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#114 and the rest:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Sagarika "where's my brain" Gozer said:
‘monkey’, the slur Harbhajan allegedly used against Symonds.
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teasing Australian all-rounder Andrew Symonds with monkey chants prove that we are racist or is it just the misbehavior of a few Indians? Are Indians unaware of their internal racist bias?
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->What? So Indians calling people Monkey is racism now? <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> Such a looney statement says more about the racism that's growing live-and-well in Sagarika's mind than it does about Indians. I agree that in western countries of colonial times they liked to call us and Africans and others of the brown scale monkeys or gorillas or whatever. That was indeed racist, but monkey in the Indian (and as I will show further down, in Japanese) context does not have anything to do with the christoracist theories of "evolved/superior us vs unevolved/inferior them".

Examples off the top of my head:
(1) Whenever I used to do clever acrobatics, my dad called me "little monkey" if he was amazed at my 'skill' (relative skill of course, it ain't going to make it into the olympics) or "bad/naughty monkey" to tell me off if he thought I was doing something dangerous. My mum still uses that and other cuddly animal terms when I misbehave.
And I have heard the neighbours in Chennai yell the same at their kids when one of their kids got hurt from doing the usual dangerous things like climbing on terrace ledges.
Neither my mum nor dad nor neighbours were 'racist' in calling us monkeys.
An uncle angrily pointed on TV and called a politician monkey as well. So yes, it can be used as a term for abuse (though 'little monkey' from my mum and dad is a term of endearment) but it's not racism. I speak from the Thamizh context, as I don't know Punjabi which is probably Harbajan Singh's language (since he's a Sikh and all). But him being an Indian and moreover from a Dharmic background too, I will extend him the benefit of the doubt.

Not expecting any honesty from liar Sagarika Lozer, but other pseculars may yet live and learn.

(2) Then there's the Japanese context: see famed Akira Kurosawa's historical/period film Kagemusha. Within the first 25 minutes (possibly within the first 15 mins) you will come to this scene:
In a fit of frustration, one of the chief retainers of Lord Shingen calls his Lord a "mountain monkey" followed by something like a 'Go back to your forest' or similar. (Fortunately the Lord respects the old man and takes it with a smile in spite of the abuse.) Again, it's a term of abuse. But just as it was in the Indian context, it isn't racism - because a Japanese person used the term on fellow-Japanese just like Indians have used it on our own ethnicity (Indian). Whereas 'monkey' in christocolonial times was used by the christians from Europe for other people.

And anyone who wants to now say it's casteism: well it isn't where I come from because I am my parents' kid and my neighbours kids are the offspring of my neighbours. So where caste is concerned the 'abusees' are of the same 'caste' as those who yelled the 'abuse'.
And in the Japanese film, Lord Shingen is the Lord of 25,000 Samurai and is of the Samurai lineage himself, which is the highest caste in Japan. And that old retainer was a Samurai too. So there's no casteism there either.
Monkey in the Indian and Japanese contexts is a term of abuse people had first used to abuse people of the same ethnicity, nationality (and 'caste').

That proves Sagarika Lozer is a loser and should stop making a fool of itself by lying so pathetically. And so should the likes of Ponting and whatever other cricket persons were involved. 'Monkey' may be a racist term in Australian parlance considering their uproar (mayhap christians there feel it getting a bit hot for them: they probably used it in an actually racist way not too long ago), but it ain't in TN (and probably rest of India) or in Japan. So <i>they can't call us monkeys and avoid a charge of racism</i>. But we <i>can</i> call anyone monkeys because it doesn't have the same connotations for us as it does for them, just like they can call anyone b*st*rds which for them is a general term of abuse as it is amongst any English-speaking population.

