My own fault for visiting that "swarajya" ragazine (why is it called that? Parody? Almost like The Hindu/Chindu).
Didn't even notice, but they're peddling Amish Travesty I mean Tripathi's subversionism using an interview.
This bit of a typical new-agey excuse (also the way christians answer such questions, btw):
swarajyamag.com/magazine/an-interview-with-amish-tripathi/
Christians, who've never seen their gawd, also have to refer to "belief" in the gawdly "intervention/inspiration" behind their nonsense.
Meanwhile, any Hindoo who's authentically written works factually divinely inspired [and interceded] by Shiva/any Hindoo God shows how *actual* Gods intervene: directly. Unmistakably. Not via "I feel, I believe" nonsense.
Anyway, "I just open the laptop, and there is this parallel universe that opens up and I record what I see. I discover the story while writing just as much as readers discover the story while reading. ... I am only a channel" describes the writing experience for many fantasy/fiction storytellers. Duh.
E.g. JRRT with LOTR described that in the beginning he merely had a vague notion of getting Frodo to Rivendell, but no idea how this was to actually happen. But as he wrote the story, it unfolded itself to him (and eventually to the readers) the way it did and eventually moved past Rivendell to the War of the Ring and its conclusion.
Another typical example is Miyazaki with Mononoke Hime. He had no idea about the story at all. As he storyboarded it, the story got revealed to him. Storytellers often have no idea. Some may have a minor goalpost or an eventual intermediate one or even an approximate end (e.g. even a common trope like "the good guys won, the bad guys lost and they all lived happily ever after"), many are often clueless of the actual journey and make it when they write.
As JRRT wrote in his now-famous essay on Fantasy/Fairy Tales, it is like channeling from or rather visiting the world of Faerie or Fantasy. Though subversionist nonsense sounds like it's just concocted. Maybe channeled from the World of Tripe?
Amish Travesty sounds like he's ignorant of how the experience of having everything unfold to the writer as s/he writes is rather common to many (most?) fiction storytellers. To use this as an excuse to plead divine inspiration in Travesty's case - when his output is so clearly untraditional as to be simply false (whereas in contrast, Middle-Earth has dollops of truth to it as does Mononoke Hime) - sounds more like Amish Travesty's attempt to infuse authenticity and authority into his anti-traditional subversionism.
The traditional "re-tellers" like Kalidasa and Kamban and countless other Hindoos in India were always true to the originals and were truly divinely inspired. Even if no other proof of the divine inspiration driving their work is offered, it is already there in the degree to which these HindOOs stick to tradition and add authentically to it with further details (also seen in the equally factually divinely-inspired Shaiva/Kaumara Arunagirinathar's refs to unique details about Rama in Ramayanam and Krishna in Mahabharatam & Srimad Bhagavatam that Sri Vaishnava acharyas refer to in lectures to Hindoos as being fully authentic details.) But modern subverted Indians can only manage new age (and subversionist) tripe and - like christians - make desperate refs to invisible forces/non-existent alleged interventions to excuse their inauthentic subversionist accounts. [Of course, from an objective point of view, if Elst can project Rama and Krishna as deified and not as avataaras of (CORRECTION
Vishnu, those who agreed and those who didn't object needn't object when others mete out the same treatment to the same and to Shiva too. When people leave traditional views, they may apply any standards of interpretation, no need to nitpick between them. And need not suddenly start pretending at having some principles now. All subversion is subversion, the difference being merely degree.]
** ADDED: Like Sri Arunagirinathar, IIRC Sri Kalidasa also had a mantra written on his tongue by the Hindoo Gods: Arunagirinathar by Murugan, and Kalidasa by Kali. Tirugnanasambhandar was fed divine milk by Ambaal too and so then came his outpouring of stotras to Uma-Shiva. Others like Adi Shankara at Tiruchendur and Narayana Bhattathiri were granted darshanam by Murugan and Vishnu-Krishna respectively while composing their stotras to these Gods. Etc etc. So their authority and the authenticity inherent in 'their' works on their divine subject matters is not in question. (Though Adi Shankara admits in IIRC the final stotra of the SL that his words actually already belong to his Divine Mother for their very accuracy, and that this essentially cannot be otherwise. And in the SAL he - like all such HindOOs - is constantly repeating accounts about Shiva and his true nature from the Vedas incl. Upanishads, the Puranas, Itihasas, and literature on preceding bhaktas. His own contribution is to offer himself as another in the line of bhaktas.)
