The stuff in blockquotes - which is stuff dhu found - are very important. The rest is merely my own usual spam.
Am consciously violating IF member dhu's rights with this post. And not because I dislike him - on the contrary. My sincere apologies to dhu, but I'm doing it anyway. Although, his final statements on this subject were that he was going to post this in public somewhere.
IF member dhu wrote some years back:
Now watch the magic and do not miss the keywords at the bottom of the abstract either.
papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1702492
(Haven't read the article itself, since the abstract gives its usefulness to Hindus away. Plus the article itself, as described, is to be about forging a lineage/a geneology for modern "western" monotheist law tracing to ancient Vedic=Hindoo India's Indus Valley. <- That part is merely the new narrative being manufactured to christo-westernise the inherent OIT assumption in the above.)
From the title itself, can see how the Indus Valley is now suddenly part of the ambit of "western civilisation".
Can see in the above how Indus Valley Civilisation (IVC) has magically become self-evidently "western", whereas when the same kinds speak to Hindoos, they insist AIT is true*, that IVC is specifically not associated with Hindoos' ancient Vedic society, that OIT is naturally untrue. Remember it is via Vedic-anything that the west has laid its claim to India: Vedic-anything is dubbed "Indo-Europeanism" after all. And IVC can only be declared as "western" by the alien demons by claiming that IVC is a Vedic civilisation. So this is another assumption long internalised among the west in their internal dialoguing: when the alien demons speak among themselves, they are past assuming OIT, and that IVC is Vedic (and that the Vedas is much older than 1800 BCE, being at least as old as the IVC's origins). And so far have the alien demons moved on to identifying themselves in all this, that they have - for years now, as seen in the date of the journal article above - readily spoken of their "western" law and even all "western civilisation" originating in the IVC.
And like Dhu noted, they are now trying to tie christianism into the IVC. Backwards in time. (Hmmm, like ur-Shramanism attempted too....)
(* They still insist IE-ism being true of course, else they can't make their grandiose claims: IVC can't become "also western" and "therefore" "actually western" without tying Europe to India, i.e without the "Indo-Europeanism" construct.)
Not that all of the above was entirely beyond Indians to work out, when I think about it. There were already implied admissions. If anyone thought about it a bit, the whole thing about Lithuania and Latvia speaking IE except their relatives in neighbouring Estonia speaking Finno-Ugric should have indicated that at least anything deemed "IE" wasn't a Baltic language at all. After which a lot of other and related things become increasingly more suspect, if not start to domino outright.
[And earlier on, the IE-ist west's moronic nazi ancestors sought their origins in Tibet and Ladakh. Also seen in the Korean writer Lee Sam Dol (sp?) writings on how chillingly the nazis, who were IE-ists, went about randomly delineating "oryan" flora and fauna in Tibet from the "later"-introduced non-oryan ones, which last were scheduled to be extincted along with the native humans upon the eventual nazi expansion into Tibet - and probably the entire subcontinent - for their oryan "lebensraum".]
But there should be a prize for the greatest thieves of all. And the greatest genociders of all. The christoconditioned=christo west. (It ain't the genocided heathen west that did this, right?)
After all, they have spent centuries - upto this very moment and beyond into the long-foreseeable future - fomenting genocide in India based on their Aryan Invasion Theory/diabtribe (AIT), even as they knew it to be false.
Could already see indologist Nicholas Kazanas of omilosmeleton speak of "our" Vedas, Skt and IVC etc. It wasn't in compliment to Hindoos=ethnic HindOOs.
Because all such phrasings are a pretence to how the modern west had originated in India, had generated the Vedas, Skt, IVC and then moved to the west where they are now. So that all these things are now magically "still" theirs. Again: when the alien demons pushed AIT, ethnic HindOOs Vedic civilisation was all theirs (minus IVC, because of their own faux-pas in research) and now since they switched over to assuming OIT - which clearly must have happened well before the above journal article (but the real question is how long ago) - they formulate their framework of acquisition just such, that Vedam/Skt/Vedic civilisation is all still theirs (plus the IVC).
