Dhu, could you be more verbose/explain more, as I couldn't follow along with all of your analysis?
Note that, as indicated in 2 posts up, the prophecy is independent from the map: the prophecy is from a European source (some Baba Vanga), while the map was released by ISIS itself. The two have nothing to do with each other and were merely mentioned in one and the same news report in one source (not the others).
The map is what is of importance to Hindoos and other nationalists. The prophecy is irrelevant and the only reason for mentioning it was to wonder at the strange obsession with dubious supernaturalism/superstition among so-called rational modern Europe.
On the matter of this post:
- Tajikistan 98% muslim, majority Sunni, as per wikipedia.
- earlier in 2015, The Diplomat and The Guardian had reported on Tajikistan banning the islamic beard
- 3 days ago Al Jazeera reported on Tajikistan cracking down on beards and male islamic dress to prevent radicalisation
- 2 days ago, BBC picked up on the same news item and so did Paki online news papers, which may have got the news from either Al Jazeera or BBC
- While I am aware that Al Jazeera started off as a local branch/satellite the BBC that became independent, it is interesting that even after the split, BBC gets its news from the islamic news source. (Though often BBC sounds more openly islamic and even like a mouthpiece and apologist for jihadis than Al Jazeera. But that might also explain the continued close connection between BBC and its islamic counterpart AJ.)
1. aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/tajikistan-shaves-13000-men-beards-radicalism-160120133352747.html
Question: when an islamic majority country can do this, why can't secular India do the same - a nation where the majority is still non-monotheist (I can't say majority heathen Hindu, since I estimate heathen Hindus comprise little more than 30%, since I'm not counting 1. new ageists, 2. de-heathenising, 3. non-heathens who call themselves Hindu, 4. those who pay lip service and then turn around and attack Hindus, and 5. cryptochristians who register as Hindu in the census).
For an islamic majority country like Tajikistan to enforce secular laws on muslims may result in an islamic backlash/revolution. They need to be careful. For now they're lucky that they're not on the west/america's hitlist. Else the islamic revolutions America pulled recently in the middle-east may be repeated in Tajikistan and it will become like Afghanistan and Iraq/Syria.
America leaves shariah-based islamic republics in the wake of its meddling everywhere, regularly supporting jihad in India too via its NGOs, media and other meddling (the Twitter head for India was a muslim or something).
www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35372754
2. theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/07/tajikistans-beard-ban-facial-hair-emomali-rahmon
3. thediplomat.com/2015/04/tajikistan-no-hajj-no-hijab-and-shave-your-beard/
The way these news items about Tajikistan are reported - with increased frequency as well as sympathy for the "oppressed" muslims of Tajikistan (such as the final phrase above of "Tajikistan's crackdown on islam") - makes me feel like the islamic apologist BBC, the islamic Al Jazeera and islam-friendly America (which is friendly to any islam outside its own borders) are all trying to bring the ummah's attention to Tajikistan and stoke up jihadi ire against it.
I wouldn't be surprised if sometime hereafter Tajikistan were to be more directly drawn into the ISIS/AQ strife, with the islamaniac party suddenly getting to power there encouraged by IS success in the Levant, all with such western management as present in the reporting above.
Consider: when has the western international media ever even reported on the Indian oppression of Hindu religion in temples, education (Hindu schools), and everything? Where in India such discrimination is institutional - constitutional even as detailed by others - and has been since independence (and British rule before that).
Yet the same western media has gone out of its way to sympathise with the muslims oppressed by the Tajikistan government's recent crackdown on islam. (Note that TheDiplomat and TheGuardian reported on Tajikistan's situation months before Al Jazeera, so the story seems to have been of interest to western media independent of islamic news sources.)
The contrast between western media not ever reporting on Indian constitutional oppression of Hinduism vs eagerly reporting on recent Tajikistani governmental "oppression" of islam implies that the west seeks to draw attention to this situation for some nefarious purpose of its own. This seems to also be indicated by the fact that all these news reports seem to show some latent sympathy to islamania rather than the sensible Tajiki govt (comparable to how the west sympathised with islamania when news broke of similar Chinese governmental suppression of islamania).
In other news, facilitators (or outright promoters) of evangelism/monotheism in India - google, and possibly twitter etc - have announced that they will try to make isis sites and persons invisible on the visible web, dismissing them to the dark/deep web which is harder to search in.
