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Two interesting items.

There are western men going all the way to the Levant to fight IS, as well as western men going to the Levant to fight for IS/overall jihad (and Somalian islamics Al-Shabaab have accused and executed some of these as being spies of the west, while jihadi john was wooed by MI5 and others were western intelligence plants).





The question that others already asked themselves and answered - but I was too slow - is how much of the fight of IS vs Opponents* is actually western plants vs western plants. Stoking both sides. (* Not counting the Yezidis fighting the IS or the increasing number middle-eastern christians fighting for the IS. That last is a natural occurrence, same as how many palestinian christians fight in the palestinian jihad against Israel.)



The reasoning seems to be that the west is trying to lure Iran into the fray: doubly apparent with the start of the Pak-Saudi collaboration in the Sunni attacks on Shia in Yemen, after the attacks on Shia in Iraq didn't invite sufficient Iranian response. Like the attacks on Shiites in Iraq, the attack on Shia in Yemen is meant to provoke Iran to enter WWIII (you know, the way many Euro countries were deliberately provoked to enter WWI), and everyone else - Yemen, Iraq - is just the bait/collateral damage.

Iran seems to wisely see through the western overtures. Wonder if Iranian advisors have read the crucial paragraph in McMoneagle? (Actually, have any Indians?)





1. msn.com/en-gb/news/other/british-man-fighting-islamic-state-id-be-a-fool-if-i-wasnt-nervous/ar-AAb8QHY

British man fighting Islamic State: 'I'd be a fool if I wasn't nervous'

The Telegraph

By Harriet Alexander

2 day agos



© Associated Press



A British man fighting against Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) has told of the surges of joy and fear he has felt during the past four months of combat, as he prepares to launch an audacious assault on the jihadists in Syria .



Macer Gifford, a 28-year-old from Oxford, is one of a number of Kurdish fighters positioned on the outskirts of an Isil-held village in northern Syria, awaiting the order to attack.



"It could come any minute - we know it is imminent," said Mr Gifford, who had no prior military experience beyond the odd day with the Territorial Army.



"Previously we've been asleep when the orders have come. Sometimes we are cooking, and have to throw everything down and go immediately into battle.



"Actually, it's quite stressful."



Neither a Kurd, nor a Muslim, nor speaking any Middle Eastern languages, Mr Gifford travelled to Kurdish territory at the end of December.



A public school-educated former Tory councillor, Mr Gifford was preparing to take up a lucrative job in the City when he decided to trade in his comfortable existence for the battlefields of the Middle East.



"I was sitting at my desk and watching it all with increasing horror," he said. "Islamic State is a barbaric, vile organisation. I wanted to help, and thought for a while about working with a charity, but this seemed the best for me."



Mr Gifford said he resents the description of himself as a mercenary, explaining: "I'm not here for money or fame - I'm not being paid."



But he said his motivation - and that of the other foreign fighters with him - was to defend democracy.



"I have always believed very strongly in that," he said. "It's totally wrong to see this as a Christian versus Muslim conflict - I'm an atheist, as are many Kurds, and there are Christians, Muslims, Yazidis, all sorts here.



© Getty "There are lots of other foreigners, although Britons are the largest group. Most are former soldiers, although some have just come for their ideals. It's a really good atmosphere."



Mr Gifford likened it to the crowds of idealists who signed up for the Spanish Civil War.



So far an estimated few dozen Westerners have joined Kurdish fighters battling Isil in northern Syria, including Americans, Canadians, Germans, and Britons.



The Syrian Kurdish armed faction known as the YPG has not released official numbers confirming foreign soldiers, and academics say it's hard to assess the total.



But the number pales compared to an estimated 16,000 fighters from about 90 countries who have joined Isil since 2012, according to the US Department of State figures.



For his first month with the YPG, Mr Gifford said he received training - much of it carried out by former members of the French Foreign Legion or Army Rangers.



His band of foreign recruits was assigned a translator - although he said he was beginning to pick up some Kurmanji, a dialect spoken by the Kurds.



"Just stuff like 'get down' or 'move forwards,'" he said. "Soldiering is a fairly simple game."



His first experience of conflict was part of a Kurdish operation to reclaim territory around Tal Hamis, in north east Syria.



"The first time I was shot at, I wasn't really frightened - I just remember thinking that we had to win," he said.



But it was during that battle to take Tal Hamis, at the end of February, that Mr Gifford's Australian friend Ashley Johnston, 28, was killed .



"We've all thought long and hard about coming here," he said. "You weigh the risks up. We are fighting for our beliefs."



Even if that kills you?



He paused.



"I am trying to avoid talking about dying, because it would upset my family. What I would say is that we all have strong beliefs and values."

