02-25-2016, 02:24 AM
[quote name='Husky' date='24 February 2016 - 03:26 AM' timestamp='1456301885' post='117941']
I think varnashrama dharma was attested long before either of them or Adi Shankaracharya's time.
Varnas are already present in the Veda, through the MBh including Gita.
[In fact, Buddhism and Jainism did their usual trick (as what they did to Samskritam and a lot of other Hindu stuff): after screeching about the matter, they both tried to coopt varnas' invention as well, by coming up with backprojected stories about how a backprojected Buddha or mythical primordial Buddhist king or something came up with the yugas and varnas, and how a teerthankara established the varnas, respectively.]
Qs for you:
1. The fact that you highlight that Ramanujacharya and Sridhara Swami's writings both attest to varnashrama dharma,
is that because:
[a] you are surprised varnas still existed in their time? (even though varnas still exist somewhat today)
[b] you thought it did not yet exist in their time and were surprised to find it did?
[c] you have some other reason to bring the matter up? If so, what?
2. Also, why do you bring varna(ashrama) up in the "caste" thread?
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1) [d] All of the above. According to certain narratives of Indian (South Asian?) history, Hinduism as we know it was developed in response to the rise of Sramanic traditions, and experienced a revival under the period of British rule.
2) It felt like the most appropriate place to put it. After all, the title of this thread is "History of Caste".
I think varnashrama dharma was attested long before either of them or Adi Shankaracharya's time.
Varnas are already present in the Veda, through the MBh including Gita.
[In fact, Buddhism and Jainism did their usual trick (as what they did to Samskritam and a lot of other Hindu stuff): after screeching about the matter, they both tried to coopt varnas' invention as well, by coming up with backprojected stories about how a backprojected Buddha or mythical primordial Buddhist king or something came up with the yugas and varnas, and how a teerthankara established the varnas, respectively.]
Qs for you:
1. The fact that you highlight that Ramanujacharya and Sridhara Swami's writings both attest to varnashrama dharma,
is that because:
[a] you are surprised varnas still existed in their time? (even though varnas still exist somewhat today)
[b] you thought it did not yet exist in their time and were surprised to find it did?
[c] you have some other reason to bring the matter up? If so, what?
2. Also, why do you bring varna(ashrama) up in the "caste" thread?
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1) [d] All of the above. According to certain narratives of Indian (South Asian?) history, Hinduism as we know it was developed in response to the rise of Sramanic traditions, and experienced a revival under the period of British rule.
2) It felt like the most appropriate place to put it. After all, the title of this thread is "History of Caste".

