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Historicity Of Jesus
OK, I will put something together. This is the right time for us.

As has been said before, Christianity has pretensions towards organicity as if it adds to universal cultural diversity, when the exact opposite is true. This is the exact lie which needs to exposed if Christianity is to be countered. Christianity is artificial because it replicates the neurosis of its origin as a hoax and dark, comedic satire of the agony-filled jewish experience.

Atwill has garnered the data points. But I believe that the real significance of the data points can only be explicated by people like us: Hitchens, Acharya S., and Robert Price -type western liberal atheists (who are the main JC antagonists today) are heavily invested in continuing an organic narrative for western civilization, one that was unjustly robbed by the semetics; thus their avaricious support for the MJ thesis and even for liberal witzelian type adventures. Atwill offers a way out with his FJ emphasis. Why did FJ develop in that society? There must already have been some such necessitations in W society. this is where Prof. Balagangadhara comes in with his theory of normative versus non-normative ethics. I may be presumptuous to be bandying abt balagangadhara's theory so. certain inconsequential modifications are required. Atwill's unsatisfactory answer is to simply subsume FJ along with the entire gamut of Roman dramatic satire.

At first I thought that Atwill was being uncharitable by insisting upon the Conspiracy and intertextual element rather than a more organic and contextual development (the word conspiracy is even found in the title of CM). But the data points all indeed reinforce his conspiratorial interpretation of the manufacture of a buffoonish Messiah, the exact opposite of the Kalki type Messiah predicted by Jewish tradition. Even Elst makes the interpretation that the passion narrative (eg Christ's entry on a donkey) is absurd.

Titus' mistress is the part jewish Herodian Bernice who is derided for being an oriental harlot unworthy of the caesar. We have here the Whore of Babylon trope found in Revelation as well as the prototype for the usual western fetishization of Asia. We will need to bring in Said and his orientalism thesis.

Also we will need a thorough understanding Jewsih/Cannanite and Phoenican Paganism which was indeed flourishing well into the 2nd century AD.

The thesis even explains pro-western orientation of Lebanese christians.


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