07-01-2008, 05:53 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Jun 30 2008, 10:38 PM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Jun 30 2008, 10:38 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->So GS to close the IQ gap among the SC/ST and the rest in India the teaching methods have to change? Is that a good takeaway?
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Let me put it in 2 different ways
Among the SC/STs, about 20% are able to take advantage of reservations and move
to the peasant level
example in Andhra we have the Mala SC who are relatively doing well
and in Rajasthan we have the Meena tribals doing very well
Among the peasants castes, about 20% are able to reach academically equal
to merchants. Examples being Nadar, Ezhava, etc
We have the rural punjabi jat sikh farm workers able to reach white middle class levels in UK
What I am saying is that since we have had about 60 years of Affirmative action
and those castes who were historically held back solely due to caste ranking
are able to move up rapidly, because of innate relatively higher IQ
The other remaining 80% SC/ST/Peasants show no signs of any movement and even if reservations
were continued for 100 years I would see minimal difference
For example in the USA, blacks earning $100k do at the level of whites earning $15k
These $100k blacks got their jobs solely due to Affirmative action and lack IQ
The remaining castes will not benefit much from Affirmative action
and if they can pass high school, or even primary school, thats all we can expect
It is cruel to put in someone 2 SD below the rest of the class
For helping these remaining castes, very drastic methods need to be undertaken
and it is unlikely that they will accept these methods of teaching
due to stigma etc
In 1970, there was a study of black kids using headstart
and various methods like montessori were tried and nothing worked except 2
behavior training methods
These behavior training methods are used in animal training
using rewards etc
one particular method is called ABA ( Applied Behavior Analysis )
and in 1989, there was a study by Dr.Lovaas in UCLA, where he cured 45% of
autistic kids
In his study the IQ went up by an average of 30IQ
In the real world, it is very common to raise IQ of Autistics by 15IQ fairly easily
using this
The other behavioral method is called Direct Instruction
ABA works slightly better for autistics and DI works better for normal
socio-economically backward kids
In the US, the black-white IQ gap is 15IQ
and using DI, the gap disappears in 3 years
However, DI is not very politically correct
It demands rote learning, It takes hard work
No fuzzy stuff
For the first 6 years, only language syntax, reading and math
and writing and spelling are taught
No other subjects until 6th grade when a very solid base is achieved
Normal kids can also use this method and shave off 2 - 3 years before 12th grade
Only a few serious people are aware of this
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Let me put it in 2 different ways
Among the SC/STs, about 20% are able to take advantage of reservations and move
to the peasant level
example in Andhra we have the Mala SC who are relatively doing well
and in Rajasthan we have the Meena tribals doing very well
Among the peasants castes, about 20% are able to reach academically equal
to merchants. Examples being Nadar, Ezhava, etc
We have the rural punjabi jat sikh farm workers able to reach white middle class levels in UK
What I am saying is that since we have had about 60 years of Affirmative action
and those castes who were historically held back solely due to caste ranking
are able to move up rapidly, because of innate relatively higher IQ
The other remaining 80% SC/ST/Peasants show no signs of any movement and even if reservations
were continued for 100 years I would see minimal difference
For example in the USA, blacks earning $100k do at the level of whites earning $15k
These $100k blacks got their jobs solely due to Affirmative action and lack IQ
The remaining castes will not benefit much from Affirmative action
and if they can pass high school, or even primary school, thats all we can expect
It is cruel to put in someone 2 SD below the rest of the class
For helping these remaining castes, very drastic methods need to be undertaken
and it is unlikely that they will accept these methods of teaching
due to stigma etc
In 1970, there was a study of black kids using headstart
and various methods like montessori were tried and nothing worked except 2
behavior training methods
These behavior training methods are used in animal training
using rewards etc
one particular method is called ABA ( Applied Behavior Analysis )
and in 1989, there was a study by Dr.Lovaas in UCLA, where he cured 45% of
autistic kids
In his study the IQ went up by an average of 30IQ
In the real world, it is very common to raise IQ of Autistics by 15IQ fairly easily
using this
The other behavioral method is called Direct Instruction
ABA works slightly better for autistics and DI works better for normal
socio-economically backward kids
In the US, the black-white IQ gap is 15IQ
and using DI, the gap disappears in 3 years
However, DI is not very politically correct
It demands rote learning, It takes hard work
No fuzzy stuff
For the first 6 years, only language syntax, reading and math
and writing and spelling are taught
No other subjects until 6th grade when a very solid base is achieved
Normal kids can also use this method and shave off 2 - 3 years before 12th grade
Only a few serious people are aware of this