(Speaks like a christian rather than the atheist he alleges himself to be. Haven't heard many atheists refer to "beliefs and values", but have heard evangelicals do so.)



His parents, he admitted, "would rather I was at home."



But he recalled his joy at seeing villages liberated from Isil, where residents would come out in celebration.



"It was scenes I did not expect. Women were taking off their burkas, running into the streets, and children would make the V for victory sign.



"People hate the Islamic State."



There were no reprisals?



"Absolutely not - 100 per cent," he said. "There's been no looting, or defacing of buildings. The YPG are liberators, not people seeking revenge."



He claimed that so genuine were the soldiers they would even send the bodies of Isil fighters back in coffins - many of them, he said, carried Turkish passports. Isil prisoners were taken to jail.



What does he think of those - including hundreds of Britons - who have joined Isil?



"They are absolutely crazy," he said. "And they know what they are getting in to. Isil murders people like humanitarian workers or journalists. They are barbaric. Anyone who joins Isil deserves to be in prison or a mental hospital."



And in the past few months, Kurdish forces have sliced through a swathe of northern Syria, thanks to air support from coalition forces. They were now, he said, edging towards Isil heartlands, and resistance was getting tougher.



For the past month Mr Gifford has been camped in the Rojava region, preparing for the order to attack Isil.



"I'd be a fool if I wasn't nervous," he said. "But I'm here to do a job. If you constantly think about worst case scenarios, then you get crippled. I'm ready for it."



But surely he must realise how much Isil would like to get their hands on him?



"I'm surrounded by 200 heavily-armed Kurds," he replied with a laugh. "I'm probably safer here than in London."



The one thing on Mr Gifford's mind, he said, was what happens next.



"I know we're going to take Rojava. But then what?"



He and his fighters want to carry on all the way to Isil's de facto capital, Raqqa . If there was progress, Mr Gifford said he would fight with his Kurdish comrades all the way. If not, he said he may return to the UK "and have a hot bath".



David Cameron, he said, must act.



"I feel really strongly that the British government must get on the side of the Kurds. We don't want boots on the ground here - that is not the answer. But we need political support, and equipment too.

(Equipment is also a request for weapons. Not just "other stuff".

Nikkei Asian Review IIRC had an American article - i.e. by AmriKKKans - on how great the current war-torn situation of Africa and the Middle-East was for American weapons manufacturers and how they were tailoring schemes [for both sides of each conflict]. AmriKKKa/christowest always comes out winning no matter who gets genocided. They can turn a buck out of everyone's misery.)



"I know that Britain doesn't want to support the Kurds because of Turkish pressure. But we shouldn't worry about what the Turks think - we should support the Kurds, because it is the right thing to do.



(Imagine what would happen if Hindoos said something like: "Indian seculars won't support Hindoos in christoislamicly terrorised areas of India because of western pressure. But we shouldn't care what seculars/west thinks, all Hindoos should support the Hindoos living on the edge of christoislamic barbarism - i.e. by fighting with them against the christoislamic jihad, as the Brit Gifford above says about his fighting with the kurds - because it is the right thing to do."

Should work both ways, right?

But what would happen is that every christoislamic and psecular and secular in India - not to mention all of the christowest - will breathe down Hindoos' necks for daring to lift a finger against the ongoing genocide of Hindoos by the 'poor innocent' genocidal christoislamaniacs.)



"Who else will take the fight to Isil?"

Intriguing how the many westerners who have joined the fight against genocial monotheism active in the Levant at present (aka IS) - and the MANY western comments supporting the choice and resolution of all these - will nevertheless be diametrically opposed to Hindoos fighting the genocidal monotheism active in India (aka christoislamania). Hindoos may not fight back: they have only the right to die by christoislamaniac aggression.

(Kurds are very fortunate that the west hasn't decided that they should be entirely liquidated. For now the west thinks their existence and their fight against islamania serves the west's purpose.)



Further proof that one set of laws apply for the monotheists/christowest and another for heathens is surely not required.

But Hindoos now know that they have at least as much right to stop being complacent, passive and pacifist, and should fight christoislamania=terrorism in India - to the end, just as the Kurds are doing, suddenly joined by western helpers (determined to convince others of their "righteousness").



Any Indian who think that Kurds have a right to fight off their aggressors and liberate their lands from IS should stop being a hypocrite and agree that Hindoos have at least as much right to fight off christoislamania=terrorism in India once and for all. It is the SAME jihadi monotheism after all, except IS style genocide and ethnic cleansing has been going on continuously for longer in India, recently seen in Kashmir to NE to W Bengal to Kerala to Muzaffarnagar (UP?) and beginnings of the same in Hyderabad and rustling in Telangana. Everywhere in India, really.