Modern Indian readers like at swarajyamag and Rajeev Srinivasan promoting Amish Tripathi of course can't tell nonsense from authenticity or even why such subversion is fundamentally detrimental to heathenism. (Already discussed the essentials here, will try not to repeat.) It changes authentic=correct views, and replaces them with novel=false ones, replacing heathenism with new-ageism/modernist mythology and a pseudo one at that, and de-heathenising the views of heathens too. It becomes 'the original, true way of interpreting/perceiving it', or even an 'alternative "equally" valid' view (something Amish 'argued' in cringeworthy fashion in his interview with recourse to new-agey refs to Hindoo heathenism).
How I hate these talentless hacks (no I haven't read Travesty's works; the allusions in reviews and summaries suffice for me).
- They can't even add to tradition (which can only be done by sticking to tradition, as actual heathens have done ever, but all *those* were factually divinely inspired with direct interventions and such works were therefore not quite attributable to the scribes who merely jotted it down).
- AND the subverted hacks multiplying and proliferating in modern India* have no talent of their own for complete invention either (or else they crave a pre-existing audience as a ready-made market, which may explain their parasiting on Hindoo traditions to supply everything to them for their contortion, unless the aim in doing so is also deliberate mass-subversion). Rather than being able to invent something of their own and leaving heathenism pristine and untarnished, they have to parasite on an existing body of heathenism, murdering it to promote their own replacements.
They replace the true and great sources of heathenism (oh please, does anything compare to the HindOO epics or the Kumarasambhavam etc) with subversionist low-quality gutter nonsense - appreciated by the modern brainless crowds and nationalist vocalists of course, as everything worthless is. Any work truly inspired by the Hindoo Gods would never subvert heathens, but further enhance proper perception of the authentic lives/nature and adventures (accounts) of the Hindoo Gods. By definition.
* Some other commenter at Indiafacts referred to how they were reading something called "Aryavarta Chronicles" as per which anti-Hindu fiction it 'turned out' that the Pandavas were not so heroic or a force for right/dharma after all. <- Apparently such subversionist fictions are given equal weighting to the original sources now. Oddly sounds a bit like the Russian inversion of JRRT's Legendarium in "Black Book of Arda" where Morgoth and Sauron etc were the misunderstood good side... And that has a fandom too. Still inauthentic and would never have a life of its own had it not parasited on JRRT's Legendarium (plagiarism though this itself was of European heathenisms). But that brings me to the other point: even the catholic JRRT was far closer to indicating the nature of Shiva (e.g. even in some features of TB and GB) than most modern Indians describing the same, let alone the descriptions of Amish's humanising of the Gods [sort of like centuries after Chinese rationalists went through that trend. Indians are ever playing catch up?]
Of course JRRT, despite being catholic, was entirely inspired in his Legedarium by the "mythologies" of the Anglo-Saxons and other European heathens, and had to unnaturally work his christianism into it. But everything of authentic ring to it in it - which is most of it - is entirely from European heathenisms. Even his fellow Inkling and fantasy author totally and deliberately infused heathenism into the latter's own fantasy world: all that made it attractive and come across as authentic.
Christian readers, being ignorant of European heathenisms, project that the obviously European-Gods-inspired deities in JRRT's Legendarium are actually a hierarchy of angels. Nonsense. JRRT never concealed his admiration for the heathen sources in which he had specialised and which he worked into his own fantasy. The admiration was to some extent grudging: as he had to admit to himself and ever remembered that they were heathen and not christian. His mangling his own work by tying in christianism into it here and there was his compromise, as his friend Lewis did too: forcing a non-existent monogawd and the false christianism into obviously heathen settings inspired by (and even plagiarised from) actual heathenisms and profuse with heathen Gods who have never known the non-existing monogawd.
