1. Can't remember if I archived this or not.
indiafacts.co.in/myanmar-retaliation-modis-finest-hour/
Very well done. Liked several of the suggestions in the comments too.
And this next comment contains something actually optimistic (at long last, some oxygen, forgot what that felt like), but it sources the RSS (not BJP) which is still Hindoo:
2. Can't recall if there's an education thread.
This next would belong there as it contains a very ... out of the box suggestion. Not sure if there won't be surprise drawbacks - and times must surely be desperate - but
indiafacts.co.in/plea-for-a-native-national-ideal/
Hmmm. Good, but have to ask:
What's to stop christoislamania from insisting that "its" versions of every historical event and personage be presented equally too? "Let's hear apologetics about Aurangzeb or Tipu. Or the Paki version of Indian history."
Suppose one could insist that only pre-christoislamic eras are given the native, alternative versions of events. (Though christianism is even encroaching on the Sangam era of Tamizh regions to christianise this, by bringing that period further forward in time, and throwing itself further back in time. Then we'll hear - the very recent christian invention - of how that fiction St Thomas originally taught Tiruvalluvar and that Tiruvalluvar and his work was therefore christian etc. <- I don't think that is taught in schools yet.)
Yet if alternative versions are only to be given in the even-more-obviously pre-christoislamic/pre-invasion era, then there is still the threat of Shramanists suddenly agitating to peddle their ur-Shramanism theory as an alternative version. And if enough of them don't insist on it, am sure leftists would.**
Besides, it is *known* - from countless examples littering the web itself - that the concocted ur-Shramanism theory will be far Far More Popular among modern "Hindus" than the Hindu version of ancient history. (And that's not even counting the number of Hindus who would swear by the Buddhist tradition of multiple Buddhas [or Teerthankaras], yet will easily forswear longer-standing Hindu traditions regarding Hindu Gods. :Ugh
Can even consider the number of Hindus who would prefer to imagine the Tiruvalluvar/Tirukkural and Adigal/Silappadikaaram to be "Jain" (or "Buddhist" or whatever), even when the same eventually acknowledge that most of the contents of these works are Hindoo onlee with only patches (also) applicable to anything else.
And what's to stop Hindus from telling other Hindus that PIE must be true/resistance is futile/surrender to appointed=better judgement, as some do? Or, as Rajiv Malhotra once did - before he lately joined the bandwagon (and thereafter got projected as an original/pioneer): in projecting that any Hindus resisting AIT were obsessed by it (post 454 of DNA thread). (I guess by that very late time when Malhotra finally bothered to take note and then started writing Breaking India, his new obsession was now suddenly fashionable, or not an obsession any more when he does it, because in his case it magically becomes scholarly, a.o.t. previous scholars on the subject on whose 'midget'/obsessed shoulders he surely would not have stood? Still galling.)
Don't know, for every suggestion I can already see a countermove by enemies and naysayers or something to rain on the parade.
With today's Indians/India, I've learnt to look out for doom and gloom, rather than continuing to be caught off guard by just this. 'Cause in their hands, it practically never fails to rain on any party, even when the prospect initially looked bright and promising. So better come up with umbrellas or alternate activities, just in case things blow up in Hindus' face Yet Again.
** Can't underestimate the possibility of this. When the Sri-Rama-janmabhoomi issue came up, out of nowhere neo-Buddhist whinies and Jain Minority Forum vocalists propagated articles on the web screeching that it was originally a "Buddhist nay Jain nay Buddhist" temple site, illegally commandeered by Hindus, else that there never was a Hindoo temple there, only a Jain/Buddhist/Jain one and that Rama's temple must have been in Pakistan no Afghanistan no Urheimat.
Besides, Shramanists - not even the fringe - have worked *hard* on the ur-Shramanism theory. Anyone who thinks the Shramanist minority groups will not take the opportunity of having ur-Shramanism taught at last - and otherwise insist their minority rights are being oppressed - is likely to get a rude shock. (Even the major Vipassana peddler insisted that Hindus must acknowledge the ur-Shramanism nonsense and wanted to rope in established authorities on Hindoo heathenism to issue such nonsense.) But I suppose it will be a nice occasion - if Hindus were ever up for it - for exposing the Shramanist lies to the public. All their idiotic and nasty, petty claims - starting from reading themselves into the Vedam and using this to play victim - will be shown up for the lies they are. And if there's one thing the Shramanists *don't* like is being shown to be inveterate liars, after which they are liable to end up in a embarrassed silence. So perhaps they should 'bring it on', instead of passive-aggresively peddling it about the internet in an unofficial manner, as they're doing now, since it can for now still be dismissed as 'merely their opinion/(late) theology' if called out on it? Then again, Hindu Nationalists will remain silent and insist other Hindus do too, to not "offend" the Shramanists and their missionary ploy known as ur-Shramanism. And nothing causes more damage to the Hindoo psyche than rolling over to even those immediately higher up in the food chain, which trick once learned is then naturally repeated in response to those at the top (christoislam).