If the west think Kurds may bring down/kick away IS - with or without western help - then Hindoos have every right to bring down/kick away christoislamania from India.

It is the same thing. The *same* existential threat.





2. independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/jihadi-john-isis-executioner-mohammed-emwazi-wanted-to-wage-jihad-in-somalia-until-his-friends-were-betrayed-and-killed-by-alshabaab-10190837.html

'Jihadi John': Isis executioner Mohammed Emwazi wanted to wage jihad in Somalia until his friends were betrayed and killed by al-Shabaab



Londoner Mohammed Emwazi was diverted from his chosen path for jihad after hearing of the treatment of his friends from the 'London Boys' group at the hands of al-Shabaab. Kim Sengupta speaks to an acquaintance of the notorious terrorist in Gaziantep, Turkey

Kim Sengupta Author Biography

(Kim Sengupta - Indian christist? They seem to be *highly* active in British media too. Indian christomedia and their low standards infecting everyone.)



Tuesday 21 April 2015



Mohammed Emwazi, the Isis recruit from Britain now notorious as the savage executioner "Jihadi John", gave up an earlier plan to join al-Shabaab in Somalia when a succession of friends were killed amid accusations of deceit and betrayal within the organisation.



The Londoner turned from his first choice for jihad because he feared for his own life too if he joined the group that controls a swathe of Somalia and has brought carnage across East Africa.



Mohammed Emwazi had wanted to join the hardline Islamist insurgent group al-Shabaab, the group that controls a swathe of Somalia and has brought carnage across East Africa (Reuters)



The extraordinary account of how he diverted from his preferred battleground in the Horn of Africa to become the masked murderer of Isis hostages came from a man who met him soon after his arrival in northern Syria, having apparently hoodwinked British security agencies to make his journey.



"He told me that if he had gone to Somalia he himself could well have been killed," Ayman, who worked for Isis but denies ever being a member, told The Independent.



Timeline: The emergence of Isis



"It was strange - we were in the middle of a war and he wanted to talk about another war. Mohammed was obsessed with al-Shabaab, he was angry about what had happened in Africa: some of his friends have been killed, some sent to prison and he thought they had been betrayed."



The foreign casualties in Somalia included Bilal al-Berjawi and Mohamed Sakr, members of a close-knit circle to which Emwazi belonged while growing up in north-west London. The three men knew Habib Ghani, the partner of Samantha Lewthwaite, the so-called "White Widow" of one of the 7/7 London bombers, along with Omar Hammami, an American jihadist. Emwazi was also an associate of Ali Adorus, now in prison in Ethiopia, whose family still lives in north London.



The men's deaths were accompanied by claims in Islamist circles of vicious internal strife within al-Shabaab, with enemies being eliminated in collusion with Western intelligence services.



The so-called "London Boys" raised funds and disseminated propaganda for al-Shabaab; six of them underwent military training in Somalia as early as 2006. One of them was involved with a cell which attempted to carry out bombings in London in 2005, two weeks before the suicide bombing by Lewthwaite's husband, Germaine Lindsay.



Emwazi had repeatedly claimed he was being hounded by MI5, which he said was trying to recruit him, after a thwarted attempt to reach Somalia alongside Adorus, a former security guard, five years ago. He had become convinced that al-Shabaab had been infiltrated by Western intelligence agencies.



[Photo caption:] The American journalist Steven Sotloff was among Emwazi's victims (EPA)



"He told me that he tried to warn some of them, but it was too late," recalled Ayman, a 29-year-old Syrian who asked that only his first name be used. "His view was that if they [the intelligence agencies] could not prevent people from going to Somalia, they had them killed there instead. He was full of suspicion about spies. It was his ambition to go to help al-Shabaab, but he couldn't, so he was frustrated."



READ MORE: Emwazi 'considered suicide to escape MI5 spies'

Emwazi the student and devout teenage Muslim

Al-Shabaab is facing a bloody crisis of its own



Sitting at a café in a town across the Turkish border, Ayman described his encounter with Emwazi at Manbij in northern Syria. They met in spring last year just after Isis had taken over the town from Jabhat al-Nusra, an al-Qaeda affiliate, in the first stages of a vicious struggle between the two hardline groups - both of which were fighting the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad.



Ayman, a slim man with restless eyes, insisted that he just carried out "some office jobs" in Manbij while al-Nusra and Isis took control and was never a member of either group. He fled to Turkey, he said, as soon as he could after ensuring that his family got to safety. "We had to work, otherwise Nusra and Daesh (Isis) would accuse us of being sympathetic to Bashar."