Note that they don't even mention OIT - it is obviously a key assumption in their chain of assumptions (their developing on the themes of their own self-aggrandisement) - as they have moved straight past OIT all the way into simply declaring modern western law AND all civilisation derives from its origins in the IVC - i.e. via "their" ancestors at "their" IVC. That's how accomplished their thievery is.
OIT is a silent self-evident assumption, the same way "(in the Indus Valley)" is made self-evident by being placed in brackets.
* Kazanas is more honest. But make no mistake, all those aliens who were openly OIT - including Elst - only support OIT because they consider it all as "theirs". I.e. because of the same self-entitlement as those alien demons who publicly pushed AIT onto Indians, but any number of whom clearly privately subscribed to OIT.
I think every AIT-ist (and preferably every IE-ist too*) should be dragged to the Hague or rather Nuremberg tribunal (isn't that were oryanists=IE-ists were tried) and hung. They are inveterate liars of genocidal scale with genocidal intent.
* They've not proven anything of IE other than that the west is an unwanted spin-off, probably of Iranians - let's blame them, since they're dead - and not at all of Indians. (Also there's the evidence of the Iranian Sarmatians and/or Ossetians and their connection to even Arthurian legends)
Though had they been the spin-off of Indians, then it is true what so many in India had said: copulate with the west and you produce demons.
There is a silver lining here too. It is that the above shows the lie to the faces of dravoodianists and Ur-Shramanists (Jain Minority Forum types and several Buddhism peddlers), who pretended that IVC was dravoodian and that the ur-Shramanists were the natives/dravoodians of the land. They surely realise that, by their own logic and reasoning, they stand condemned, with their own eviction notice now going the other way. [And if it were up to me, there would be no second chances.] It's *too late* for them to come crying that they are a product of Vedic civilisation too. Bloody lying traitors, party to inciting genocide, against the true natives: the loyal ethnic adherents to the ancestral heathenism of the land. The traitors may die for all I care. They *should* kill themselves, to show they at least stand by the consequences of their idiot logic and aren't entirely without principles.
Hindus should work on the OIT-IrMT-HTT (Out of India, Iranian Migration Theory, Hindu Tourist Theory):
+ how a tiny band of Iranians migrated to alien climes and that explains the genetics which the alien OIT-ists like Kar above allude to.
+ How supposedly "IE" languages seen in the west originated in India/Iran, and aren't the west's and hence the word European in Indo-European is entirely unjustified.
+ how the west's supposedly "IE" culture - down to the last "IE" trope - is because of benign ancient Hindoo=Vedic tourists from India-Iran visiting some western climes (not the NW of Europe, though) that taught the aliens, which aliens then went on to pass variations of all such benevolently shared teachings by ethnic HindOOs from India among each other. And then thousands of years passed. And then christianism came and destroyed the ways of life of these ancient Europeans, owing to which they were then genocided and replaced by the gangrene=subvertibles among themselves (those who could be converted to christianism), to their genetic remnants thus transforming unrecognisably into the white supremacist demons seen today, prancing about the world pretending they came up with it all and claiming the originating civilisations for themelves, but whose echoes they had merely heard (been imparted with) but never themselves contributed to.
+ All modern "IE" European languages should be dubbed broken, bastardized variants of Indic/Iranian. That such languages are accidental unwanted formations of whatever was spoken in IVC is an implication in the above article, right? Else how can the "western" law and civilisation originate in the IVC, unless they want to pretend that all major IE branches were already developed and spoken in India back then? Or will they next pretend that the entire modern west first moved from another urheimat to India, built the IVC, after having come up with Vedic civilisation, and then moved out again to all the places they are now? Since they pretend *all* the modern west has a claim on IVC, after all. And the implied connection is via IE and admitted genetic antecedents alone.
I mean, the west is not claiming that pre-IVC, some oryans invaded India and created the IVC. They're claiming it is the origin of all-"western" civilisation. Now how can that be unless they claim the entire modern west - i.e. the "European" in Indo-European (language und kultur) - was to have originated in Bharatam/greater India, at the IVC?
