Sanatana Dharma - Aka Hinduism (3rd Bin)

[Husky]

Substantiating claims made in an earlier post.



1. [quote name='Husky' date='12 May 2015 - 10:11 PM' timestamp='1431448406' post='117709']** Presence of Agni accounting for Rudra/Shiva too makes perfect sense. But the ValmeekiRamayanam translation notes also mention the inevitable presence of the homa kundam in Agastya's pooja space, which would also be Agni and Rudran too. (Vedic fire of a homa/yagnya - also internally within the Hindoo - is said to be Shiva/the Shivalingam as per agama and tantra shlokas describing Shiva/Shivalingam.) [/quote]

Source:

The Shiva Sahasranamam from appropriately named Yamala goes through Shiva's names as various combinations of yagnya (including IIRC the yagnya itself).

Agama/Tantra draws a straight line between performing exoteric yagnya as worship of Shiva, with yagnya as Shivalingam, to the esoteric (internal) worship of Shiva in the hrudayam with hrudayam as Shivalingam.



2. Substantiation for the bit in bold:

[quote name='Husky' date='12 May 2015 - 10:11 PM' timestamp='1431448406' post='117709']

And then there is of course Agastya's teaching Rama the Aditya Hrudayam which refers to Shiva several times: IIRC Surya is once named as encompassing the trimoorti (brahma + ishaana + achyuta) as parabrahman, and Shiva is once mentioned in a long list of well-known Gods - brahmaa viShNu shiva skanda prajaapati mahendra etc etc - all of whom Bhagavaan Surya is then identified with. (And 'raudraya vapuShe' and 'Shambhu' are similarly used for Surya in the stotram.)

So within the Ramayanam text itself, Agastya finds Shiva worshipful.

Here, this translation of an aforementioned ref in the stotram is useful:

valmikiramayan.net/yuddha/sarga105/yuddha_105_frame.htm

raudraaya vapuShe= appearing in the form of Rudra.

(C.f.: In YV, Rudra is IIRC said to appear in the form of the Sun, all forms of the Sun (having all colours of it). Essentially the Sun. And Vedic Sun = the Hindoos' Parabrahman as per upanishads. Which is Bhagavaan Suryan, the paramaatman, sarvaatman.)

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While Aditya Hrudayam has Surya in the form of Rudra,

for Rudra appearing in the form of Surya see Rudram, 1.7 and 1.8 (hope I didn't miscount).

Better yet, with translation from tradition see here:



kamakoti.org/kamakoti/stotra/Sri%20Rudram%20Anuvakam1.html



Mantrams 7 and 8

Mantra 7

Parameswara has eight forms- Earth, Water, Agni, Vayu, Akasa, Chandra, Surya and Yajamana (individual sacrificer). Of them, Parameswara of the form of Surya is praised in the 7th and 8th mantras. The zone around Surya appears red-coloured at dawn time, a less deep red in colour after some time and golden later. Surya mandalam is praised as ‘Sumangala:’ –very auspicious, because it drives away darkness, dew etc. and brings comfort to all. Were there no Surya, the entire world will become inauspicious, enveloped in darkness. Just as Sun’s rays pervade the entire world, thousands of Parameswara’s ganas (armies), whose appearance is same as Parameswara’s, are spread in the earth region all around in many places and bless or curse people according to the merits and sins they commit. We douse the anger of Sri Parameswara of the form of the Sun’s zone and Rudraganas, who are spread everywhere in thousands, by songs of praise, prostration etc. May all of them bless us.



Heda:- This word has two meanings- dishonour and anger. Dishonour arises by not performing acts as laid down in Vedas and anger because of performing acts prohibited in Vedas. It is said that we nullify these two aspects.

Mantra 7



Having pacified through the 7th mantra, the Rishi prays in this 8th mantra for fulfillment of desires. Sri Parameswara himself travels in the sky in the form of Suryamandala every day owing to compassion that everyone might see him. Hence even unlettered, innocent people get an opportunity to look at Sri Rudra directly. Generally, while referring to uneducated people, it is usual to cite cowherds as examples. It is a practice to say ‘Aabaalagopalam’. In accord with that, ‘गोपा अदृशन्’ has been mentioned. Women, who fetch water, and who lack even the knowledge possessed by cowherds, look at this Rudra of the form of Suryamandala. Not only that; even animals like bull and sheep see and enjoy the Sun. The true form of Advaita, Sachchidananda, is beyond the reach of anyone’s intellect. The form with attributes, residing in Kailasam, is capable of being known only by worshippers. However the form of Sri Parameswara as the Suryamandala can be seen and enjoyed by all creatures. May Sri Parameswara, who, out of great compassion, travels in the sky so that all may have darshan and attain to higher state, bestow comfort on us; this is the prayer.