Again: Ironic how even the catholic JRRT portrays a more accurate image of heathen Gods (even in features of the aforementioned TB and GB) than modern Indians claiming "Hinduness" can.
And at least, despite the copious plagiarism, JRRT's Legendarium was an authentic, standalone fantasy set in its own world. Not a contortion of existing heathenism, merely inspired by it, and revisited under other names. A sad day when even the christowest should have become more original, more of a true storyteller than 'Hindus'. Let alone more true to heathenism.
For this reason alone, I think it imperative that closet Hindoo fantasy/fiction writers should put their works - especially epic fantasy works - out in the open. And write more. Drown out the visibility of the tripe produced by talentless freaks (as seen in "Aryavarta chronicles" and Amish Travesty) in a stream of actual quality fantasy, invented from the ground up. Fantasy is a realm that is infinite in all directions. And all heathens can visit it easily, regularly and with none of the guarded qualifications of christians like JRRT who had to make the revelations of his journeys there conform to his christianism.***
HindOO fantasy/fiction writers can at least give the undiscerning Hindu audiences an alternative, better quality (actual class) of fantasy and literature, and send garbage (starting with the subversionist kind) to the bin where it belongs.
Grief, the regressive depths modern Indians have descended to. And to think nationalist vocalists/mouthpieces think such output worthy of peddling left and right among Hindus (yet complain about alien demons trying to subvert Hindoos' heathenism by equally subversive means). One of the major things plaguing Indians is a sudden lack or absence of taste. Another disease our heathen ancestors never suffered from.
It's very late, but modern would-be Hindus really need to start getting immunised to stupidity. It's just so lethal to heathens and heathendom's civilisation.
It's my own incorrigible stupidity for visiting "nationalist" sites like Swarajya. Modern ("Hindu-origin") Indians are beyond salvaging: they *are* the ultimate cause of their own (heathenism's) downfall. Nothing is going to change. Why do I keep imagining things will? Like it's not going to go only downhill. As if there should be some larger arc to all this relentless, endless stupidity, or some eventual reason to counteract and offset it. But what reason can there even be? Modern Indians are a black hole. Debilitating, debile. Every bloody thing of great value has become wasted on them (almost as wasted as on alien dabbling demons/"converts"; never a good sign). No wonder modern Indics have let subversionism and christoislamania takeover: they are subvertible. Everything that can possibly go wrong magically does go wrong with modern Indians: Everything they can possibly do wrong, they *will* do wrong. How is this even possible? It's like some nightmare. It's just insane. Statistically you'd think this was beyond unlikely.
Disgusting. Hindoos need to cut off the gangrene and let these come to a natural end (sooner not later). And Hindoos need to avoid subversionists like the plague and always be on the lookout for subversionism: especially start looking for it in those who claim Hindu-ness. There's too much at stake and too much to lose. Heathenism in the world at large can't afford any more losses, or the story of mankind will have a very bleak ending, and mid-way, followed by a long forward tail (into the future) of nothingness/nothing much truly worthwhile.
This post is yet another long spammy complaint.
ADDED:
*** "And all heathens can visit it easily, regularly and with none of the guarded qualifications of christians like JRRT who had to make the revelations of his journeys there conform to his christianism."
And consider how Lewis tried to better sell christianism by very deliberately coating it in the more attractive heathenism. Lewis peddled christianism because its inculturations on European heathenisms was all that 'remained' of the latter. European heathen reconstructionists argued with direct quotes from Lewis how he seemed to have a clear bent for "paganism". He IIRC further argued that the only remaining 2 paganisms in the world were "christianism and Hinduism", that people should therefore follow one of these two, since islam and Buddhism were mere heresies of them (of christianity and Hinduism respectively). However, christianism is not a paganism but a heresy of Judaism. As with Buddhism, christianism looks like a 'paganism' to ignorants because of its deadly inculturations on actual heathenisms which it replaced.
Didn't even notice, but they're peddling Amish Travesty I mean Tripathi's subversionism using an interview.
This bit of a typical new-agey excuse (also the way christians answer such questions, btw):
swarajyamag.com/magazine/an-interview-with-amish-tripathi/
Quote:Your plots are very finely crafted, with twists and turns, and people changing allegiances. How do you do that? Are you still using Excel sheets that you relied on as a banker?