Hindus should push for getting IE denied, since - like I said - the word European in Indo-European is entirely unjustified. Europeans exhibiting any feature of IE-ism (language to tropes) is an accidental by-product of the generosity of Hindoo sharing, as much as any of the few genetic Iranian or even Indian bastard lines that in time fed into what dhu called the "cul-de-sac of EurAsia" (Europe) was an unwanted side-effect. The west are not co-creators (let alone equal ones) in any respect of any aspect of Vedic civilisation including its IVC, since European populations weren't IE-ised yet when Hindoos had first come up with their civilisation in India (which moreover predates IVC, BTW).
Stupid Indians aren't going to use the evil christowestern "admission" of the OIT (which was still only to enrich themselves, while the same peddled AIT in India to Hindoos) to feel sympathy and misplaced kinship with the alien demons are they? Then again, Indian IE-ists have happily married western IE-ists even professional indologists on the grounds of shared IE-ism (belief in shared oryan ancestry).
Hindoos should ban the alien demons from all things Hindoo. Ban them from India, as a source of having only ever brought misery to the natives. Deny the mlecchas access to Skt. Stop teaching them Anything. Stop arming them thereby.
Helping the alien demons is *directly* contributing to destroying the Hindoo heathens/Bharatam. The native Americans also - in their impossible great-heartedness to the alien demons - helped the invading christowest, and shared all things with them. Even as the west then genocided them. That is all the christowest has ever done. So stop sharing with the mleccha demons, dangerously-stupid Hindus. Deny them everything. Keep telling them - repeatedly - to stop poaching on what is not theirs. To stop pretending to "convert" (when at best they subvert). Tell them to stop dabbling. Personally, I'd just like to tell them to throw themselves off a cliff every time any of them expresses an "interest" to dabble.
Think: what good for Hindoos - or any other heathens anywhere in the world - has ever come from the alien demons? Nothing. Nothing good. Only great evil. They're a curse. Stop interacting with them in the field of Hindoo heathenism. Stop giving them any access. And stop intermarrying with them, creating a confusion of where loyalties lie.
And the news was:
dhu wrote the following about a paper he had discovered -
Reposted without dhu's permission, but his last intention on the matter was to post the above publicly.
Am consciously violating IF member dhu's rights with this post. And not because I dislike him - on the contrary. My sincere apologies to dhu, but I'm doing it anyway. Although, his final statements on this subject were that he was going to post this in public somewhere.
IF member dhu wrote some years back:
Quote:I believe their elite classes now know that OIT is true. It was possible that this was known among their most elite classes at century's turn but now it is well known even among their hoi polloi elite:
The following monograph by Robin Bradley Kar (non-indic as far as I could determine) argues for the origin of Roman Law in the Indus valley. It is a very high level policy type monograph. This is the course of their future appropriating discourse (monotheism originated with them in the Indus Valley...
[size="5"]On the Origins of Western Law and Western Civilization (in the Indus Valley)[/size]
(For which Dhu links to: papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1702492)
Social Science Research Network http:// www.ssrn.com/
University of Illinois College of Law
February 18, 2011
Illinois Public Law Research Paper No. 10-16
Now watch the magic and do not miss the keywords at the bottom of the abstract either.
papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1702492
Quote:On the Origins of Western Law and Western Civilization (in the Indus Valley)
Robin Bradley Kar
University of Illinois College of Law
February 18, 2011
Illinois Public Law Research Paper No. 10-16
Abstract:
Western Law and Western Civilization are often said to be parts of a distinctive tradition, which differentiates them from their counterparts in the ââ¬ÅEast,ââ¬Â and explains many of their special capacities and characteristics. On one common version of this story, as propounded by legal scholars such as Harold Berman, Western Civilization begins with a return to the texts of three more primordial traditions: those of ancient Greece, Rome, and Israel. The basic story that Western Civilization finds its origins in ancient Greek, Roman and Hebrew culture is, however, so familiar and so pervasive that it has rarely - until recently - been questioned in the West.