<b>Meanwhile why doesn't anyone point out the fact that Arnold Schwarzenegger has a VERY racist surname: Black Negro is the approximate meaning of his surname (while the last word's actual translation is far worse than that).</b> Where is Kanker Ilaiah and Sagarika Lozer and the christo brigade that always pretends to stand up for "human rights" on that one, eh? In fact, real anti-racists and anti-apartheid/anti-segregation/anti-slavery people should feel self-loathing everytime they pronounce Ahnuld's surname. How can Americans have let him keep that name when voting him in as governor of so-and-so in the US, I'd like to know? Illiteracy in German ain't no excuse, because that one is easily worked out.
I'm not insisting people should change old names like Arnold's, but let's be fair - his is demonstrably racist!
(For those wondering how an Austrian(?) like Arnold came by such a surname, well I'm guessing it's probably similar to how much of the Dutch population got their oft-ridiculous names like "De Dood" = "The Death" or "Geboren-in-'t-Gras" = "Born-in-The-Grass"; and oh yeah, there's the surname that translates to the less-respectable version for "prostitute".
In NL the cause was that during a census some centuries ago, everyone in the Low Lands needed surnames all of a sudden. They didn't at all take the event seriously though, and many came up with nonsensical and even sarcastic surnames. But the census was in full earnest and the names were stuck and they weren't allowed to change it. Many a later generation has had to live with the embarassment, in some cases so bad that I will not repeat/translate their names here.)


#115:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Wow indians are racist for animals as well<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ya, they pray white elephant Ganesha not black. <!--emo&Big Grin--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Mudy, (this is from my experience) I've only seen one depiction of Ganapathi as white so far in my life. (Other than white marble vigrahams, but that's negated by a larger number of the traditional black-stone vigrahams in Hindu temples.) Otherwise, most generally I've seen Ganesha as soft orange to very bright orange - a Sindhoora colour.
More proof that we're colour-mad; and that has nothing to do with racism.
(I got ya, that makes us worse than racist: look how Ganapathi isn't even all-human. Besides, a Sindhoora colour isn't even represented amongst us bipedal-talking-primates-with-opposable-thumbs! Lozer-Logic dictates that this is even worse than being racist and casteist! Sagarika will now show how Ganapathi proves the evil Hindus' bias against Hooomans <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> )

#116
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->wtf?

this fool seems to have gone senile or color blind, cows are white, then wat color is this:

http://www.tractorland.co.uk/UserFiles/image/cow.jpg

i don't know how morons like this get invited.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Nice picture, Bharatvarsha. I like the animal (though it may look intimidating up close and personal).
But since that's the UK, maybe Sagarika the Lozer wants to hide behind some lame excuse like "Indians or Hindus won't have anything but white cows". In that case: Mwahahahahaha. My paternal grandparents had lots of cows. And quite a number among them were dark (predictable number as per normal distribution). For instance, there was Aishwarya, which had a common Indian cow colouring: mostly filled with dark brown and black patches with a few smaller patches of red brown and some tiny spots of white. Yes, it was named after MahaLakshmi. Oooh, that proves it for SagarikaTheLozer, when even "evil" Brahmanas were "so racist" they named mostly-dark-brown/black cow after Lakshmi!
(And did I tell you that Aishwarya had one calf of the same colouring? That's two brown cows in "racist casteist" Hindooooostan!)

Sagarika can't spell its own name: Lozer should have been the first word it learned.

#118:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->And you'll probabily ask he as to why Hindus do revere buffalo who's dear to Lord Yama<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Viren is right. It is well-known to all Indians, except christoislamicommuniterrorists of course, that Dharmaraja Yama's Vahanam is a Buffalo. All animals are sacred to Hindu Gods, and therefore to Hindus.
But christo-educated lozers don't know that. They think the world is flat and believe in St Valentine (while even the catholic church has admitted he's a fable) and think that jeebus was a great teacher when he was in fact a non-existent character who wasn't even allowed to properly regurgitate the pre-existing teachings put into his mouth - it came out so confused that what poured forth was nonsense.