No, I am certainly not using Excel anymore to chart my plotlines. I wish I could explain, in a manner others may consider ââ¬Årationalââ¬Â, how these plots come to me. But I canââ¬â¢t. I just open the laptop, and there is this parallel universe that opens up and I record what I see. I discover the story while writing just as much as readers discover the story while reading. So I know it may sound strange but I genuinely believe that these stories are the blessings of Lord Shiva. I am only a channel. I am only someone who is lucky enough to receive this blessing.
Christians, who've never seen their gawd, also have to refer to "belief" in the gawdly "intervention/inspiration" behind their nonsense.
Meanwhile, any Hindoo who's authentically written works factually divinely inspired [and interceded] by Shiva/any Hindoo God shows how *actual* Gods intervene: directly. Unmistakably. Not via "I feel, I believe" nonsense.
Anyway, "I just open the laptop, and there is this parallel universe that opens up and I record what I see. I discover the story while writing just as much as readers discover the story while reading. ... I am only a channel" describes the writing experience for many fantasy/fiction storytellers. Duh.
E.g. JRRT with LOTR described that in the beginning he merely had a vague notion of getting Frodo to Rivendell, but no idea how this was to actually happen. But as he wrote the story, it unfolded itself to him (and eventually to the readers) the way it did and eventually moved past Rivendell to the War of the Ring and its conclusion.
Another typical example is Miyazaki with Mononoke Hime. He had no idea about the story at all. As he storyboarded it, the story got revealed to him. Storytellers often have no idea. Some may have a minor goalpost or an eventual intermediate one or even an approximate end (e.g. even a common trope like "the good guys won, the bad guys lost and they all lived happily ever after"), many are often clueless of the actual journey and make it when they write.
As JRRT wrote in his now-famous essay on Fantasy/Fairy Tales, it is like channeling from or rather visiting the world of Faerie or Fantasy. Though subversionist nonsense sounds like it's just concocted. Maybe channeled from the World of Tripe?
Amish Travesty sounds like he's ignorant of how the experience of having everything unfold to the writer as s/he writes is rather common to many (most?) fiction storytellers. To use this as an excuse to plead divine inspiration in Travesty's case - when his output is so clearly untraditional as to be simply false (whereas in contrast, Middle-Earth has dollops of truth to it as does Mononoke Hime) - sounds more like Amish Travesty's attempt to infuse authenticity and authority into his anti-traditional subversionism.
The traditional "re-tellers" like Kalidasa and Kamban and countless other Hindoos in India were always true to the originals and were truly divinely inspired. Even if no other proof of the divine inspiration driving their work is offered, it is already there in the degree to which these HindOOs stick to tradition and add authentically to it with further details (also seen in the equally factually divinely-inspired Shaiva/Kaumara Arunagirinathar's refs to unique details about Rama in Ramayanam and Krishna in Mahabharatam & Srimad Bhagavatam that Sri Vaishnava acharyas refer to in lectures to Hindoos as being fully authentic details.) But modern subverted Indians can only manage new age (and subversionist) tripe and - like christians - make desperate refs to invisible forces/non-existent alleged interventions to excuse their inauthentic subversionist accounts. [Of course, from an objective point of view, if Elst can project Rama and Krishna as deified and not as avataaras of (CORRECTION
Vishnu, those who agreed and those who didn't object needn't object when others mete out the same treatment to the same and to Shiva too. When people leave traditional views, they may apply any standards of interpretation, no need to nitpick between them. And need not suddenly start pretending at having some principles now. All subversion is subversion, the difference being merely degree.]** ADDED: Like Sri Arunagirinathar, IIRC Sri Kalidasa also had a mantra written on his tongue by the Hindoo Gods: Arunagirinathar by Murugan, and Kalidasa by Kali. Tirugnanasambhandar was fed divine milk by Ambaal too and so then came his outpouring of stotras to Uma-Shiva. Others like Adi Shankara at Tiruchendur and Narayana Bhattathiri were granted darshanam by Murugan and Vishnu-Krishna respectively while composing their stotras to these Gods. Etc etc. So their authority and the authenticity inherent in 'their' works on their divine subject matters is not in question. (Though Adi Shankara admits in IIRC the final stotra of the SL that his words actually already belong to his Divine Mother for their very accuracy, and that this essentially cannot be otherwise. And in the SAL he - like all such HindOOs - is constantly repeating accounts about Shiva and his true nature from the Vedas incl. Upanishads, the Puranas, Itihasas, and literature on preceding bhaktas. His own contribution is to offer himself as another in the line of bhaktas.)