There is nevertheless a deep sense in which this story is incomplete, and even potentially misleading. This article - along with its sequels - argues that if we are genuinely interested in understanding our origins, in a way that will shed light on why the West has exhibited such distinctive capacities for large-scale human civilization and the rule of law, then the story we commonly tell ourselves starts abruptly in the middle, and leaves out some of the most formative (and potentially transformative) dimensions of the truth. Western Law and Western Civilization are not just the outgrowths of three particularly creative cultures, which straddled the transition from human prehistory into human history, and developed in either Southeastern Europe or the Near East. Rather, the West is descended from a much deeper cultural tradition, which extends all the way back to some of our first human forays out of hunter-gatherer modes of subsistence and into settled agricultural living. The tradition in question began not in Greece, Rome, or Israel, however, but rather in the Indus Valley - which is a region that spans the Northwestern portions of the Indian subcontinent. Our failure to know this about ourselves has limited our self-understanding in critical respects, and has prevented us from realizing useful aspects of our traditions - including, in some cases, aspects that make them work so well for large-scale human civilization.
We live in an era in which it is, moreover, especially important to decipher the deepest origins of Western Law and Civilization. Scholars within the emerging ââ¬Ålegal originsââ¬Â tradition have now produced an impressive body of empirical work, which suggests that we can explain a broad range of features of modern societies in terms of the origins of their laws. This literature suggests that legal origin variables can have strong effects on issues as diverse as corporate governance structure, labor regulations, the robustness of capital markets, and even literacy and infant mortality rates.
The present article argues that this literature has nevertheless been working with legal origin variables that fail to track genuine lines of genetic descent. It then develops a distinctive, and more complete, picture of the phylogenetic structure of the Indo-European legal family, which traces many of its most important developments in human prehistory. A proper understanding of this family tree should have important empirical implications: this work can, for example, be used to help explain why certain exportations of Western-style legal institutions have worked so well while others have not. Inquiries of this kind should, moreover, have special urgency today, given the massive exportations of Western law and Western legal institutions to so many other parts of the world, and given the increased pressures toward westernization that are being felt around the globe.
Number of Pages in PDF File: 105
Keywords: legal origin, western law, western civilization, east, west, orientalism, indus, harappan, rule of law, development, comparative, legal history, indo-european, evolution of law, christianity, druid, brahman, celt, prehistory, berman, edward said, roman law, india, iran, linguistics, social structure
JEL Classification: N00, N13, N15, N10, N20, N30, N40, N43, N45, O10, O57, P50, F01, F00
(Haven't read the article itself, since the abstract gives its usefulness to Hindus away. Plus the article itself, as described, is to be about forging a lineage/a geneology for modern "western" monotheist law tracing to ancient Vedic=Hindoo India's Indus Valley. <- That part is merely the new narrative being manufactured to christo-westernise the inherent OIT assumption in the above.)
From the title itself, can see how the Indus Valley is now suddenly part of the ambit of "western civilisation".
Can see in the above how Indus Valley Civilisation (IVC) has magically become self-evidently "western", whereas when the same kinds speak to Hindoos, they insist AIT is true*, that IVC is specifically not associated with Hindoos' ancient Vedic society, that OIT is naturally untrue. Remember it is via Vedic-anything that the west has laid its claim to India: Vedic-anything is dubbed "Indo-Europeanism" after all. And IVC can only be declared as "western" by the alien demons by claiming that IVC is a Vedic civilisation. So this is another assumption long internalised among the west in their internal dialoguing: when the alien demons speak among themselves, they are past assuming OIT, and that IVC is Vedic (and that the Vedas is much older than 1800 BCE, being at least as old as the IVC's origins). And so far have the alien demons moved on to identifying themselves in all this, that they have - for years now, as seen in the date of the journal article above - readily spoken of their "western" law and even all "western civilisation" originating in the IVC.
And like Dhu noted, they are now trying to tie christianism into the IVC. Backwards in time. (Hmmm, like ur-Shramanism attempted too....)
(* They still insist IE-ism being true of course, else they can't make their grandiose claims: IVC can't become "also western" and "therefore" "actually western" without tying Europe to India, i.e without the "Indo-Europeanism" construct.)
Not that all of the above was entirely beyond Indians to work out, when I think about it. There were already implied admissions. If anyone thought about it a bit, the whole thing about Lithuania and Latvia speaking IE except their relatives in neighbouring Estonia speaking Finno-Ugric should have indicated that at least anything deemed "IE" wasn't a Baltic language at all. After which a lot of other and related things become increasingly more suspect, if not start to domino outright.
