Sanatana Dharma - Aka Hinduism (3rd Bin)

[Husky]

Related to two posts up.



indiafacts.co.in/comrade-yechurys-unyogic-poses/

Regardless of the fact whether pre-Vedic Indians used the appellation Hindu -- which was a much later usage -- Yoga was practiced, preserved and evolved by an unbroken chain of Yogis starting from the pre-vedic days to the most modern times. It is only recently that people other than Hindus have started to make a study of Yoga and its practices.

(I hope that is not cue for introducing ur-Shramanism...)



But it's nonsense. Yoga has been consistently credited to Hiranyagarbha as its first teacher/promulgator. And the very name "Hiranyagarbha" is Vedic Skt onlee. Besides the specific reference being consistently explicated as the God Hiranyagarbha onlee, IIRC read he's regarded as the Ishvara, the first-manifest Parabrahman, creator of the All, in core/famous Upanishads, with whom OM is associated as per these Upanishads, also IIRC. He was not just the creator of the cosmos [HiraNyagarbha is another name for BrahmA], but as first teacher of yoga, he was the Adiguru. (<= Term used in Patanjali yogasutras for Ishvara.)



Moreover, the origins - beginnings - of Yoga can be seen in the Vedam onlee. It was Vedic society that practiced Pranayama, apparently even for properly carrying out rituals (proper recitation), for which purpose it was also developed.



And let's be VERY clear, pre-Vedic society evolved only into Vedic society. NEVER into Vedic + Ajeevika + LokAyata + Jain + Buddhist (+ Sikh) etc.

Ajeevikas, Charvakas, Buddhisms and Jainisms were spin-offs of Vedic religio, or evolved only in contradistinction. Not of anything pre-Vedic.



Finally, IVC is NOT pre-Vedic. And it is associated with Vedic religion.

Can scroll down here (down to the photo captioned with "Harappa Period Chariot from Daimabad, Maharashtra, Source: Upinder Sindh/Sali 1986:477-479") to see obvious ratha-s in IVC. The same link includes a photo captioned with "This copper chariot was found by M.S. Vats, the Director of the ASI, at Harappa. Dates back to 3000 BC. Oldest so far found in world." At least these 2 photos of IVC artifacts are unmistakable. (Meanwhile, IE-ism wants to claim rathas were a development in 1600 BCE - since in Euro/Steppe space they can only trace chariots that far back apparently - and that all IE migrations that brought the 'IE' chariot 'innovation' therefore have about 1600 BCE as a ceiling.)







Won't go into christian communitwit Yechury's debile comments. As far as I'm concerned he can choke on his own vomit. Obviously he's on an agenda mandated by christianism since christianism infesting India is evolving the same new myths/distractions at the same time. Can't be a coincidence.



But this comment points to something:

Radha Rajan



http:// thehindu.com/news/national/international-yoga-day-using-culture-to-hegemonise-people/article7313102.ece



Anuradha Raman in The Hindu. Read this together with Sri Sri's statement and Jaggi Vasudev's statement that Yoga has no religion. At the height of the Ram Janmabhumi movement S Guhan said Ayodhya os [of?] the Ramayanam is not inside India. Anuradha Raman says yoga is from Greece. And read this also with the protests against Gajendra Chauhan's appointment as chief of FTII. The rascals in media and rascals like Ananad Patwardhan had nothing to say when Leela Samson was holding three posts at the same time. The anti-Hindu scum are hysterical.

I'm still waiting for the ur-Shramanists to descend - they will be aided and abetted by the usual Hindu nationalists/subscribers of a universal Indic religion - like they also did regarding Ayodhya.



But here's that link that Radha refers to:



thehindu.com/news/national/international-yoga-day-using-culture-to-hegemonise-people/article7313102.ece

NEW DELHI, June 14, 2015

Updated: June 14, 2015 04:02 IST

News Analysis

Using culture to hegemonise people



Anuradha Raman



(Let me guess. Tamizh. Possibly of brahmin ancestry. Very probably a cryptochristo, of catholic variety. Lots of Tamizh "brahmins" are.

Surprised she's not died of haemorrhaging on her own stupidity. Maybe she should try it? I mean, she can't be worse at it than at "reporting", right?)





"It may not be entirely right to say yoga is Indian as ancient Greece and Rome engaged in similar exercises"





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The article then goes on to describe how Shiva taught yoga to a chosen few after he was satisfied about their intent and preparation. Historian D.N. Jha dismisses the Shiva connect as just a myth, arguing that yoga which is peddled now is vastly different from what it meant -- meditation. "If I remember it right, it is in the Hatha Yoga Pradipika, where there is evidence of postural yoga. [1] It may not be entirely right to say yoga is Indian as ancient Greece and Rome engaged in similar exercises." [2]



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[1] Who's betting Jha just plagiarised Elst's subversion without crediting him? Typical.

