<!--QuoteBegin-Viren+Apr 1 2007, 08:47 AM-->QUOTE(Viren @ Apr 1 2007, 08:47 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->It's official now:
Pope: Hell 'really exists'
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Pope Benedict XVI says Hell -- despite being typically overlooked in today's society -- "really exists and is eternal."</b>
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]66416[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Don't you just love Ratty and JPII? Everything Angelo Roncalli did is now out the window. (He was pope John the 23rd I think, and the only one I ever liked, but that was long ago. But even he had some nasty skeletons in his closet.
<b>EDIT:</b> Yupp, look for 'Roncalli' on this page http://freetruth.50webs.org/D1.htm ).
Roncalli threw out exorcism, basically implying that it was all nonsense. The Church had no more exorcists for a long time. Then came JPII and he reintroduced exorcism. Roncalli was also the one I think who indicated that hell was just an allegory. And here comes Ratty with 'Be afraid. Hell is real. You heretics and heathens will buuuuuuuuuurn. Forevahhhhh.'
Roncalli was also the one that took the step towards proclaiming that there <i>might</i> be salvation outside the church... maybe even outside christianity (gasp!) with the amendments in the Vatican II document/discourse.
Then JPII had Ratty draw up Dominus Iesus where this was repudiated, returning the church to the pre-Roncalli state.
I knew many in the church didn't and don't like Roncalli and were glad when he died and his term was finally over - he <i>was</i> a rather unorthodox (to say the least), uber-liberal pope in many respects. But to make it as if he never existed by undoing all his reforms.... that's plain offensive. They're treating him like he never existed, or even as if he were one of the heretic popes. I wouldn't be surprised if, as happened to heretic popes before him, a later pope were to order his body dug up and burnt for heresy.
Shame, he was popular in my kindy school (not India). In my view, he was really the best pope the church has offered, unless one counts a pope Celestine I think it was, who was soooo goody-two-shoes (frugal, non-extravagant, celibate, non-autocratic, so unpopish that he wasn't greedy and wouldn't steal others' lands or wealth) that his bishops and cardinals and priests conspired to do him in. They imprisoned him and then stabbed or poisoned him. He was a bad pope according to them. Yeah, such a one makes a bad christian in general.
Pope: Hell 'really exists'
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Pope Benedict XVI says Hell -- despite being typically overlooked in today's society -- "really exists and is eternal."</b>
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]66416[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Don't you just love Ratty and JPII? Everything Angelo Roncalli did is now out the window. (He was pope John the 23rd I think, and the only one I ever liked, but that was long ago. But even he had some nasty skeletons in his closet.
<b>EDIT:</b> Yupp, look for 'Roncalli' on this page http://freetruth.50webs.org/D1.htm ).
Roncalli threw out exorcism, basically implying that it was all nonsense. The Church had no more exorcists for a long time. Then came JPII and he reintroduced exorcism. Roncalli was also the one I think who indicated that hell was just an allegory. And here comes Ratty with 'Be afraid. Hell is real. You heretics and heathens will buuuuuuuuuurn. Forevahhhhh.'
Roncalli was also the one that took the step towards proclaiming that there <i>might</i> be salvation outside the church... maybe even outside christianity (gasp!) with the amendments in the Vatican II document/discourse.
Then JPII had Ratty draw up Dominus Iesus where this was repudiated, returning the church to the pre-Roncalli state.
I knew many in the church didn't and don't like Roncalli and were glad when he died and his term was finally over - he <i>was</i> a rather unorthodox (to say the least), uber-liberal pope in many respects. But to make it as if he never existed by undoing all his reforms.... that's plain offensive. They're treating him like he never existed, or even as if he were one of the heretic popes. I wouldn't be surprised if, as happened to heretic popes before him, a later pope were to order his body dug up and burnt for heresy.
Shame, he was popular in my kindy school (not India). In my view, he was really the best pope the church has offered, unless one counts a pope Celestine I think it was, who was soooo goody-two-shoes (frugal, non-extravagant, celibate, non-autocratic, so unpopish that he wasn't greedy and wouldn't steal others' lands or wealth) that his bishops and cardinals and priests conspired to do him in. They imprisoned him and then stabbed or poisoned him. He was a bad pope according to them. Yeah, such a one makes a bad christian in general.