Modern Indian readers like at swarajyamag and Rajeev Srinivasan promoting Amish Tripathi of course can't tell nonsense from authenticity or even why such subversion is fundamentally detrimental to heathenism. (Already discussed the essentials here, will try not to repeat.) It changes authentic=correct views, and replaces them with novel=false ones, replacing heathenism with new-ageism/modernist mythology and a pseudo one at that, and de-heathenising the views of heathens too. It becomes 'the original, true way of interpreting/perceiving it', or even an 'alternative "equally" valid' view (something Amish 'argued' in cringeworthy fashion in his interview with recourse to new-agey refs to Hindoo heathenism).
How I hate these talentless hacks (no I haven't read Travesty's works; the allusions in reviews and summaries suffice for me).
- They can't even add to tradition (which can only be done by sticking to tradition, as actual heathens have done ever, but all *those* were factually divinely inspired with direct interventions and such works were therefore not quite attributable to the scribes who merely jotted it down).
- AND the subverted hacks multiplying and proliferating in modern India* have no talent of their own for complete invention either (or else they crave a pre-existing audience as a ready-made market, which may explain their parasiting on Hindoo traditions to supply everything to them for their contortion, unless the aim in doing so is also deliberate mass-subversion). Rather than being able to invent something of their own and leaving heathenism pristine and untarnished, they have to parasite on an existing body of heathenism, murdering it to promote their own replacements.
They replace the true and great sources of heathenism (oh please, does anything compare to the HindOO epics or the Kumarasambhavam etc) with subversionist low-quality gutter nonsense - appreciated by the modern brainless crowds and nationalist vocalists of course, as everything worthless is. Any work truly inspired by the Hindoo Gods would never subvert heathens, but further enhance proper perception of the authentic lives/nature and adventures (accounts) of the Hindoo Gods. By definition.
* Some other commenter at Indiafacts referred to how they were reading something called "Aryavarta Chronicles" as per which anti-Hindu fiction it 'turned out' that the Pandavas were not so heroic or a force for right/dharma after all. <- Apparently such subversionist fictions are given equal weighting to the original sources now. Oddly sounds a bit like the Russian inversion of JRRT's Legendarium in "Black Book of Arda" where Morgoth and Sauron etc were the misunderstood good side... And that has a fandom too. Still inauthentic and would never have a life of its own had it not parasited on JRRT's Legendarium (plagiarism though this itself was of European heathenisms). But that brings me to the other point: even the catholic JRRT was far closer to indicating the nature of Shiva (e.g. even in some features of TB and GB) than most modern Indians describing the same, let alone the descriptions of Amish's humanising of the Gods [sort of like centuries after Chinese rationalists went through that trend. Indians are ever playing catch up?]
Of course JRRT, despite being catholic, was entirely inspired in his Legedarium by the "mythologies" of the Anglo-Saxons and other European heathens, and had to unnaturally work his christianism into it. But everything of authentic ring to it in it - which is most of it - is entirely from European heathenisms. Even his fellow Inkling and fantasy author totally and deliberately infused heathenism into the latter's own fantasy world: all that made it attractive and come across as authentic.
Christian readers, being ignorant of European heathenisms, project that the obviously European-Gods-inspired deities in JRRT's Legendarium are actually a hierarchy of angels. Nonsense. JRRT never concealed his admiration for the heathen sources in which he had specialised and which he worked into his own fantasy. The admiration was to some extent grudging: as he had to admit to himself and ever remembered that they were heathen and not christian. His mangling his own work by tying in christianism into it here and there was his compromise, as his friend Lewis did too: forcing a non-existent monogawd and the false christianism into obviously heathen settings inspired by (and even plagiarised from) actual heathenisms and profuse with heathen Gods who have never known the non-existing monogawd.