This is just deferring the problem and may merely be forcing islamaniacs to create technical alternatives to index, search and connect the deep web in such a manner that western authorities can't monitor it, and empower islamania to find ways of subverting and hurting the open parts of the web too thereby.
In many respects, having islamania out in the open is better: more instructive, easier to monitor, less encouragement for islam to become more independent and developing its own parallel technologies.
(From what I remember coming across somewhere, India was to have been forced to create its own supercomputers after being denied the technology by western powers.)
Anyway, what will, be will be. Nothing to do be done for it. But I suppose none of this means that the islamaniac head of Twitter India is going to be deposed. No one in the west would want that: the west still wants the non-conforming heathen and independent India converted to christoislamania, even jihaded if need be, into compliance.
On the topic of Tajikistan, personally, I think there's a lesson to be learned from that country's current governance. It is that, even in a massively (Sunni) majority islamic nation, a powerful government can control islamania to some degree for some time.
Theoretically India should be able to too. Except for the western meddling in Indian affairs (the latest being the "intolerance" drama) and their Indian footsoldiers - the christocommunist facilitators of jihad - both of whom act in tandem to empower jihad in India and simultaneously to strip secular Indian government of power to enforce true secularism let alone to enforce any measures to discourage islamania in India.
Note that, as indicated in 2 posts up, the prophecy is independent from the map: the prophecy is from a European source (some Baba Vanga), while the map was released by ISIS itself. The two have nothing to do with each other and were merely mentioned in one and the same news report in one source (not the others).
The map is what is of importance to Hindoos and other nationalists. The prophecy is irrelevant and the only reason for mentioning it was to wonder at the strange obsession with dubious supernaturalism/superstition among so-called rational modern Europe.
On the matter of this post:
- Tajikistan 98% muslim, majority Sunni, as per wikipedia.
- earlier in 2015, The Diplomat and The Guardian had reported on Tajikistan banning the islamic beard
- 3 days ago Al Jazeera reported on Tajikistan cracking down on beards and male islamic dress to prevent radicalisation
- 2 days ago, BBC picked up on the same news item and so did Paki online news papers, which may have got the news from either Al Jazeera or BBC
- While I am aware that Al Jazeera started off as a local branch/satellite the BBC that became independent, it is interesting that even after the split, BBC gets its news from the islamic news source. (Though often BBC sounds more openly islamic and even like a mouthpiece and apologist for jihadis than Al Jazeera. But that might also explain the continued close connection between BBC and its islamic counterpart AJ.)
1. aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/tajikistan-shaves-13000-men-beards-radicalism-160120133352747.html
Quote:Tajikistan shaves 13,000 beards in 'radicalism' battle
Police says more than 160 shops selling headscarves are also closed as part of a fight against "foreign" influences.
21 Jan 2016 08:11 GMT | Tajikistan, Asia, Religion
Tajikistan has struggled with poverty and instability since independence more than two decades ago [File: Igor Kovalenko/EPA]
Police in Tajikistan have shaved nearly 13,000 people's beards and closed more than 160 shops selling traditional Muslim clothing last year as part of the country's fight against what it calls "foreign" influences.
Bahrom Sharifzoda, the head of the south-west Khathlon region's police, said at a press conference on Wednesday that the law enforcement services convinced more than 1,700 women and girls to stop wearing headscarves in the Muslim-majority Central Asian country.
The move is seen as part of efforts to battle what authorities deem "radicalism".
Tajikistan's secular leadership has long sought to prevent an overspill of what it sees as unwelcome traditions from neighbouring Afghanistan.
Last week, the country's parliament voted to ban Arabic-sounding "foreign" names as well as marriages between first cousins.
The legislation is expected to be approved by President Emomali Rahmon, who has taken steps to promote secularism and discourage beliefs and practices that he sees as foreign or a threat to the stability of Tajikistan, Radio Liberty said.
READ MORE: Tajikistan poised to slide back towards war
In September, Tajikistan's Supreme Court banned the country's only registered Islamic political party, the Islamic Renaissance Party of Tajikistan.
Rahmon has ruled Tajikistan since 1994 and his current presidential term is expected to end in 2020.
In December, the parliament granted the president and his family life-long immunity from prosecution, giving Rahmon the title "Leader of the nation" and officially designating him "the founder of peace and national unity of Tajikistan".
The country of 7.1 million people has struggled with poverty and instability since independence from the Soviet Union more than two decades ago. It remains heavily dependent on Russia, where the majority of Tajik people go for work.
