Another thing I'd forgotten to complain about earlier.
Other Indian atheists ("Hindu" atheists in fact) sound the same as the Buddhists/Jain missionaries nowadays. Same lies.
A comment found at indiafacts.
Strange how enemies all sound the same. All of them are poaching on the heathenism that is Vedic religio for their own interests.
Ultimately they're all the same: Inimical.
And this vpnc dude was serious:
He spouted more nonsense, lecturing about how he had defended "Hindu traditions" for years (by which he clearly means Buddhism, Jainism, Indic atheist movements; probably not the "miscellany" under which Vedic religio i.e. Hindoos' heathenism falls, since he's conveniently ignorant of that). He was also lecturing others about how they needed to be more literate about their own 'Hindu traditions'.
Apparently the above entity is a colleague of Kalavai Venkat and has been writing articles with him irgendwo for who knows how many years. (Great. Wikipedia isn't the only source of pollution on the internet, apparently.)
Speaking of Kalavai Venkat. In the comments area of an indiafacts article, he recently had a back-and-forth with several others about nireeshwara thought, foreshadowing how he would in future be publishing something on the same subject. (One of his correspondents had mentioned he was dabbling in I mean had learnt the Krishna Yajur Vedam and was interested in nireeshwara schools himself. Great.) Those comments seemed to all evaporate fast enough within a day or two of my noticing them, or else I simply can't find them again. Anyway, at some earlier point in time Kalavai Venkat had stated something that sounded to me much like Elst's absurd nonsense about how Samkhya, (Yoga,) etc were originally atheist and how Hindoos had hijacked these for their heathenism.
And the same wishful thinking, I mean opinion, was expressed by the 'vpnc' entity quoted above (another "Hindu" atheist, but isn't that the case with all those making such claims). The latter traces samkhya to - I kid you not - the Samkhya Karika. (And to think he was lecturing others about how literate he was and how illiterate any naysayers must be.)
And these people pretend to 1. be literate; and 2. have the right to lecture others. [url="http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/975-sanatana-dharma-aka-hinduism-3rd-bin/page__view__findpost__p__117621"]Reminiscent of Atanu Dey's infamous encroachment[/url] - he's that other "Hindu" atheist who was poaching on Hindu heathenism to enlarge his own atheism - when he was seen pretending that his atheist self would know more than Hindoos about Shiva (Nataraja moorti), conveniently forgetting he has less than nothing to do with any Hindu Gods aka any part of Hindu heathenism and that he has even less knowledge on the subject.
Hindu atheists have as much to do with Hindu heathenism as christoislamics or aliens have, one need not pretend otherwise: all unheathens are unheathens - a straightforward equivalence - and have no rights to heathen stuffs. Any of it. (And that's a lot.) "Hindu" atheists' recent or distant Hindoo ancestry has no bearing on the subject. No heathen ever stopped anyone from converting out. But you can't take anything with you. The same old rule applies here too: Can't have the cake and eat it too. Like christians and other non-heathens of Indian ancestry, "I am a Hindu" atheists have to stop referring to heathen stuffs like the itihAsas and pretending they have an "equal" let alone any claim on this. From the Vedas to the itihAsas are heathen texts - so is a lot written by heathens thereafter - despite repeated attempts by covetous unheathens (a product of the modern era) to try to secularise these. Unheathens should stick to their own stuff or create their own and stop poaching. They should be creative like western atheists, not be 3rd world atheists and converts to monotheism: uncreative and poaching.
(Anyway, after reading repeated nonsense emanating from the mouths of various self-professed "Hindu" atheists penning away anti-heathen subversive lies on the internet - in order to divorce key features of heathenism to hijack these for their atheism - I've now come to the conclusion that there are no "Hindu" atheists learned in any aspects of "Hindu traditions" or whatever vpnc calls it. Hypothetically: perhaps this is a side-effect of the fact that at most these people are reconstructionists of Indic atheisms, rather than following any tradition therein: they tend to have recent Hindoo i.e. heathen i.e. theist ancestors, so they de-converted but have no tradition.)
If Kalavai Venkat in his future publication - or anyone else, really - attempts to lecture to a Hindoo audience that Samkhya was originally atheist*, then will be a good time to spam with materials on the subject of how Samkhya was originally (and therefore actually, truly) Seshwara - making any later versions of Samkhya mere subversions, a la Buddhism. Best to expose the fraud of people pompously pretending know-it-allness after their blunder. This is to immunise the Hindoo audience from ever after lending blind credence to any de-heathenising nonsense emanating from them.
* Elst already tried this in his blog, but his audience consists of de-heathenised entities - who are beyond correction, plus who cares about them anyway: debile people deserve to imbibe further stupidity and be debilitated further, so their instant capitulation to subversive nonsense is not only unsurprising, but actually gratifying (as it further confirms their subvertibility, not to mention their lack of commonsense).
The point of this post was the stupidity expressed by one "vpnc", reproduced in this post's sole quoteblock.
(In fact, he stated many other stupid things, but lies on the internet have a tendency to shorten one's lifespan. Why should heathens waste their time in rebutting one lie after another emanating from unheathens. The latter are a factory of falsehoods.)
Other Indian atheists ("Hindu" atheists in fact) sound the same as the Buddhists/Jain missionaries nowadays. Same lies.
A comment found at indiafacts.