Again: Ironic how even the catholic JRRT portrays a more accurate image of heathen Gods (even in features of the aforementioned TB and GB) than modern Indians claiming "Hinduness" can.
And at least, despite the copious plagiarism, JRRT's Legendarium was an authentic, standalone fantasy set in its own world. Not a contortion of existing heathenism, merely inspired by it, and revisited under other names. A sad day when even the christowest should have become more original, more of a true storyteller than 'Hindus'. Let alone more true to heathenism.
For this reason alone, I think it imperative that closet Hindoo fantasy/fiction writers should put their works - especially epic fantasy works - out in the open. And write more. Drown out the visibility of the tripe produced by talentless freaks (as seen in "Aryavarta chronicles" and Amish Travesty) in a stream of actual quality fantasy, invented from the ground up. Fantasy is a realm that is infinite in all directions. And all heathens can visit it easily, regularly and with none of the guarded qualifications of christians like JRRT who had to make the revelations of his journeys there conform to his christianism.***
HindOO fantasy/fiction writers can at least give the undiscerning Hindu audiences an alternative, better quality (actual class) of fantasy and literature, and send garbage (starting with the subversionist kind) to the bin where it belongs.
Grief, the regressive depths modern Indians have descended to. And to think nationalist vocalists/mouthpieces think such output worthy of peddling left and right among Hindus (yet complain about alien demons trying to subvert Hindoos' heathenism by equally subversive means). One of the major things plaguing Indians is a sudden lack or absence of taste. Another disease our heathen ancestors never suffered from.
It's very late, but modern would-be Hindus really need to start getting immunised to stupidity. It's just so lethal to heathens and heathendom's civilisation.
It's my own incorrigible stupidity for visiting "nationalist" sites like Swarajya. Modern ("Hindu-origin") Indians are beyond salvaging: they *are* the ultimate cause of their own (heathenism's) downfall. Nothing is going to change. Why do I keep imagining things will? Like it's not going to go only downhill. As if there should be some larger arc to all this relentless, endless stupidity, or some eventual reason to counteract and offset it. But what reason can there even be? Modern Indians are a black hole. Debilitating, debile. Every bloody thing of great value has become wasted on them (almost as wasted as on alien dabbling demons/"converts"; never a good sign). No wonder modern Indics have let subversionism and christoislamania takeover: they are subvertible. Everything that can possibly go wrong magically does go wrong with modern Indians: Everything they can possibly do wrong, they *will* do wrong. How is this even possible? It's like some nightmare. It's just insane. Statistically you'd think this was beyond unlikely.
Disgusting. Hindoos need to cut off the gangrene and let these come to a natural end (sooner not later). And Hindoos need to avoid subversionists like the plague and always be on the lookout for subversionism: especially start looking for it in those who claim Hindu-ness. There's too much at stake and too much to lose. Heathenism in the world at large can't afford any more losses, or the story of mankind will have a very bleak ending, and mid-way, followed by a long forward tail (into the future) of nothingness/nothing much truly worthwhile.
This post is yet another long spammy complaint.
ADDED:
*** "And all heathens can visit it easily, regularly and with none of the guarded qualifications of christians like JRRT who had to make the revelations of his journeys there conform to his christianism."
And consider how Lewis tried to better sell christianism by very deliberately coating it in the more attractive heathenism. Lewis peddled christianism because its inculturations on European heathenisms was all that 'remained' of the latter. European heathen reconstructionists argued with direct quotes from Lewis how he seemed to have a clear bent for "paganism". He IIRC further argued that the only remaining 2 paganisms in the world were "christianism and Hinduism", that people should therefore follow one of these two, since islam and Buddhism were mere heresies of them (of christianity and Hinduism respectively). However, christianism is not a paganism but a heresy of Judaism. As with Buddhism, christianism looks like a 'paganism' to ignorants because of its deadly inculturations on actual heathenisms which it replaced.