Items of interest were:
1. indiafacts.co.in/myanmar-retaliation-modis-finest-hour/
2. The interesting suggestion in the comment by "SamDidymus" at:
indiafacts.co.in/plea-for-a-native-national-ideal/
indiafacts.co.in/myanmar-retaliation-modis-finest-hour/
Quote:Myanmar retaliation: Modiââ¬â¢s finest hour
Prime Minister Narendra Modi has made a breach with the past.
Ravi Shanker Kapoor
Commentary | 10-06-2015
The unprecedented surgical strike inside Myanmar by the special forces of the Indian Army will go a long way asserting Indiaââ¬â¢s right to safeguard its interest in south Asia. The elite commandoes liquidated about 20 insurgents of the groups that had ambushed and killed our 18 soldiers in Manipur a few days ago. That this was done without any casualties on our side underlines the efficiency and effectiveness of our armed forces. Actually, the capabilities of our military were never in doubtââ¬âit was the weak-kneed political leadership that never took such a bold decision. Prime Minister Narendra Modi has made a breach with the past. It was the best decision that he has taken since he took over the reins in May 2014.
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Very well done. Liked several of the suggestions in the comments too.
And this next comment contains something actually optimistic (at long last, some oxygen, forgot what that felt like), but it sources the RSS (not BJP) which is still Hindoo:
Quote:Radha Rajan ââ¬Â¢ 4 days ago
Yes the best decision and the most decisive. Full marks not just to Modi but also to Manohar Parikkar. Parikkar gave our wonderful men and women in uniform the free hand to demonstrate how wonderful they are. Now Modi and Parikkar should turn their eyes East. The RSS said recently that India's map has been drawn and redrawn several times and it will be redrawn again. I sincerely hope this means what Hindu nationalists think it means.
(Well, RSS gets marks just for intending it.)
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2. Can't recall if there's an education thread.
This next would belong there as it contains a very ... out of the box suggestion. Not sure if there won't be surprise drawbacks - and times must surely be desperate - but
indiafacts.co.in/plea-for-a-native-national-ideal/
Quote:SamDidymus ââ¬Â¢ a day ago
India's Grand Narrative is held hostage to a nexus of vested interests. This includes Nehruvian socialists, leftists, the Church, Islamists, "caste"-politics practitioners, and the general Tamas of the Hindu population - males and females (Dr. MS - please don't make this a gender warfare - it is NOT). Hindus need to first envision what India's Grand Narrative is, before we explore ways to confront the anti-Indian nexus in the manifestation of the same. Those of us who have toiled for many years in cobbling together an Indian Grand Narrative recognize that it involves the fusion of pre-history, oral history, astronomical observations, genetic information, archeology, history, culture, arts, math, sciences, philosophies, languages, and many such dimensions - ALL of which are currently hostage to spuriously-manufactured narratives by different members of the nexus that has been named.
In the absence of a "Hindu-Eco-System" that can support scholarship in these areas, award Ph.Ds, provide research and employment opportunities for such graduates, the task is all but impossible. No matter how much thousands of outraged Hindu internet activists will write showing the bizarre paradoxes and errors of the current narratives, no matter how many books are published by neo-Hindu-intellectuals - including scholars such as you, Rajiv Malhotra, Koenraad Elst, Vamsee Juluri, Sitaram Goel, Arun Shourie, and others, the narratives will not budge one bit! Any attempt to change the discourse in academia without the "credentials" of "self-serving-academia-clubs-where-Hindus-are-outsiders", will be met with a blitzkrieg of canned, pigeon-holed propaganda that we are "Hindu-fascists", "saffron history", "Hindutva", and so on.
The Hindu intelligentsia should focus on the methods used - bizarrely enough - by the Christian fundamentalists pushing "creation" in school textbooks in USA. The Christian fundamentalists have their foots in the door by legislating (e.g., Christian-convert-Jindal's state of Louisiana) that textbooks should contain either both sides of the creation/evolution debate, or they should have a stamp that the "theory of evolution" is just a theory. This way, they live to fight on another day.
Much as I utterly and organically detest the Christian fundamentalists, there is a lot to be learnt from their methods of organization and activism.
I propose that the Modi govt should mandate that all textbooks used across the nation, should include alternate narratives, in addition to the current false leftist narrations, and pose them as debating points for the students. The center should take over education from the states for this to happen. Let the students learn about the paradox of an out-of-India origin for Hindus versus a living tradition that includes astronomical observations dating back 8000 to 10,000 years, encoded in the Puranas. Let the students learn the paradox of small-pox and black-plague and disease ridden, fundamentalist-Christian-ruled, anti-science-Church-ruled, unhygienic-no-bath Europeans "suddenly" experiencing the so-called "renaissance", and plagiarizing hundreds of items of Indian knowledge destructively obtained by the invading Muslims, and injected into Spain in the Abbasid era, and thereon to Europe. Let Indian students be exposed to millions to pieces of indic-knowledge, that appears to have been the forerunners of today's knowledge systems. Thus studying these side-by-side is in the BEST traditions of our own knowledge systems, using purva-paksha. This also dove-tails neatly into the so-called Western methods of using "hypothesis-devise test-measure-experiment-draw conclusions" methodology.
