Unmasking AIT

[Husky]

Some Europeans are getting a bit put out and "demand a recount". Just kidding. Some have the same issues I have.



Better to read in full at links:



- snplogic.blogspot.com/2015/04/how-little-we-know-about-ancient-dna.html

- snplogic.blogspot.com/2015/12/how-little-we-know-about-ancient-dna.html





Excerpts:



1. snplogic.blogspot.com/2015/04/how-little-we-know-about-ancient-dna.html

Sunday, April 19, 2015

How Little We Know About Ancient DNA



I've frequented several of the Ancient DNA discussion boards lately, and have been flummoxed by the self-important, self-promoted, self-described "experts," who proclaim to know precise migration patterns of Ancient Europeans.



These same "experts" even go so far as to claim to be able to tie specific haplogroups to languages, tribes, and epochs. They will make broad statements, like, "all of Europe was populated by [this haplogroup or that], which represented the [Cro-Magnons or whatever], until they were replaced, en masse, by the [new Haplogroup.]"



(Often the dominant invader haplogroup in their theories tends to be the one of the posting "expert," but that's just coincidence, I'm sure.)



Contrasting these experts are some bona fide theoreticians, who point out that we have less than 100 samples of Caucasian Ancient DNA, and that a simple cultural fact, for example, if one tribe cremated their dead and another tribe buried their dead, could contribute to the number of ancient skeletons that make it to the present day.



So, what I decided to do was to plot the confirmed ancient NR Y Chromosome haplogroup samples on a map, to show whatever it shows.



What I discovered was a complete lack of any real patterns. In other words, it's too early to tell. We need way more aDNA.

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Rest at link.

The maps at the link are meaningful: snplogic.blogspot.com/2015/04/how-little-we-know-about-ancient-dna.html





2. snplogic.blogspot.com/2015/12/how-little-we-know-about-ancient-dna.html

However, the same group of people turn to the aDNA evidence (blindly) to express 100% confidence in other theories, for example, everything from the notion that R1b xV88 couldn't be found west of modern Poland until the Indo-European expansions. (I find this notion laughable.)



They also rely on the aDNA evidence to express 100% confidence in wild notions of sex selection that have more in common with dimestore novels than anything scientific. The proponents of said theories also happen to be mostly males bearing R1b. Yes folks, in a world where racial identity is taboo, any sense of ingroup-outgroup dynamics for Western Europeans has simply been transferred to tiny markers on one chromosome.



I've also posted repeatedly on how difference in culture and hyperlocal topography can affect what aDNA survives into modern times. The easiest example is one tribe burying their dead, while another tribe cremates it. Anyone who knows anything about written history understands that the reason why we don't have m(any) ethnic Roman skeletons is because they cremated their dead. To those who don't grasp this concept, it would be as if the Romans, a powerful, numerous, colonizing, widespread, important society -- didn't exist.



I can just see Anthrogenica in the year 2515: "but there are no Roman samples in aDNA," they would maintain adamantly. Yes, you would reply. But the Romans existed.



(Same concerns I have surrounding Harappa/IVC, where people are said to have been cremated generally.

E.g. consider modern India: monotheists in India have mixed more with Europeans and islamic world, and they're the ones burying their dead. Hindus cremate. Same for European colonists who died in India and were buried on Indian soil. If dug up, monotheists/European colonists do not give a good picture of the native Indian genetics of the last few centuries of the subcontinent.)

Rest at link.



A comment:

Thomas Alan

December 21, 2015 at 11:52 PM



This is all so true, and not only of commenters in Anthrogenica. Haak et al found that the handful of known corded ware specimens were more similar to Siberian Yamna than to their limited sample of European specimens and concluded that the bearers of corded ware culture MUST be steppe pastoralist immigrants. They simply assumed that Ukrainian Yamna must have the same profile and that nobody anywhere else outside Europe at that time or earlier could. And so, big surprise, at the same time they make it to print, so does new evidence disproving their conclusion, revealing that at least on the mtDNA side the modern European profile was present in Romania two millennia earlier: journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0128810



But of course, fans of the Kurgan theory only reported the Haak paper and ignored the Hervella paper.



And it goes on and on. It's astonishing how many illiterate prehistoric cultures are allegedly known to be Indo-European or Iranian, or how certainly Phrygian language is categorized with Thracian when we know extremely little about Phrygian and practically nothing about any Thracian languages.