The Quintin Kynaston Academy where Islamic State militant Mohammed Emwazi, who has come to be known as Jihadi John, once attended The Quintin Kynaston Academy where Islamic State militant Mohammed Emwazi, who has come to be known as Jihadi John, once attended (Getty)



Ayman could not explain why Emwazi should choose to confide in him. "We knew some people in common. The first time I saw him he was with some foreigners - Chechens, Tunisians, Yemenis - hanging around. I thought he was a Yemeni. It was only after speaking to him that I realised he was from England. I never knew his family name, some called him al-Brittani like the other British here.



"He wasn't a commander, no one famous, and I only remember the conversation because it was an important time in our war, with Daesh (Isis) fighting Nusra. But this man, he wanted to talk about Somalia: it was big on his mind and he was following news from there when he could."



Ayman added: "Mohammed was not seen much in public in Raqaa [Isis 'capital' in Syria]. We heard that he was really trusted by the Daesh leadership, and he was becoming haughty." He said he did not know Emwazi was to be involved in beheading captives. "It was a shock to us all," he said.



Emwazi's known killing spree began in August 2014 with the decapitation of American photojournalist James Foley. This was followed by videos of similar murders of Steven Sotloff, another American journalist; Peter Kassig, a US soldier who had become an aid worker; and David Haines and Alan Henning, British aid workers. Two Japanese hostages, Haruna Yukawa and Kenji Goto, were also killed, as was a group of Syrian soldiers.



Previous testimony gave a brief glimpse of Emwazi's focus on Somalia even after he had joined Isis. A former hostage told The Washington Post newspaper that the man known as "Jihadi John" was obsessed by al-Shabaab and forced captives to watch videos of fighting in Somalia.



Emwazi, Adorus and a German Muslim convert called Marcel Schrödl were sent back to Europe after landing at Dar es Salaam in 2009. Emwazi claimed that an MI5 officer attempted to recruit him at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport on his way back.



READ MORE: Mother of James Foley calls his radicalisation a 'tragedy'

Jihadi John suspect escaped Britain 'by hiding in freight lorry'

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Former "London Boys" Berjawi and Sakr were similarly stopped and deported from Kenya on their way to Somalia at around the same time as Emwazi's travels. They managed to get through in a second attempt later that year. Both were subsequently killed in US drone strikes.



In an attempt to counter claims of a "set-up" over these and other deaths, al-Shabaab produced a captured "informant" who confessed to supplying a foreign intelligence service with the information leading to the air strikes.



Lewthwaite's Pakistani-born partner Ghani and the American Hammami were shot dead in a village 200 miles from Mogadishu in 2013. The killings were supposedly carried out on the orders of Ahmed Abdi Godane, who had become the head of al-Shabaab in an internal coup.



Ayman said very little was known about Emwazi inside Syria. "He just appears in these videos, before that he was a no-one. Perhaps the British should be sorry they did not let him go to Somalia, he would probably be dead by now like his friends," he reflected with a smile.

(Also related to the next post

So there's western 'infiltration' into every main jihadi outfit, from Al-Shabaab to IS. (A la how the US set up the Taliban not to mention Pak's ISI.) Sounds more like they're just entirely western fronts, with brainwashed islamics desperate for their khalifate joining up in the larger western plan for them: a bloodbath to bring Iran down, while also letting the west more fully control the direction of populous islam/western programming of salafist islam as the west's genocidal arm, to bear down - for western interests - on non-compliant heathen civilisations or other non-aligning nations like India, Russia, China. Look how US loves Pakiland: debilitated annihilistic morons that they are, these are the christowest's chosen friends. <- Says everything one wants to know about the west. The US has long been a prime partner in the TSP-US joint jihad of India. A la the Taliban-US/UK joint-jihad of erstwhile Soviet Russia.



Iran is the only major islamic country not aligned with the US that has nuclear weapons: in contrast, Pakistan has nukes - courtesy China and US, not of its own making, just like Paki 'intelligence'/ISI techniques is also borrowed from their betters - but TSP works for US/extension of US interests in the Indian subcontinent, so not a threat to US.



Again, Iran is sensible to stay out of this, though their Shia co-religionists are getting massacred in Yemen and Iraq. (Muslims can care about that, I don't. Then again, Sunnis don't recognise Shia as muslims and have often wanted to genocide them outright. But Shia are not better than Sunnis either, notably vis-a-vis heathens, so I really don't care. Iran's Ayatollahs like Khomeini are shia mullahs - and no less crazy genocidal fiends than their Sunni or Vatican or other christoislamic counterparts.)