[And earlier on, the IE-ist west's moronic nazi ancestors sought their origins in Tibet and Ladakh. Also seen in the Korean writer Lee Sam Dol (sp?) writings on how chillingly the nazis, who were IE-ists, went about randomly delineating "oryan" flora and fauna in Tibet from the "later"-introduced non-oryan ones, which last were scheduled to be extincted along with the native humans upon the eventual nazi expansion into Tibet - and probably the entire subcontinent - for their oryan "lebensraum".]
But there should be a prize for the greatest thieves of all. And the greatest genociders of all. The christoconditioned=christo west. (It ain't the genocided heathen west that did this, right?)
After all, they have spent centuries - upto this very moment and beyond into the long-foreseeable future - fomenting genocide in India based on their Aryan Invasion Theory/diabtribe (AIT), even as they knew it to be false.
Could already see indologist Nicholas Kazanas of omilosmeleton speak of "our" Vedas, Skt and IVC etc. It wasn't in compliment to Hindoos=ethnic HindOOs.
Because all such phrasings are a pretence to how the modern west had originated in India, had generated the Vedas, Skt, IVC and then moved to the west where they are now. So that all these things are now magically "still" theirs. Again: when the alien demons pushed AIT, ethnic HindOOs Vedic civilisation was all theirs (minus IVC, because of their own faux-pas in research) and now since they switched over to assuming OIT - which clearly must have happened well before the above journal article (but the real question is how long ago) - they formulate their framework of acquisition just such, that Vedam/Skt/Vedic civilisation is all still theirs (plus the IVC).
Note that they don't even mention OIT - it is obviously a key assumption in their chain of assumptions (their developing on the themes of their own self-aggrandisement) - as they have moved straight past OIT all the way into simply declaring modern western law AND all civilisation derives from its origins in the IVC - i.e. via "their" ancestors at "their" IVC. That's how accomplished their thievery is.
OIT is a silent self-evident assumption, the same way "(in the Indus Valley)" is made self-evident by being placed in brackets.
* Kazanas is more honest. But make no mistake, all those aliens who were openly OIT - including Elst - only support OIT because they consider it all as "theirs". I.e. because of the same self-entitlement as those alien demons who publicly pushed AIT onto Indians, but any number of whom clearly privately subscribed to OIT.
I think every AIT-ist (and preferably every IE-ist too*) should be dragged to the Hague or rather Nuremberg tribunal (isn't that were oryanists=IE-ists were tried) and hung. They are inveterate liars of genocidal scale with genocidal intent.
* They've not proven anything of IE other than that the west is an unwanted spin-off, probably of Iranians - let's blame them, since they're dead - and not at all of Indians. (Also there's the evidence of the Iranian Sarmatians and/or Ossetians and their connection to even Arthurian legends)
Though had they been the spin-off of Indians, then it is true what so many in India had said: copulate with the west and you produce demons.
There is a silver lining here too. It is that the above shows the lie to the faces of dravoodianists and Ur-Shramanists (Jain Minority Forum types and several Buddhism peddlers), who pretended that IVC was dravoodian and that the ur-Shramanists were the natives/dravoodians of the land. They surely realise that, by their own logic and reasoning, they stand condemned, with their own eviction notice now going the other way. [And if it were up to me, there would be no second chances.] It's *too late* for them to come crying that they are a product of Vedic civilisation too. Bloody lying traitors, party to inciting genocide, against the true natives: the loyal ethnic adherents to the ancestral heathenism of the land. The traitors may die for all I care. They *should* kill themselves, to show they at least stand by the consequences of their idiot logic and aren't entirely without principles.
Hindus should work on the OIT-IrMT-HTT (Out of India, Iranian Migration Theory, Hindu Tourist Theory):
+ how a tiny band of Iranians migrated to alien climes and that explains the genetics which the alien OIT-ists like Kar above allude to.
+ How supposedly "IE" languages seen in the west originated in India/Iran, and aren't the west's and hence the word European in Indo-European is entirely unjustified.
