingly similar to Hindoos' heathenism, doesn't mean they're *actually* similar.
The minute jeebusites start referring to the word "dharma" (maybe they will encroach on it as theirs, the way Buddhism and Jainism did), Hindus will be forced to refer to it as a Dharmic religion. (And for the same reasons: inculturation on outward forms and terminology given twisted I mean re-interpreted meanings.) And then, christianism will also become as equally related to Vedic religion as Buddhism, Jainism etc are, so that "Hindu" "nationalists"/vocalists who've so often been seen claiming that Hindoos' heathenism = Buddhism = Jainism may start adding christianism to that running equivalence.
It is all the same (stupidity) after all. Now's not the time to start developing some powers of discrimination, so late. And let's not be partial either: let's not discriminate against christianism. No one wants to discover they're a hypocrite, after all.
This tendency to equalise is going to become a lodestone around modern Hindus' necks and all because they couldn't distinguish their own ancestral religion - where it begins and ends - from the other, later, inculturating Indic religions. <- It's actually Not all "the same" or "similar" to Hindoos' Vedic religion. Well, no more similar than christianism is to Hindoos' heathenism.
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Quote: Gautam Sharma April 08, 2015 11:20 PM
Sir,I apologize as my comment is not related to the above post.I just wanted to support your series of tweets about Sikhs killing Hindus during Punjab terrorism.You are absolutely right about what you said and I believe that Hindus have unfairly supported the myth of Sikhs as saviors of Hindus when history (eg Sikh betrayal during 1857 etc ) has shown that it is far from true.I live in Punjab and am suffocated by the pusillanimity of Hindu attitude towards Sikhs.Hindus face attack from all quarters and it is high time we join hands in crushing these threats.Sikhs believe British rule to be a fulfillment of some of their Guru's prophecy which got them material wealth as reward for betraying their motherland,this fact is not known among Hindus who falsely believe relative Sikh prosperity to be a result of some make believe 'hard work gene' which is apparently absent in the rest of non Sikh Punjabis.This coupled with the anti national asylum seeking trend among Sikhs got them money outside India at the expense of Indian foreign policy in international forums.Even today,Sikhs make great effort to distance their religion and way of life further from Hinduism and closer to Islam in more ways than one and dont even have the decency to accept that Nirguna Godhead philosophy at the center of Sikh religion comes directly from Hinduism and claim it to be thought by their founder on his own.
(No different from the claim on the OMkaaram as referring to anything other than Hindoo Gods/Vedic Supreme Ultimate, or as being novel and original in Sikhism etc, rather than totally and obviously derived/copied from Vedic religion.)
kaps April 09, 2015 4:04 PM
@Gautam Sharma
I Partly disagree with you as me too from Punjab. What u said is true and this kind of mentality in Sikhs is of recent origin ie from Last few decades only.. All Gurus preached sacrifice, humanity and welfare of others ie the basic core of Indie religions like Hinduism,Buddhism,Jainism only. Sikhs are assertive in nature so there is tendency on their part to dominate.. In Hindus we are not bound by any Particular ritual and in the absence of any Identity based ritual , Hindus are too easily swayed by Assertive sikhs. And to compound the matter, Hindu as a religion is talked down upon fashionably in our country until now. While Muslim, Christianity has problems at its core ,it is not with Sikhism.. Guru Nanak I think was Born as Hindu only..
Sikhism got rewritten from a very late movement within Hindoo religion to an unrelated new religion.
Its central deity too got rewritten from a familiar and popular Hindoo God to a novel one.
Not my problem. But then they should stick to their choice, and not claim ANYTHING Hindoo thereafter, e.g. Rama or Vedam or the history of Vaidika Hindoos at sapta sindhu. (It ceases to be their ancestry. Sikhism's history and hence Sikhs' history can then start at Sikhism.) No pretending that OMkaaram was anything other than borrowed (or inculturated or stolen, as you will) from Hindoos' heathenism. Nor pretending that the OMkaara refers to anyone or anything OTHER than the Hindoo Gods alone. And NO encroaching on any part of Hindoo cosmology.
Can't have the cake and eat it, after all. Nor is it allowed.
After all, split-ups are a two-way event. And Hindoos won't be the poorer for any part of it. Not to mention that any historical persons who identified themselves as Hindu - and/or especially if they worshipped or invoked named Vedic Gods - belong to Hindoo religion still.
People are free to deny their derivation from Vedic religion. But they can't leave with any remnant of Hindoo heathenism in their religion after that. Anything less is hypocrisy.
I have learnt from other Indic religions - which are always missionary and always poaching on Hindoos and Hindoo religion. And having at last understood the reality of the matter, have no intention of rolling over ever again. Hindoo heathenism is always losing people to nouveau religions, with an attitude that they "still belong to it", but often the nouveau religions become cemented as separate and they start poaching and missionising or drawing contrastive relationships and denying associations (and hence denying their borrowings and encroachment on Hindoo stuffs) at which point it should be clear to all - as it is even to me - that they are no longer members of Hindoos' heathenism but of their own spin-off show, and which has essentially run off with once-were-heathens by gradually brainwashing them into what became independent religions. In other words: the Vedic religion of the Hindoos has only ever lost people and never regained them all.
So am ready for Hindoos to compete too in what all the others have been regarding as a competition/missionary enterprise: to be as willing to allow reverts back to the ancestral heathenism as they are to acquire converts into their novel replacement religions. Therefore: all Indics (and those in once-Hindu SE Asia and Himalayan regions etc) are always welcome to return to their ancestral Vedic religion=Hindoo heathenism, but are not allowed to adhere to more than one Indic religion/ideology at the same time (at least, not allowed to be in Vedic religion AND some other religion, Indic or foreign. Because that last is how the poaching on Vedic religion - and transfer to the novel replacement religions - starts.)