03-29-2005, 10:26 PM
Recent reply from Kalavai Venkat to Sandeep Pandey..
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IndianCivili...n/message/73092
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The likes of Mr. Pandey can't hide behind the name of Gandhi forever. Nor can they evoke the Hindutva bogey every time and deflect attention. Perhaps, Mr. Pandey or somebody from ASHA can answer the following:
In Kashmir, 7, 00,000 Hindus have been ethnic cleansed by Islamic terrorists. Of these, 4, 00,000 are still languishing in refugee camps. The Kashmiri Pandits were ordered to get out and newspaper advertisements were carried to that effect. The mosques across the Valley ominously threatened the Pandits to evict the Valley. The Muslim majority and the government in Kashmir continue to patronize the same newspapers by subscribing to them and releasing government advertising. They continue to patronize the same mosques from where calls were made for the cleansing of the Pandits. I would like to know how often Mr. Pandey and ASHA protested these state sponsored, religiously inspired Islamic atrocities committed on the defenseless Hindu minority of Kashmir. Have they ever condemned the Kashmir government, Pakistani abettors and the Muslim majority of Kashmir for the plight of the Kashmiri Pandits?
A few samples of the hardened Islamic slogans deployed to chase the Pandits out - http://www.ikashmir.org/Miscellaneous/Slogans.html:
⢠Kashmir main rahna hai, Allah-ho-Akbar Kahna hoga. (If you choose to live in Kashmir, you will have to say Allah-o- Akbar).
⢠Asi gachi Pakistan, Bata ros ta batanev san.
(We want Pakistan, with Kashmiri Hindu women and without their men-folk).
⢠Allah-o-Akbar, Musalmano jago Kafiro bhago, jehad aa raha hai.
(Allah-o-Akbar, arise and awake Muslims, buzz off infidels, jehad is approaching.)
⢠Kashmir kya banega - Pakistan
(What will Kashmir be - Pakistan)
⢠Zalimo O, Kafiro, Kashmir hamara chhod do
(Ye cruel Kafirs (infidels) vacate our Kashmir)
⢠Yahan kya chalega, Nizam - e - Mustafa
(What will have sway here - Prophet's governance)
⢠Arise ye, fearless Momins,
For Russia has lost the race,
Now the sword hangs on India's neck
Now it is Kashmir's turn.
⢠Islam hamara maksad hai
Kuran hamara dastur hai
Jehad hamara rasta hai.
(Islam is our destination Koran is our constitution Jehad is our way.)
⢠Hamein kya chahye, Nizame Mustafa
Kashmere main kya chalaiga, Nizame Mustafa
Hindustan mein kya chalaiga, Nizame Mustafa
(What do we need - Prophet's governance. What will
have sway in Kashmir - Prophet's governance.
What will have sway in India - Prophet's governance.
⢠Ganga-Jamuna mein aag lagayenge
(We will destroy Ganga and Yamuna)
And this - http://www.ikashmir.org/PastPresent/chapter18.html:
"At exact 11 O'clock in the night of 19th January, 1990, all the mosques equipped with mikes suddenly started yelling out war cries against India and the Kashmirian Hindus. The Kafirs were issued an ultimatum to quit as the star of Islam was up in the sky of Kashmir. The war waged through cassettes exhorted every Muslim man, woman, and child to take to streets to shatter off the bonds of socalled servitude for a social and political order sanctioned under Islamic tenets. The shrill yelling issuing out from mosques simultaneously through the length and breadth of Kashmir was so sudden that the Hindus got panicked and threatened waiting to get massacred at the hands of Muslim hordes who got collected in thousands in the streets braving the chill-cold of the winter night. Muslims in unprecedented numbers formed processions yelling at the 'Indian dogs' to quit and the 'enemies of Islam' to vacate only to pave way for an Islamic enclave."
ASHA sponsored several seminars, film screening, often in collaboration with Islamist organizations in the USA following the Gujarat reactionary violence in which 900 civilians, mostly Muslims, were killed. I would like ASHA to list the programs they sponsored in the USA to highlight the plight of the Kashmiri Hindu victims of Islamic terrorism. I hope that the brand of justice that ASHA and Mr. Pandey follow doesn't get activated only if the victims are Muslims.