After many years of battling the anti-Indian narratives, I have come to this conclusion to raise Indic-scholars from WITHIN the current leftist biases, merely by the govt legislating the study of BOTH systems critically. I hope the Modi govt will do this sooner, rather than later.
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Hmmm. Good, but have to ask:
What's to stop christoislamania from insisting that "its" versions of every historical event and personage be presented equally too? "Let's hear apologetics about Aurangzeb or Tipu. Or the Paki version of Indian history."
Suppose one could insist that only pre-christoislamic eras are given the native, alternative versions of events. (Though christianism is even encroaching on the Sangam era of Tamizh regions to christianise this, by bringing that period further forward in time, and throwing itself further back in time. Then we'll hear - the very recent christian invention - of how that fiction St Thomas originally taught Tiruvalluvar and that Tiruvalluvar and his work was therefore christian etc. <- I don't think that is taught in schools yet.)
Yet if alternative versions are only to be given in the even-more-obviously pre-christoislamic/pre-invasion era, then there is still the threat of Shramanists suddenly agitating to peddle their ur-Shramanism theory as an alternative version. And if enough of them don't insist on it, am sure leftists would.**
Besides, it is *known* - from countless examples littering the web itself - that the concocted ur-Shramanism theory will be far Far More Popular among modern "Hindus" than the Hindu version of ancient history. (And that's not even counting the number of Hindus who would swear by the Buddhist tradition of multiple Buddhas [or Teerthankaras], yet will easily forswear longer-standing Hindu traditions regarding Hindu Gods. :Ugh
Can even consider the number of Hindus who would prefer to imagine the Tiruvalluvar/Tirukkural and Adigal/Silappadikaaram to be "Jain" (or "Buddhist" or whatever), even when the same eventually acknowledge that most of the contents of these works are Hindoo onlee with only patches (also) applicable to anything else.
And what's to stop Hindus from telling other Hindus that PIE must be true/resistance is futile/surrender to appointed=better judgement, as some do? Or, as Rajiv Malhotra once did - before he lately joined the bandwagon (and thereafter got projected as an original/pioneer): in projecting that any Hindus resisting AIT were obsessed by it (post 454 of DNA thread). (I guess by that very late time when Malhotra finally bothered to take note and then started writing Breaking India, his new obsession was now suddenly fashionable, or not an obsession any more when he does it, because in his case it magically becomes scholarly, a.o.t. previous scholars on the subject on whose 'midget'/obsessed shoulders he surely would not have stood? Still galling.)
Don't know, for every suggestion I can already see a countermove by enemies and naysayers or something to rain on the parade.
With today's Indians/India, I've learnt to look out for doom and gloom, rather than continuing to be caught off guard by just this. 'Cause in their hands, it practically never fails to rain on any party, even when the prospect initially looked bright and promising. So better come up with umbrellas or alternate activities, just in case things blow up in Hindus' face Yet Again.
** Can't underestimate the possibility of this. When the Sri-Rama-janmabhoomi issue came up, out of nowhere neo-Buddhist whinies and Jain Minority Forum vocalists propagated articles on the web screeching that it was originally a "Buddhist nay Jain nay Buddhist" temple site, illegally commandeered by Hindus, else that there never was a Hindoo temple there, only a Jain/Buddhist/Jain one and that Rama's temple must have been in Pakistan no Afghanistan no Urheimat.
Besides, Shramanists - not even the fringe - have worked *hard* on the ur-Shramanism theory. Anyone who thinks the Shramanist minority groups will not take the opportunity of having ur-Shramanism taught at last - and otherwise insist their minority rights are being oppressed - is likely to get a rude shock. (Even the major Vipassana peddler insisted that Hindus must acknowledge the ur-Shramanism nonsense and wanted to rope in established authorities on Hindoo heathenism to issue such nonsense.) But I suppose it will be a nice occasion - if Hindus were ever up for it - for exposing the Shramanist lies to the public. All their idiotic and nasty, petty claims - starting from reading themselves into the Vedam and using this to play victim - will be shown up for the lies they are. And if there's one thing the Shramanists *don't* like is being shown to be inveterate liars, after which they are liable to end up in a embarrassed silence. So perhaps they should 'bring it on', instead of passive-aggresively peddling it about the internet in an unofficial manner, as they're doing now, since it can for now still be dismissed as 'merely their opinion/(late) theology' if called out on it? Then again, Hindu Nationalists will remain silent and insist other Hindus do too, to not "offend" the Shramanists and their missionary ploy known as ur-Shramanism. And nothing causes more damage to the Hindoo psyche than rolling over to even those immediately higher up in the food chain, which trick once learned is then naturally repeated in response to those at the top (christoislam).
Items of interest were:
1. indiafacts.co.in/myanmar-retaliation-modis-finest-hour/
2. The interesting suggestion in the comment by "SamDidymus" at:
indiafacts.co.in/plea-for-a-native-national-ideal/