<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Aug 25 2007, 02:41 AM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Aug 25 2007, 02:41 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Husky for you![right][snapback]72469[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->But it isn't even my birthday yet! <!--emo&
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->url=http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/jwh/18.1/br_1.html]Book Review[/url]
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Case for Islamo-Christian Civilization. By RICHARD W. BULLLIET. New York: Columbia University Press, 2004. 187 pp. $24.50 (cloth); $18.95 (paper).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yes, they are of one body.
Calls to mind an old Ivanhoe movie. Not the technicolour one with the two Taylors trying to outdo each other in hamming-it-up. I mean the 80s one (with Anthony Andrews, Sam Neill, Olivia Hussey-Langenecker). Taped it off the tv some years ago, can't point to a dvd link.
It's based on Walter Scott's book Ivanhoe, and is set in the early 12th century I think, with the faithful christian lads returning from the crusade in the ME.
In the movie, the characters Isaac of York and Rebecca are Jewish. The rest of the characters - all being faithfully christian - keep referring to Isaac and Rebecca as 'Infidels', 'infidel dogs' and other variations on the same. Change this word to the islamic term 'kaffir' and you have islam. And there you have the fundamental doctrine of both.
They have so much in common, islam and christianism: never-ending and violent hatred for Judaism; and of course a determination to wipe out all other ways of life on the planet (all other religions); a mindset that does not shrink from employing mass-genocide and which uses gruesome means of murder (islamaniac tyranny in India and elsewhere; christomaniac inquisitions and crusades).
Civilisation is a word that I myself would never have connected to this new term 'islamo-christian'. I just call it the christoislamic meme or just christoislamism. But if they want to refer to it as a single body of 'civilisation', then it doesn't change a thing: it entails the same genocide and utter intolerance for other religions as before.
That doesn't mean that the two religions that consider each other as heresies will get along. The Islamic Conquest - Crusades/Reconquista is proof enough of that.
Islam and christianity are two heads of the same monster. And they relentlessly bicker; each trying to plot the other's demise. I wish them both good luck in this, from the depths of my heart.
I'm sick of western armchair intellectualisation of the unintellectual islam, the kind that speaks without experience of the real thing, but hypothesizes from a safe distance. Enough with their apologetics for islamic 'excesses' (violence). While they use flowery words to excuse mass-murder, terrorism and other stuff, I suspect it's only in order to simultaneously excuse their own christian tradition of genocide and terrorism. They wouldn't want to appear as hypocrites, would they. Because every christian accusation against islam (veils, oppression of women, slavery, anti-semitism, violence and bloodshed) is all there in christianity.
No wonder people of the christo faith are attracted to islam: they recognise their own scary religion therein.
But I just hope such apologetics won't be used to condition the American mindset with respect to islam such that Americans start accomodating it with their eyes closed. Else one day they will open their eyes in the United States of Dar-ul-islam.
The 'embrace brother islam' message, if implemented and taken seriously, will do nothing more than lull Americans into a stupour. The US civilian population won't thank the 'scholars' who paved the way for that. Then again, the same population already has to contend with mad christo attempts to take their country; islam is little different.
But it's like others in this forum have been telling us over and over again: islam and christianity might hate each other to death, but they'll always band together to destroy everyone else, precisely because they recognise (perhaps grudgingly at times) that they're of a kind.
Can you imagine such an article as above written about Hindu Dharma and christianity? Nah. All we get from them is a constant churn-out of lame Wendy books or those by her children, telling Hindus what Hinduism supposedly is. But it would be even scarier if we were to receive the "Hinduism is like christianity" 'compliment' from them - because ours is not part of a murderous tradition.
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->url=http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/jwh/18.1/br_1.html]Book Review[/url]
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Case for Islamo-Christian Civilization. By RICHARD W. BULLLIET. New York: Columbia University Press, 2004. 187 pp. $24.50 (cloth); $18.95 (paper).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yes, they are of one body.
Calls to mind an old Ivanhoe movie. Not the technicolour one with the two Taylors trying to outdo each other in hamming-it-up. I mean the 80s one (with Anthony Andrews, Sam Neill, Olivia Hussey-Langenecker). Taped it off the tv some years ago, can't point to a dvd link.
It's based on Walter Scott's book Ivanhoe, and is set in the early 12th century I think, with the faithful christian lads returning from the crusade in the ME.
In the movie, the characters Isaac of York and Rebecca are Jewish. The rest of the characters - all being faithfully christian - keep referring to Isaac and Rebecca as 'Infidels', 'infidel dogs' and other variations on the same. Change this word to the islamic term 'kaffir' and you have islam. And there you have the fundamental doctrine of both.
They have so much in common, islam and christianism: never-ending and violent hatred for Judaism; and of course a determination to wipe out all other ways of life on the planet (all other religions); a mindset that does not shrink from employing mass-genocide and which uses gruesome means of murder (islamaniac tyranny in India and elsewhere; christomaniac inquisitions and crusades).
Civilisation is a word that I myself would never have connected to this new term 'islamo-christian'. I just call it the christoislamic meme or just christoislamism. But if they want to refer to it as a single body of 'civilisation', then it doesn't change a thing: it entails the same genocide and utter intolerance for other religions as before.
That doesn't mean that the two religions that consider each other as heresies will get along. The Islamic Conquest - Crusades/Reconquista is proof enough of that.
Islam and christianity are two heads of the same monster. And they relentlessly bicker; each trying to plot the other's demise. I wish them both good luck in this, from the depths of my heart.
I'm sick of western armchair intellectualisation of the unintellectual islam, the kind that speaks without experience of the real thing, but hypothesizes from a safe distance. Enough with their apologetics for islamic 'excesses' (violence). While they use flowery words to excuse mass-murder, terrorism and other stuff, I suspect it's only in order to simultaneously excuse their own christian tradition of genocide and terrorism. They wouldn't want to appear as hypocrites, would they. Because every christian accusation against islam (veils, oppression of women, slavery, anti-semitism, violence and bloodshed) is all there in christianity.
No wonder people of the christo faith are attracted to islam: they recognise their own scary religion therein.
But I just hope such apologetics won't be used to condition the American mindset with respect to islam such that Americans start accomodating it with their eyes closed. Else one day they will open their eyes in the United States of Dar-ul-islam.
The 'embrace brother islam' message, if implemented and taken seriously, will do nothing more than lull Americans into a stupour. The US civilian population won't thank the 'scholars' who paved the way for that. Then again, the same population already has to contend with mad christo attempts to take their country; islam is little different.
But it's like others in this forum have been telling us over and over again: islam and christianity might hate each other to death, but they'll always band together to destroy everyone else, precisely because they recognise (perhaps grudgingly at times) that they're of a kind.
Can you imagine such an article as above written about Hindu Dharma and christianity? Nah. All we get from them is a constant churn-out of lame Wendy books or those by her children, telling Hindus what Hinduism supposedly is. But it would be even scarier if we were to receive the "Hinduism is like christianity" 'compliment' from them - because ours is not part of a murderous tradition.