According to unofficial estimates, there are more than 2,000 Tajiks fighting in Syria.
Source: Al Jazeera And DPA
Question: when an islamic majority country can do this, why can't secular India do the same - a nation where the majority is still non-monotheist (I can't say majority heathen Hindu, since I estimate heathen Hindus comprise little more than 30%, since I'm not counting 1. new ageists, 2. de-heathenising, 3. non-heathens who call themselves Hindu, 4. those who pay lip service and then turn around and attack Hindus, and 5. cryptochristians who register as Hindu in the census).
For an islamic majority country like Tajikistan to enforce secular laws on muslims may result in an islamic backlash/revolution. They need to be careful. For now they're lucky that they're not on the west/america's hitlist. Else the islamic revolutions America pulled recently in the middle-east may be repeated in Tajikistan and it will become like Afghanistan and Iraq/Syria.
America leaves shariah-based islamic republics in the wake of its meddling everywhere, regularly supporting jihad in India too via its NGOs, media and other meddling (the Twitter head for India was a muslim or something).
www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35372754
Quote:Tajikistan's battle against beards to 'fight radicalisation ...
www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35372754
2 days ago - In Tajikistan, countering radicalisation involves banning beards, hijabs, and Arabic-sounding names, as the BBC's Anora Sarkorova reports.
2. theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/07/tajikistans-beard-ban-facial-hair-emomali-rahmon
Quote:The men evading Tajikistan's de-facto beard ban
Reports indicate the government is clamping down on facial hair on religious grounds, but the rules donââ¬â¢t seem to apply to all. Global Voices Online reports
Monday 7 September 2015 10.38 BST
3. thediplomat.com/2015/04/tajikistan-no-hajj-no-hijab-and-shave-your-beard/
Quote:Tajikistan: No Hajj, No Hijab, and Shave Your Beard
(Meanwhile, India has Hindu temples subsidise muslims' hajj.
Tajikistan's rulers are more Hindu nationalist than those in India...)
In a Muslim-majority country, state control of religious expression tightens.
Putz_Catherine
By Catherine Putz
April 17, 2015
Technically, freedom of religion is enshrined in the constitution of Tajikistan. But in reality, religious practiceââ¬âat least for members of the countryââ¬â¢s Muslim majorityââ¬âis tightly controlled by the state. In recent months, Tajikistan has further steadied its grip on the practice of Islam with the president commenting on proper attire, reports of forced beard-shavings, and new regulations on who can travel to Mecca on hajj.
Until last monthââ¬â¢s parliamentary elections, Tajikistan was the only Central Asian state in which political Islam had representation. The Islamic Renaissance Party of Tajikistan (IRPT) is widely touted as the only legally registered religious party in the region. While true, in the March election (unsurprisingly flawed) the IRPT lost, and for the first time since its legalization following the civil war will be out of government entirely. To add insult to injury the countryââ¬â¢s official religious bodies have called for the IRPT to be banned, and some have suggested it should be labeled a terrorist organization.
The tightening grip of the state on Islam extends beyond politics. The State Committee on Religious Affairs (CRA) is responsible for overseeing and implementing laws relating to religionââ¬âincluding registration of religious groups, regulation of imports of religious materials, and oversight of mosques and churches. The Council of Ulema guides the Tajik Muslim community and while nominally independent, presents a state-approved version of Islam.
There are laws on the books banning female students from wearing hijabs, prohibiting those under the age of 18 from from participating in public religious activities, except funerals, which are regulated anyway. According to the U.S. Department of Stateââ¬â¢s 2013 International Religious Freedom Report:
The law regulates private celebrations and funeral services, including weddings and Mavludi Payghambar (the Prophet Muhammadââ¬â¢s birthday). The law limits the number of guests, eliminates engagement parties, and controls ceremonial gift presentations and other rituals. The religion law reiterates these principles, mandating that ââ¬Åmass worship, religious traditions, and ceremonies should be carried out according to the procedure of holding meetings, rallies, demonstrations, and peaceful processions prescribed by law.ââ¬Â
State control of religious expression extends to personal dress and grooming. In January 2014, Tajik Imams were issued new uniforms, and Abdulfattoh Shafiev wrote recently for Global Voices about several incidents of forced beard-shaving.
On March 31 a visitor to Khujand lost his way, and asked a local policeman how to find it again. The 38-year-old man, who grew a beard after a pilgrimage to the Kaaba five years ago, soon regretted his question.