If Mr. Pandey wants anyone to believe that he is not a manipulative politician but a genuine peacenik and a person that is moved by human suffering, all he has to do is to provide data for his support for the Kashmiri Hindus. If the quantum of such support, assuming that he or ASHA ever extended one, is proportionate to the number of victims vis-Ã -vis the support he and ASHA extended the Muslim victims of Gujarat, Mr. Pandey will stand vindicated.
Now, ASHA and Mr. Pandey know what exactly they need to do: present in a tabular format every event they sponsored in support of the Muslim victims of Gujarat and contrast that with the events they sponsored in support of the Kashmiri Pandits. Tabulate every US $ they spent on the Gujarat Muslim victims and contrast that with the US $ they spent on the Kashmiri Hindu victims. Mr. Pandey and ASHA can also tabulate the number of events they sponsored in collaboration with Islamist fronts like IMC-USA and contrast that with the number of events they sponsored in collaboration with Panun Kashmir organizations.
Since it is no secret that Mr. Musharraf and ISI are abetting terrorism in Kashmir, Nepal, NE and even pockets of the South, Mr. Pandey could cite the instances when he has condemned the Pakistani dictator Mr. Musharraf.
Presenting the data I have asked for would get Mr. Pandey's message across more effectively than invoking Gandhi's name as if it were a mantra. May be all these gimmicks will get Mr. Pandey a Nobel Peace Prize. After all, if Mr. Arafat, the terror mastermind behind the Black September, could be awarded the Nobel Prize, why not a mere manipulative peacenik from India? But, Mr. Pandey might do well to
remember that he needs a large contingent of fans to carry him to Oslo someday. A smart way to ensure that is by answering my questions with solid data.
If Mr. Pandey and ASHA have no data to answer, they can take the easy way out: call me a Hindutva and write lengthy paragraphs without providing the data asked for.
Thanks.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IndianCivili...n/message/73092
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The likes of Mr. Pandey can't hide behind the name of Gandhi forever. Nor can they evoke the Hindutva bogey every time and deflect attention. Perhaps, Mr. Pandey or somebody from ASHA can answer the following:
In Kashmir, 7, 00,000 Hindus have been ethnic cleansed by Islamic terrorists. Of these, 4, 00,000 are still languishing in refugee camps. The Kashmiri Pandits were ordered to get out and newspaper advertisements were carried to that effect. The mosques across the Valley ominously threatened the Pandits to evict the Valley. The Muslim majority and the government in Kashmir continue to patronize the same newspapers by subscribing to them and releasing government advertising. They continue to patronize the same mosques from where calls were made for the cleansing of the Pandits. I would like to know how often Mr. Pandey and ASHA protested these state sponsored, religiously inspired Islamic atrocities committed on the defenseless Hindu minority of Kashmir. Have they ever condemned the Kashmir government, Pakistani abettors and the Muslim majority of Kashmir for the plight of the Kashmiri Pandits?
A few samples of the hardened Islamic slogans deployed to chase the Pandits out - http://www.ikashmir.org/Miscellaneous/Slogans.html:
⢠Kashmir main rahna hai, Allah-ho-Akbar Kahna hoga. (If you choose to live in Kashmir, you will have to say Allah-o- Akbar).
⢠Asi gachi Pakistan, Bata ros ta batanev san.
(We want Pakistan, with Kashmiri Hindu women and without their men-folk).
⢠Allah-o-Akbar, Musalmano jago Kafiro bhago, jehad aa raha hai.
(Allah-o-Akbar, arise and awake Muslims, buzz off infidels, jehad is approaching.)