"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." Yeah, and next to the nosferatu, the lies travel thick and fast too.



[2] So the catholic Anradha iRaman being an idiot herself has to refer to communist hysterian Jha who then tried to recall right that...

yoga isn't Indian "as ancient Greece and Rome engaged in similar exercises"



With no actual references to primary sources.

(I'm surprised he didn't cite Doniger who had done such hard work to claim that Yoga was European and christian besides.)



But nice try.



Heathen sympathiser with an interest in the truth, classicist Rowland Smith, the learned modern-day biographer of Rome's 4th century Emperor Julian, in illustrating the degree of familiarity that Julian had with then long popular history/documentation regarding Alexander called the Great (4th century B.C.E),

reveals that even in Alexander's era, the gymnosophists (i.e. yogis, and no one is contesting the equation of Greek gymnosophist=reference to what Indians call "yogi") were regarded as 1. something emanating from foreign climes outside Greece (and NOT Rome) and 2. emanating specifically from India; 3. the gymnosophists as per Rowland Smith's translation of the tradition were specifically brahmin gymnosophists. Onlee. (Not even Jain or Buddhist kinds note.)





The GrecoRomans didn't have yoga. And don't claim it.

And I moreover doubt Jha could even identify the points of similarity as he knows them not. But even they do not constitute yoga.





research.ncl.ac.uk/histos/documents/2011.02SmithCastingofJulian.pdf



THE CASTING OF JULIAN THE APOSTATE 'IN THE LIKENESS' OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT: A TOPOS IN ANTIQUE HISTORIOGRAPHY AND ITS MODERN ECHOES

Histos 5 (2011) 44-106, Rowland Smith

p.49

For Julian, 'philosophic interests' meant especially the search for 'true opinions about divinity', and Plutarch pictures Alexander as one of the elect to whom Aristotle had orally transmitted 'secret teachings on arcane matters': he 'never lost the devotion to philosophy innate in him'; in Egypt, he elicits 'secret prophecies' from Ammon's oracle at Siwah to learn better what his own connexion with divinity might be, and attends lectures by the (fictional) philosopher Psammon expatiating on the 'divine element'c to be found in every human mind; in Bactria, he weeps to hear a philosophic theory pro-posing the existence of an infinite plurality of worlds; in India, he [Alexander] quizzes a band of Brahmin gymnosophists to learn their teachings.



[So the earliest Greek contact with ancient India that the west will allow - i.e. that of Alexander the Great - has Alexander learning from "Brahmin gymnosophists"=Brahmin yogis in India. (Besides Hindoo theories on the multiverse, in the pre-Mahayana era and certainly pre-Mahayana presence in Bactria.)

So EVEN IF Greece and Rome exhibited yoga thereafter, the direction surely is from Vedic religion to Greece/Rome, as per the Greek tradition regarding Alexander already long established in Julian's own time.

And why would Alexander have to learn the teachings of Vedic yogis [i.e. yoga] if Alexander's own Greek people already had Yoga? NAH?

After all, Alexander was by all Greek documentation learned in Greek philosophy and religion. So he'd already know it if it was Greek. But it wasn't, which is why he - as per his chroniclers - had to learn about it from the Vedic yogis.

Note also Alexander didn't learn it from Romans, before Jha types start claiming this. Greece had long had outposts in Rome - like Sicily, which was/is ethnically Greek - since well before. And so Alexander would already have known yoga if it had been Roman.

Also, Romans derived a lot of religio-culture from the Greeks - their close ethnic kin - and was never ashamed to admit this.



Further, the fact that ancient Greeks found the practices of the Vedic yogis peculiar and distinct enough to repeatedly comment about this and coin a new term for such Indians -"gymnosophists"- to refer particularly to this (their yoga) - implies that Greeks and Romans did not "similar exercises".]



In the popular tradition, he is treated by one of the Brahmins to a lecture on the fatuity of earthly kingship, and the passage of enlightened souls to a paradisal after-life: 'I myself would wish to cease making war', he confesses to the sage, 'but the master of my soul will not allow it'.

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(There are some interesting questions even implications in the above paragraph, BTW. Nothing new or unknown of course.)

Anyway. The above is certainly more proof - from ancient Greek sources quoted by the great and above-suspicion Classicist Rowland Smith -

than Jha, who's only provided hysterics as evidence for the theories he spouts.



You know Indian christo-communitwits are morons when even I am better at history (well, referring to documented stuffs about it) than their champion hysterians.





And pre-emptively, gymnosophists was a word the Greeks coined specifically for people from India doing certain practices (specifically yoga) - i.e. Greeks coined gymnosophists=yogis/yoga is from India - and which practices had no basis in anything the Greeks themselves knew/were familiar with. That is, there were no "Greek gymnosophists" originally.