(One of the other mantras on that page is explained as also implying Shiva in the form of Indra.)

Note that the translations/explanations are based on that of traditional Hindoo heathen experts' commentaries (you know, the exact thing that Rajarant hates).



Each mantram/set of mantrams has a Rishi. And in the Sri Rudram all these Rishis of each mantra-set are speaking of Maheshwara (Rudra-Shiva).





Now can compare even the above two mantras (else can check the rest of the translation of the Rudram at the link) which shows the Vedic Rishis of the mantras of the Rudram repeatedly affirming Maheshwara and his worship,

can compare *that* with entity "CCC" commenting at indiafacts, a new-agey, post-Hindu, anti-Hindu, un-Vedic, anti-Vedic revisionist of the Vedam (and a whole new type of Nastika-ism is born) who will nevertheless dare to speak for Rishis, in declaring that the Vedic Rishis did not have Gods:



indiafacts.co.in/why-christianity-poses-a-clear-threat-to-india/

ccc 12 hours ago



What is the difference between Hindus and Christians, both pray to a god. Why have hindus not learned from "Aham Brahmasmi" "Sarvam khalvidam Brahma", that instead of praying they have to focus on their true nature though patanjali astang yog for example and draw energy and see things for what they are.



A god fearing hindu who prays is no better than a christian or a muslim.

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ccc > Rajalakshmi J 10 hours ago

every society has passed through the same road with these milestones but the its only the Rishis and Tapasvis who have gone farthest and found that there is no god outside of us who is listening to all the prayers, judging us on the basis of our actions

Geez. Nothing more annoying than unheathens who encroach on the word "Hindu" and pretend they know the Vedic Rishis better than *actual* Hindoos=heathens.



Here is the famous mantram in the Rudram where "idolatry" is famous and undeniable, every traditional Hindoo translation always has said it correctly:



kamakoti.org/kamakoti/stotra/Sri%20Rudram%20Anuvakam11.html

Mantra 15



अयं मे हस्तो भगवानयं मे भगवत्तरः ।

अयं मे विश्वभेषजोयँ शिवाभिमर्शनः ॥



Meaning:

मे- My, अयं हस्तः- this hand, शिवाभिमर्शनः- touches the auspicious idol of Sri Parameswara. (performs Abhishekam, decoration etc.) अयं- This hand, भगवान्- is fortunate. मे- My, अयं- this hand, भगवत्तरः- is very fortunate. मे- My, अयं- this hand, विश्वभेषजः- becomes also medicine relieving from all diseases.



Explanation:

The idea is that as the hand which worships Sri Parameswara is very fortunate and capable of relieving from all diseases, everyone should worship Parameswara without fail.

I don't know why "CCC" types, who can only subvert the Vedam and the Rishis, don't convert to Jainism/Buddhism/agniveerism already, instead of continuing to parasite on Vedic religion=Hindoos' heathenism="polytheistic idolatry".

CCC type entities have no right to subvert the Vedam just because Ishwara/the Hindoo Gods don't compute with them.



And how dare they equate Hindoos worshipping the very real and perfect Hindoo Gods with the christoislamaniacs worshipping a non-existent frightful and genocidal invention?

The likes of CCC has far more in common with christoislamaniacs, who are also famous in subverting the Vaidika Dharma in *exactly* the same way CCC is doing: lying about it to make it seem like it confirms his ideology/his view (christoislam regularly lies about the Vedam pretending it is speaking of jeebusjehovallah too).



The amount of gangrene infesting "Hindu" "nationalism" - or encroaching on the very term "Hindu" - is quite a revelation.

In what way are these subversionist people "Hindus" (is it just 'cause they're Indian unsaved kaffirs?) and why do Hindoos have to be lumped with them under the umbrella term "Hindu"?





Not an important post. Merely substantiating statements in an earlier post, after which it leads into a rant that's continued in the Buddhism (etc) thread.