Re: R1b and related, you may need to add one: since the R1b marker is clearly associated with superior abilities to fake historical evidence, they cleverly wrote all the other Europeans out of history.

^ Don't know why someone called "Thomas Alan" would be interested in complaining: assuming his surname (which is inherited patrilineally, note) is reflective of his antecedents, then he's possibly an Alani type Sarmatian (Scythian descendent/cousin, but could also have been a population adopted into being "Scythian" culturally). But if of an actually Alani population somewhat, then, according to the Kurgan thesis, he's derived from super-oryans anyway.



About these lines:

These same "experts" even go so far as to claim to be able to tie specific haplogroups to languages, tribes, and epochs. They will make broad statements, like, "all of Europe was populated by [this haplogroup or that], which represented the [Cro-Magnons or whatever], until they were replaced, en masse, by the [new Haplogroup.]"



(Often the dominant invader haplogroup in their theories tends to be the one of the posting "expert," but that's just coincidence, I'm sure.)

Probably means people like Spencer Wells, who has proudly published his R1b Y haplogroup?

That was before Wells knew that he should have kept quiet unless he was R1a, since now R1a is considered even cooler: R1a Euro males, deeply into genetics blogging, have been chirruping.



Especially when they find two R1aZ293 individuals (dated around 1,371-914 BCE, Middle-Bronze age, late enough for admixture a la with Scythians IMO) - from a clutch of four R1aZ93 - one of whom was already carrying markers for blue eyes and two carrying markers for dark blond/brown hair. <- Again, contrary to Elst, the IE matter is still about white supremacism.





3. Abstract of the paper eclipsed by (Haak et al 2015) "the Massive Bronze Age Migrations From The Steppes":



journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0128810



Ancient DNA from South-East Europe Reveals Different Events during Early and Middle Neolithic Influencing the European Genetic Heritage

Hervella et al 2015, June 8, 2015

Abstract



The importance of the process of Neolithization for the genetic make-up of European populations has been hotly debated, with shifting hypotheses from a demic diffusion (DD) to a cultural diffusion (CD) model. In this regard, ancient DNA data from the Balkan Peninsula, which is an important source of information to assess the process of Neolithization in Europe, is however missing. In the present study we show genetic information on ancient populations of the South-East of Europe. We assessed mtDNA from ten sites from the current territory of Romania, spanning a time-period from the Early Neolithic to the Late Bronze Age. mtDNA data from Early Neolithic farmers of the Starčevo Criş culture in Romania (Cârcea, Gura Baciului and Negrileşti sites), confirm their genetic relationship with those of the LBK culture (Linienbandkeramik Kultur) in Central Europe, and they show little genetic continuity with modern European populations. On the other hand, populations of the Middle-Late Neolithic (Boian, Zau and Gumelniţa cultures), supposedly a second wave of Neolithic migration from Anatolia, had a much stronger effect on the genetic heritage of the European populations. In contrast, we find a smaller contribution of Late Bronze Age migrations to the genetic composition of Europeans. Based on these findings, we propose that permeation of mtDNA lineages from a second wave of Middle-Late Neolithic migration from North-West Anatolia into the Balkan Peninsula and Central Europe represent an important contribution to the genetic shift between Early and Late Neolithic populations in Europe, and consequently to the genetic make-up of modern European populations.

They seem to be talking of mtDNA.

Isn't the Supremacist conclusion going to be that Bronze Age Steppe (IE/Oryan) Y did wife-stealing of European women of Neolithic Anatolian descent?



(A la the pre-Haak conclusion by Jobling and co. of how Europe was made up of a 80% replacement of European hunter gatherers by middle-eastern farmers, and which was then explained with stories about European hunter gatherers females doing female hypergamy and marrying the ME farmers.

But when Haak came out with the Kurgan conclusion, Jobling et al had to backpeddle not only on their genetics study's results but also on the whole story they built up to "explain" how the replacement [that was retracted] had happened.)



Of course mtDNA does give an additional picture about ancestry which is useful too. [Since Y haplogroups (like R1a) only considers 1/N ancestors at any generation: only on the patrilineal side. E.g. a man's father's father's father's father etc "was R1a". His Y haplogroup does not consider all the other ancestors of the man, like his father's father's mother's father's father etc.]

But I'm not surprised that Y patrilineal lines must be all important for IE-ists to focus on. Their thesis IE-ism runs down the male line (wife-stealing from other/invaded cultures and all.)