#113:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Oohhhhhhhhhhhh.... how many native indeginous aborginies playing for AuSS team? Can they even afford TVs or radios to watch Pointing and co. cheat?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Until the 1960s (or was it the 1950s?) the christo Aussies shot the Australian Aboriginals. Often dead. It was a sport.
So they can stop trying to obscure christo blame. The real inhabitants of Australia know full well where the racism comes from. That's right: from christianism.
And aren't the christoterrorists like Steve Waugh or whoever busy kidnapping Australian Aboriginal children from their parents to give to christo-European settlers? That's what all the churches and Salvation Army did in Australia - IIRC the victims are called the Stolen Generation.
Oh wait, Steve Waugh or was it his brother has transferred their christoterrorism to India. Last I heard he set up some christian mission there to save us heathens. Stolen Generation of Hindus or - equally-likely - sexually abused kids will be the outcome. 'Stay away from christos=christoterrorists' is a very good rule of thumb in my book.

Here, I found it:
http://www.eco-action.org/dt/abor.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In Australia we have had a meeting of great white minds in the form of our Highest Court, which decided (after 200 years of not noticing the inhuman sufferings of Aborigines) that before the British soldiers arrived in 1788 with a mass of petty convicts to make us part of the British Empire, there were PEOPLE living here. Those people were a race of intelligent humans with black skins -Aborigines- who had resided here for a known 60000 years.

What followed was a mass murder of those residents, especially by white police, graziers, army and business-men. Many were killed in weekly turkey shoots for sport, particularly if they were brave enough to defend their families. This continued till even 1950. Since then, our racist 'Police' have continued with normal murders, generally in secret deaths in custody, but the secrecy has now been exposed into common-knowledge. After so many years of survival on this harsh continent, no genes had developed to make Blacks immune from diseases like measles and also alcohol poisoning. Black people cannot absorb alcohol. Thus our jails have a very large percentage of Aborigines, mainly for being drunk and disorderly, insulting the police, swearing, fighting while intoxicated and generally being unable to understand white-man's laws.

The police preferred method is to hang Blacks with football sox or strips of blankets and claim that they had suicided while drunk. Commonsense suggests that two men must have lifted the victim and arranged the other details. The evidence has been clear that tribal people must not be separated from their culture and family members. It is imperative that they not be jailed for minor offences, rather taken to their families and elders to be judged by Aborigine Laws, or, for drunkenness, driven a few miles out of town and left under a tree to sober-up to find their way home next day. Or the police could treat them like drunk white politicians and deliver them home? Some States have laws forbidding whites to sell liquor to them, but the whites have their own laws including making profits from the delivery of booze to an arranged transfer area.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Grand old christianism lies in wait for Indian converts too. More children for christoterrorists to poach on. Same christian problems amongst all people enslaved by christianism; and worse awaits those that resist conversion: the converts will gang up with the converters to kill the inconvertibles. Being betrayed by your own kind is the worst possible thing, but converts are so gullible. They imagine the non-existent jeebus will save them from the invented hell and will therefore commit terrorism for this non-materialising carrot.

archives.<b>cnn</b>.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/auspac/11/22/australia.aborigine/index.html via http://freetruth.50webs.org/D3.htm#Australia
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->During colonization Aborigines were hunted, killed and driven from their lands by European settlers.

As recently as the 1970s officials were still taking Aborigine children from their families and placing them in orphanages, often run by <b>churches</b>, in a now discredited assimilation program.

The tens of thousands of people affected have become known as the "stolen generations."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<i>(Needless to say, this post doesn't mean I approve of people calling others names or swearing at them.
Unless I do it of course <!--emo&Wink--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> Reserving the right and all...)</i>

<b>ADDED:</b> I'd like the Indian crowds to pick on the rest of the Australian team <!--emo&Big Grin--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> instead of Symonds, particularly the christoterrorist Waugh (if he's still in cricket-existence).
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