+ how the west's supposedly "IE" culture - down to the last "IE" trope - is because of benign ancient Hindoo=Vedic tourists from India-Iran visiting some western climes (not the NW of Europe, though) that taught the aliens, which aliens then went on to pass variations of all such benevolently shared teachings by ethnic HindOOs from India among each other. And then thousands of years passed. And then christianism came and destroyed the ways of life of these ancient Europeans, owing to which they were then genocided and replaced by the gangrene=subvertibles among themselves (those who could be converted to christianism), to their genetic remnants thus transforming unrecognisably into the white supremacist demons seen today, prancing about the world pretending they came up with it all and claiming the originating civilisations for themelves, but whose echoes they had merely heard (been imparted with) but never themselves contributed to.
+ All modern "IE" European languages should be dubbed broken, bastardized variants of Indic/Iranian. That such languages are accidental unwanted formations of whatever was spoken in IVC is an implication in the above article, right? Else how can the "western" law and civilisation originate in the IVC, unless they want to pretend that all major IE branches were already developed and spoken in India back then? Or will they next pretend that the entire modern west first moved from another urheimat to India, built the IVC, after having come up with Vedic civilisation, and then moved out again to all the places they are now? Since they pretend *all* the modern west has a claim on IVC, after all. And the implied connection is via IE and admitted genetic antecedents alone.
I mean, the west is not claiming that pre-IVC, some oryans invaded India and created the IVC. They're claiming it is the origin of all-"western" civilisation. Now how can that be unless they claim the entire modern west - i.e. the "European" in Indo-European (language und kultur) - was to have originated in Bharatam/greater India, at the IVC?
Hindus should push for getting IE denied, since - like I said - the word European in Indo-European is entirely unjustified. Europeans exhibiting any feature of IE-ism (language to tropes) is an accidental by-product of the generosity of Hindoo sharing, as much as any of the few genetic Iranian or even Indian bastard lines that in time fed into what dhu called the "cul-de-sac of EurAsia" (Europe) was an unwanted side-effect. The west are not co-creators (let alone equal ones) in any respect of any aspect of Vedic civilisation including its IVC, since European populations weren't IE-ised yet when Hindoos had first come up with their civilisation in India (which moreover predates IVC, BTW).
Stupid Indians aren't going to use the evil christowestern "admission" of the OIT (which was still only to enrich themselves, while the same peddled AIT in India to Hindoos) to feel sympathy and misplaced kinship with the alien demons are they? Then again, Indian IE-ists have happily married western IE-ists even professional indologists on the grounds of shared IE-ism (belief in shared oryan ancestry).
Hindoos should ban the alien demons from all things Hindoo. Ban them from India, as a source of having only ever brought misery to the natives. Deny the mlecchas access to Skt. Stop teaching them Anything. Stop arming them thereby.
Helping the alien demons is *directly* contributing to destroying the Hindoo heathens/Bharatam. The native Americans also - in their impossible great-heartedness to the alien demons - helped the invading christowest, and shared all things with them. Even as the west then genocided them. That is all the christowest has ever done. So stop sharing with the mleccha demons, dangerously-stupid Hindus. Deny them everything. Keep telling them - repeatedly - to stop poaching on what is not theirs. To stop pretending to "convert" (when at best they subvert). Tell them to stop dabbling. Personally, I'd just like to tell them to throw themselves off a cliff every time any of them expresses an "interest" to dabble.
Think: what good for Hindoos - or any other heathens anywhere in the world - has ever come from the alien demons? Nothing. Nothing good. Only great evil. They're a curse. Stop interacting with them in the field of Hindoo heathenism. Stop giving them any access. And stop intermarrying with them, creating a confusion of where loyalties lie.
And the news was:
dhu wrote the following about a paper he had discovered -
Quote:I believe their elite classes now know that OIT is true. It was possible that this was known among their most elite classes at century's turn but now it is well known even among their hoi polloi elite:
The following monograph by Robin Bradley Kar (non-indic as far as I could determine) argues for the origin of Roman Law in the Indus valley. It is a very high level policy type monograph. This is the course of their future appropriating discourse (monotheism originated with them in the Indus Valley...
[size="5"]On the Origins of Western Law and Western Civilization (in the Indus Valley)[/size]
(For which Dhu links to: papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1702492)
Social Science Research Network http:// www.ssrn.com/
University of Illinois College of Law
February 18, 2011
Illinois Public Law Research Paper No. 10-16
Reposted without dhu's permission, but his last intention on the matter was to post the above publicly.