Ayodhya

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Mr. Abdul, Babri Structure was never a Mosque. I had the pleasure of asking many Muslims and clergies who have categorically stated that a Mosque that does not have facilities to do "vazoor" are not Mosques. But here we have sooo many claiming it to be a Mosque. How many Indian Muslims had any clue about this particular Mosque? Hardly any.

I do not know much about this particular structure. Probably most IMs do not either. As I had said before, the problem is not with people, it is with the politics. Neither side wants to let go so we have to find a solution that is acceptable to both sides.

I do not wish to engage in a debate. Just like your beliefs cannot be questioned, my beliefs cannot be questioned as well. We must together seek a solution. Solution does require compromise and must be built upon truth and righteousness. These factors have diminished, thanks to self proclaimed leaders of Muslim community in India.

There should be a compromise wherever there is a conflict of interests because both Hindus and Muslims live here. We cannot kick you out and you cannot kick us out so we must manage our disputes in a civilized and mutually agreeable fashion. You are quite welcome to question my beliefs. Heavens knows I question them myself all the time. As I said before, I do not care if Ram was bornthere or not, if the Hindu community believes it to be so, then that is enough for me. If you ask Muslims to prove many things they will not be able to.

All evidence has proven that yes indeed a temple did exist. And that is the truth regardless of all ifs, buts, how, etc. It is logical for the land to be handed over to Hindus. Please recall that you will speak of law proclaiming all religious sites to be status quo. But this issue pre-dates the ruling thus not applicable.

It is not about law alone, but doing what is right and what is just. After reading a lot of what had been posted on this thread, I would tend to agree that a temple should be built on the site.

Mr. Abdul, there are 3000 sites all over the country where temples were wrecked and Mosques built upon them. To do this, showed prejudice, bigotry and hatered by the culprits of humanity. But in this day and age why should we blame their actions to Muslims of today? Well why not? Why shouldnt we blame this generation for the deeds of their past? Aren't Germans today reminded of their Nazis? Arent Americans reminded about Vietnam? Arent Russians reminded about evil Communism? What are you trying to say Mr. Abdul, that we should simply forget our history? Sorry sir, the Sword Of Islam was not very kind to us Hindus. Countless of my fore-fathers died in the holocaust that followed Islam in India. Please dont ask us to forget it. You yourself should not forget either what the Muslim rule brought with it. It should be learned so it never happens again. It is the bitter truth and we should accept it and learn from it.

There is no society in the world today that is innocent of atrocities against someone. The Muslims who invaded India were barbarians of the highest order and I hope all Indians become aware of what was done in the middle ages in the name of Islam. Hindus have suffered insufferably in hands of Muslims. I understand your anger and need to blame. I feel it too. My ancestors were most likely converted at the tip of a sword. My ancestors also suffered. I am not an arab or a Central Asian, I am an Indian like you are, just of a different belief. I did nothing to you or your ancestors. You cannot hold someone guilty for the sins of their fathers. There is also nothing to show my ancestors did anything wrong to yours. In anycase should I hold you responsible for anti-Muslim pogroms? Even if your father took part in murder of Muslims I would not hold you responsible. if we keep doing that, then it will never end and we will be unable to move on. Present day Americans and germans are not responsible for the sins of their previous generations either. I don't ask you to forget history. We must never forget, or we will be doomed to repeat. Only think we can do is seek justice. If this is not acheivable then we must forgive and move on after ensuring it can never be repeated. More than anyone, I accept the bloody history of Muslim rule in India. I knwo what Muslims are capable of. This is why I stated earlier I am more safe in a non-Muslim India than a Muslim Pakistan. One just has to look there to see what can happen. :thumbdown

Of all the 3000 sities we Hindus asked our Muslim brothers to hand over the land so we could make our temple. We even said we will forget the rest 2999 sities. What was the response? "If we hand over Babri Masjid tomorrow it will be jama Masjid". Do you as a Indian Muslim seriously believe that? Where is the brotherhood?

Personally I don't think it will happen. What I am telling you that many IMs are afraid that if we agree with this, tomorrow you will change your mind and start on other majids. How do you address this fear? The clergy have IMs under their thumb. The first thing to do is break this control. IMs like any Muslims are sheep who follow the shephard(Imams) and are hostage to their agendas.

I understand Mr. Abdul it is hard to explain the Hindu issue to your community, either a Fatwa will be placed or you will be un-heard if you are righteous on this issue.

I understand, or I am at least trying to understand the Hindu issue, but unfortunately the IM leaders do not care about the feelings of Hindus. They are trying to enrich themselves and do not even care about the muslim masses. The clergy knows that if the masses get educated and think for themselves support will fall away from the Imams. This is the problem. If the issue wasn't politicized no IM would even care.





[/QUOTE]Quran clearly states that you as a Muslim irrespective of which nation you are living in and in whatever community, your duty is for betterment of society and brotherhood, well then what is beneficial for us Indians today? Solution is simple, hand over the land to Hindus and let them make their temple. If now they do insist on 2999 sites well I will support them. Why? Why not. If they are right and they have the evidence then law, and truth are with them. Even today in US American Indians have rights to their culture, and land, so why not Hindus? Mr. Abdul, there wasn't a single protest when the first Mosque built by Mohammed was demolished by Saudi Royals for building a grand palace. And here we Hindus are seeking our Kabba. [QUOTE]



It is better all around if Hindus and Muslims come to a mutual agreement here. If it was my decision, I would say build the temple. You do not need to tell me about Koran. By stating the above you are reinforcing the fear of IMs that if a temple is built at Ayodhya, many other masjids will be at risk.



I am an Indian, Mr Gill, I do not care what happens anywhere else in the world, Saudi or America, unless it affects India or Indians. This may be a land of Hindus but it also land for many other faiths including Islam. by taking an extremist position we will not get anywhere