Quote:vpnc(All of these assertions are already disproven somewhere in this and/or the SD thread.)
actually most of the religious practices of modern hinduism - including gods, pujas etc - are derived from buddhism. the vedic religion - the darshanas, the smirithis - are ascetic and almost verging on atheism. it is from mahayana buddhism that modern hinduism got its deities and ways of worship. avalokateshvara, maitreya, mara etc are the forerunners of vishnu, shiva, shakti etc. it is in the rise of advaita vedanta which subsequently spawned the various schools of bhakti vedanta, that the root of modern hinduism can be traced to. but even advaita vedanta is not called prachanna bauddham or buddism in disguise without reason. so modern hinduism has more in common with mahayana buddhism than the ancient vedic religion.
Strange how enemies all sound the same. All of them are poaching on the heathenism that is Vedic religio for their own interests.
Ultimately they're all the same: Inimical.
And this vpnc dude was serious:
He spouted more nonsense, lecturing about how he had defended "Hindu traditions" for years (by which he clearly means Buddhism, Jainism, Indic atheist movements; probably not the "miscellany" under which Vedic religio i.e. Hindoos' heathenism falls, since he's conveniently ignorant of that). He was also lecturing others about how they needed to be more literate about their own 'Hindu traditions'.
Apparently the above entity is a colleague of Kalavai Venkat and has been writing articles with him irgendwo for who knows how many years. (Great. Wikipedia isn't the only source of pollution on the internet, apparently.)
Speaking of Kalavai Venkat. In the comments area of an indiafacts article, he recently had a back-and-forth with several others about nireeshwara thought, foreshadowing how he would in future be publishing something on the same subject. (One of his correspondents had mentioned he was dabbling in I mean had learnt the Krishna Yajur Vedam and was interested in nireeshwara schools himself. Great.) Those comments seemed to all evaporate fast enough within a day or two of my noticing them, or else I simply can't find them again. Anyway, at some earlier point in time Kalavai Venkat had stated something that sounded to me much like Elst's absurd nonsense about how Samkhya, (Yoga,) etc were originally atheist and how Hindoos had hijacked these for their heathenism.
And the same wishful thinking, I mean opinion, was expressed by the 'vpnc' entity quoted above (another "Hindu" atheist, but isn't that the case with all those making such claims). The latter traces samkhya to - I kid you not - the Samkhya Karika. (And to think he was lecturing others about how literate he was and how illiterate any naysayers must be.)
And these people pretend to 1. be literate; and 2. have the right to lecture others. [url="http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/975-sanatana-dharma-aka-hinduism-3rd-bin/page__view__findpost__p__117621"]Reminiscent of Atanu Dey's infamous encroachment[/url] - he's that other "Hindu" atheist who was poaching on Hindu heathenism to enlarge his own atheism - when he was seen pretending that his atheist self would know more than Hindoos about Shiva (Nataraja moorti), conveniently forgetting he has less than nothing to do with any Hindu Gods aka any part of Hindu heathenism and that he has even less knowledge on the subject.
Hindu atheists have as much to do with Hindu heathenism as christoislamics or aliens have, one need not pretend otherwise: all unheathens are unheathens - a straightforward equivalence - and have no rights to heathen stuffs. Any of it. (And that's a lot.) "Hindu" atheists' recent or distant Hindoo ancestry has no bearing on the subject. No heathen ever stopped anyone from converting out. But you can't take anything with you. The same old rule applies here too: Can't have the cake and eat it too. Like christians and other non-heathens of Indian ancestry, "I am a Hindu" atheists have to stop referring to heathen stuffs like the itihAsas and pretending they have an "equal" let alone any claim on this. From the Vedas to the itihAsas are heathen texts - so is a lot written by heathens thereafter - despite repeated attempts by covetous unheathens (a product of the modern era) to try to secularise these. Unheathens should stick to their own stuff or create their own and stop poaching. They should be creative like western atheists, not be 3rd world atheists and converts to monotheism: uncreative and poaching.
(Anyway, after reading repeated nonsense emanating from the mouths of various self-professed "Hindu" atheists penning away anti-heathen subversive lies on the internet - in order to divorce key features of heathenism to hijack these for their atheism - I've now come to the conclusion that there are no "Hindu" atheists learned in any aspects of "Hindu traditions" or whatever vpnc calls it. Hypothetically: perhaps this is a side-effect of the fact that at most these people are reconstructionists of Indic atheisms, rather than following any tradition therein: they tend to have recent Hindoo i.e. heathen i.e. theist ancestors, so they de-converted but have no tradition.)
If Kalavai Venkat in his future publication - or anyone else, really - attempts to lecture to a Hindoo audience that Samkhya was originally atheist*, then will be a good time to spam with materials on the subject of how Samkhya was originally (and therefore actually, truly) Seshwara - making any later versions of Samkhya mere subversions, a la Buddhism. Best to expose the fraud of people pompously pretending know-it-allness after their blunder. This is to immunise the Hindoo audience from ever after lending blind credence to any de-heathenising nonsense emanating from them.
* Elst already tried this in his blog, but his audience consists of de-heathenised entities - who are beyond correction, plus who cares about them anyway: debile people deserve to imbibe further stupidity and be debilitated further, so their instant capitulation to subversive nonsense is not only unsurprising, but actually gratifying (as it further confirms their subvertibility, not to mention their lack of commonsense).
The point of this post was the stupidity expressed by one "vpnc", reproduced in this post's sole quoteblock.
(In fact, he stated many other stupid things, but lies on the internet have a tendency to shorten one's lifespan. Why should heathens waste their time in rebutting one lie after another emanating from unheathens. The latter are a factory of falsehoods.)