08-30-2007, 08:25 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Aug 29 2007, 05:00 PM-->QUOTE(Shambhu @ Aug 29 2007, 05:00 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->The more I think about this the more I arrive at the same conclusion:
Why does the Indian Muslim identify with islam as something to be identified with first, before Indianness etc..?
My Answer:
Because he sees islam as having brought something positive to India. This pseudo-smugness has to be destroyed bit by bit by laying down the facts before the IM, and then hammering them into his head (this latter process can only be accomplished on a generational scale, a lie perpetuated over a millenium cannot be undone in a year. Look, for example, how many people -muslim and hindu- believe that the Tejo mayhalay was built by shahjahan).
Similarly, look how many South Korean immigrants in the US drill their kids on Western Culture: piano lessons etc. Look how they fall over each other to be seen as Church-going. All to fit in. South Koreans have a reputation, well-deserved in my opinion, of being extremely xenophobic. But as far as Xtian-Western things go, they want to fit in.
Would IM consider Saudi their home and India a Dar-ul-Harb if Islam was demonstrably shown (see below) to be far smellier than the septic tank of a Mexican restaurant?Â
What can show the real islam to IM?
1. Massive inter-islam killing
2. The real History, Achievements of India (the word Hindu is not to be used too much in the *initial* stages when telling them all Hindus achieved, IM -and even psec Hindus- have an allergy to "Hindu", and anyone with allergies can tell you, allergies are literally built into your blood..you can't get rid of them overnight..)
3. Terrorism-Islam becoming correlated with an r squared of .99999 ie terrorism comes from islam, and nowhere else
Will SKorean immigrants extol the west if and when the west starts going down the drain?
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Shambhu,
It is a bit of over-simplification to blame all bad things on lies being perpetuated and smugness etc. I dont think IM have the self-realization to see islam as having brought good things to india and therefore is a valid way of life. Allah has told them that all the world's land and world's women belong to muslims and kafirs are just using their resources and muslims can use any means to take back what is rightfully theirs.
All terrorism is not islam. I believe terrorism comes from divine rights and sense of entitlement. There are three ideologies in the world today that give these rights and entitlements: Islam, Christianity and Communism. In the last 60 years, you can probably add western imperialism, which does stem from christianity, to this list. If you see all terrorist related instances will be associated with one of these 4 ideologies, because these ideologies are concerned only about results/ends and not the means. Can you lie/cheat/kill to achieve your goals? Sure, Islam says you can, Christianity says you are only a confessional away from purity, communism says "what? Those are only strategies" and western imperialism has been long using covert operations that include assasinations and other psy-ops.
So, where does this leave us? Before we can tell IM that they are wrong, it is important to get hindus on board. Achieve this should be our first priority.
Why does the Indian Muslim identify with islam as something to be identified with first, before Indianness etc..?
My Answer:
Because he sees islam as having brought something positive to India. This pseudo-smugness has to be destroyed bit by bit by laying down the facts before the IM, and then hammering them into his head (this latter process can only be accomplished on a generational scale, a lie perpetuated over a millenium cannot be undone in a year. Look, for example, how many people -muslim and hindu- believe that the Tejo mayhalay was built by shahjahan).
Similarly, look how many South Korean immigrants in the US drill their kids on Western Culture: piano lessons etc. Look how they fall over each other to be seen as Church-going. All to fit in. South Koreans have a reputation, well-deserved in my opinion, of being extremely xenophobic. But as far as Xtian-Western things go, they want to fit in.
Would IM consider Saudi their home and India a Dar-ul-Harb if Islam was demonstrably shown (see below) to be far smellier than the septic tank of a Mexican restaurant?Â
What can show the real islam to IM?
1. Massive inter-islam killing
2. The real History, Achievements of India (the word Hindu is not to be used too much in the *initial* stages when telling them all Hindus achieved, IM -and even psec Hindus- have an allergy to "Hindu", and anyone with allergies can tell you, allergies are literally built into your blood..you can't get rid of them overnight..)
3. Terrorism-Islam becoming correlated with an r squared of .99999 ie terrorism comes from islam, and nowhere else
Will SKorean immigrants extol the west if and when the west starts going down the drain?
[right][snapback]72639[/snapback][/right]
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Shambhu,
It is a bit of over-simplification to blame all bad things on lies being perpetuated and smugness etc. I dont think IM have the self-realization to see islam as having brought good things to india and therefore is a valid way of life. Allah has told them that all the world's land and world's women belong to muslims and kafirs are just using their resources and muslims can use any means to take back what is rightfully theirs.
All terrorism is not islam. I believe terrorism comes from divine rights and sense of entitlement. There are three ideologies in the world today that give these rights and entitlements: Islam, Christianity and Communism. In the last 60 years, you can probably add western imperialism, which does stem from christianity, to this list. If you see all terrorist related instances will be associated with one of these 4 ideologies, because these ideologies are concerned only about results/ends and not the means. Can you lie/cheat/kill to achieve your goals? Sure, Islam says you can, Christianity says you are only a confessional away from purity, communism says "what? Those are only strategies" and western imperialism has been long using covert operations that include assasinations and other psy-ops.
So, where does this leave us? Before we can tell IM that they are wrong, it is important to get hindus on board. Achieve this should be our first priority.