⢠Kashmir kya banega - Pakistan
(What will Kashmir be - Pakistan)
⢠Zalimo O, Kafiro, Kashmir hamara chhod do
(Ye cruel Kafirs (infidels) vacate our Kashmir)
⢠Yahan kya chalega, Nizam - e - Mustafa
(What will have sway here - Prophet's governance)
⢠Arise ye, fearless Momins,
For Russia has lost the race,
Now the sword hangs on India's neck
Now it is Kashmir's turn.
⢠Islam hamara maksad hai
Kuran hamara dastur hai
Jehad hamara rasta hai.
(Islam is our destination Koran is our constitution Jehad is our way.)
⢠Hamein kya chahye, Nizame Mustafa
Kashmere main kya chalaiga, Nizame Mustafa
Hindustan mein kya chalaiga, Nizame Mustafa
(What do we need - Prophet's governance. What will
have sway in Kashmir - Prophet's governance.
What will have sway in India - Prophet's governance.
⢠Ganga-Jamuna mein aag lagayenge
(We will destroy Ganga and Yamuna)
And this - http://www.ikashmir.org/PastPresent/chapter18.html:
"At exact 11 O'clock in the night of 19th January, 1990, all the mosques equipped with mikes suddenly started yelling out war cries against India and the Kashmirian Hindus. The Kafirs were issued an ultimatum to quit as the star of Islam was up in the sky of Kashmir. The war waged through cassettes exhorted every Muslim man, woman, and child to take to streets to shatter off the bonds of socalled servitude for a social and political order sanctioned under Islamic tenets. The shrill yelling issuing out from mosques simultaneously through the length and breadth of Kashmir was so sudden that the Hindus got panicked and threatened waiting to get massacred at the hands of Muslim hordes who got collected in thousands in the streets braving the chill-cold of the winter night. Muslims in unprecedented numbers formed processions yelling at the 'Indian dogs' to quit and the 'enemies of Islam' to vacate only to pave way for an Islamic enclave."
ASHA sponsored several seminars, film screening, often in collaboration with Islamist organizations in the USA following the Gujarat reactionary violence in which 900 civilians, mostly Muslims, were killed. I would like ASHA to list the programs they sponsored in the USA to highlight the plight of the Kashmiri Hindu victims of Islamic terrorism. I hope that the brand of justice that ASHA and Mr. Pandey follow doesn't get activated only if the victims are Muslims.
If Mr. Pandey wants anyone to believe that he is not a manipulative politician but a genuine peacenik and a person that is moved by human suffering, all he has to do is to provide data for his support for the Kashmiri Hindus. If the quantum of such support, assuming that he or ASHA ever extended one, is proportionate to the number of victims vis-Ã -vis the support he and ASHA extended the Muslim victims of Gujarat, Mr. Pandey will stand vindicated.
Now, ASHA and Mr. Pandey know what exactly they need to do: present in a tabular format every event they sponsored in support of the Muslim victims of Gujarat and contrast that with the events they sponsored in support of the Kashmiri Pandits. Tabulate every US $ they spent on the Gujarat Muslim victims and contrast that with the US $ they spent on the Kashmiri Hindu victims. Mr. Pandey and ASHA can also tabulate the number of events they sponsored in collaboration with Islamist fronts like IMC-USA and contrast that with the number of events they sponsored in collaboration with Panun Kashmir organizations.
Since it is no secret that Mr. Musharraf and ISI are abetting terrorism in Kashmir, Nepal, NE and even pockets of the South, Mr. Pandey could cite the instances when he has condemned the Pakistani dictator Mr. Musharraf.
Presenting the data I have asked for would get Mr. Pandey's message across more effectively than invoking Gandhi's name as if it were a mantra. May be all these gimmicks will get Mr. Pandey a Nobel Peace Prize. After all, if Mr. Arafat, the terror mastermind behind the Black September, could be awarded the Nobel Prize, why not a mere manipulative peacenik from India? But, Mr. Pandey might do well to
remember that he needs a large contingent of fans to carry him to Oslo someday. A smart way to ensure that is by answering my questions with solid data.
If Mr. Pandey and ASHA have no data to answer, they can take the easy way out: call me a Hindutva and write lengthy paragraphs without providing the data asked for.
Thanks.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->