He claims he was taken to a police station, beaten, and forcefully shaved.
As in the other former Soviet republics of Central Asia, the government of Tajikistan is fiercely secular while the people are mostly Muslim. The influence of Soviet communism on religion in the region should not be discounted, and fundamentally influences the relationship between people, their religion, and politics. In a paper published by Chatham House last November, John Heathershaw, and David W. Montgomery identify the claim that political Islam opposes the secular state as one of the six myths of post-Soviet Muslim radicalization in Central Asia. Myth or not, the worry that political Islam could challenge the establishment, persists.
This week, Interfax reported that the CRA said in a press conference that only people over the age of 35 would be among those permitted to perform the annual pilgrimage (hajj) to the Islamic holy sites at Medina and Mecca this year. CRA is responsible for registering those who wish to travel for hajj. Saudi Arabia, which establishes national quotas in order to regulate the overwhelming flood of faithful each year, has reportedly lowered Tajikistanââ¬â¢s quota from 8,000 to 6,300 people.
One way to view the Tajik governmentââ¬â¢s age restriction is practicalityââ¬âthis is an easy way to trim the applicant pool. But in light of other trends, and the governmentââ¬â¢s overwhelming fear of youth radicalization, the dictum feeds into a larger narrative chronicling Tajikistanââ¬â¢s crackdown on Islam.
The way these news items about Tajikistan are reported - with increased frequency as well as sympathy for the "oppressed" muslims of Tajikistan (such as the final phrase above of "Tajikistan's crackdown on islam") - makes me feel like the islamic apologist BBC, the islamic Al Jazeera and islam-friendly America (which is friendly to any islam outside its own borders) are all trying to bring the ummah's attention to Tajikistan and stoke up jihadi ire against it.
I wouldn't be surprised if sometime hereafter Tajikistan were to be more directly drawn into the ISIS/AQ strife, with the islamaniac party suddenly getting to power there encouraged by IS success in the Levant, all with such western management as present in the reporting above.
Consider: when has the western international media ever even reported on the Indian oppression of Hindu religion in temples, education (Hindu schools), and everything? Where in India such discrimination is institutional - constitutional even as detailed by others - and has been since independence (and British rule before that).
Yet the same western media has gone out of its way to sympathise with the muslims oppressed by the Tajikistan government's recent crackdown on islam. (Note that TheDiplomat and TheGuardian reported on Tajikistan's situation months before Al Jazeera, so the story seems to have been of interest to western media independent of islamic news sources.)
The contrast between western media not ever reporting on Indian constitutional oppression of Hinduism vs eagerly reporting on recent Tajikistani governmental "oppression" of islam implies that the west seeks to draw attention to this situation for some nefarious purpose of its own. This seems to also be indicated by the fact that all these news reports seem to show some latent sympathy to islamania rather than the sensible Tajiki govt (comparable to how the west sympathised with islamania when news broke of similar Chinese governmental suppression of islamania).
In other news, facilitators (or outright promoters) of evangelism/monotheism in India - google, and possibly twitter etc - have announced that they will try to make isis sites and persons invisible on the visible web, dismissing them to the dark/deep web which is harder to search in.
This is just deferring the problem and may merely be forcing islamaniacs to create technical alternatives to index, search and connect the deep web in such a manner that western authorities can't monitor it, and empower islamania to find ways of subverting and hurting the open parts of the web too thereby.
In many respects, having islamania out in the open is better: more instructive, easier to monitor, less encouragement for islam to become more independent and developing its own parallel technologies.
(From what I remember coming across somewhere, India was to have been forced to create its own supercomputers after being denied the technology by western powers.)
Anyway, what will, be will be. Nothing to do be done for it. But I suppose none of this means that the islamaniac head of Twitter India is going to be deposed. No one in the west would want that: the west still wants the non-conforming heathen and independent India converted to christoislamania, even jihaded if need be, into compliance.
On the topic of Tajikistan, personally, I think there's a lesson to be learned from that country's current governance. It is that, even in a massively (Sunni) majority islamic nation, a powerful government can control islamania to some degree for some time.
Theoretically India should be able to too. Except for the western meddling in Indian affairs (the latest being the "intolerance" drama) and their Indian footsoldiers - the christocommunist facilitators of jihad - both of whom act in tandem to empower jihad in India and simultaneously to strip secular Indian government of power to enforce true secularism let alone to enforce any measures to discourage islamania in India.